Can we bring "Neighbours" back?

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Please bring back Neighbours back, it was one of the best ways to find people who had similar interests of music and therefore discover new music through them!
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Bound2Fate

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Absolutely agree.  This is one of the features I miss most.
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can we get any word on this? one of the most essential functions on the site and they've said nothing about it
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Official Response
It will be added back in a future release
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jusO6

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Okay. So then can we mark this thread as "acknowledged" to save a lot of stress?
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il me semble qu'il s'écoule beaucoup d'années entre les versions
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Yer_Ropes

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Il ne semble pas, c'est la réalité ! Ils ne savent plus où ils en sont.
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how vague, I bet cbs pulls the plug on last.fm, now that they've taken away all the functionality.  The future release will be a 404 or one of those parked domain ads.
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That's up to the product and development teams to decide.  They're currently prioritising work in themes -- e.g. events, images, library, subscriptions, etc; so from their perspective it makes sense to tackle neighbours alongside other social and community features of the site.  I'm not able to speculate on when exactly that work will be started (it represents a lot of work that needs to be broken down), but I want to at least reiterate that we haven't forgotten how important this is to everyone -- I certainly want it see it back on the site, sooner rather than later. When we have more information on this, we'll post it.
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i could be wrong here but aren't social and community features one of the most important parts of a social network? shouldn't they be a priority? what good are subscriptions on a site that has cut off or twitterfeid (followers instead of friends) the most basic social features? 
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By the way, finding people with similar musical taste, even per region, is still possible with the external app Tastebuds.fm based on Last.fm profiles and your top artists, same for imported Facebook and Spotify profiles, see the settings page. Besides listing and using your favorite artists for finding other people you can also import your upcoming Last.fm events, so it's a good alternative in the meantime. The default setting is finding users of the opposite sex, but you can change that if you are not interested in dating people there. Last but not least you can even use your Last.fm username to login to Tastebuds.fm if you don't want to use your Facebook login or another email address and password. Your username is not announced on your profile as being your Last.fm username though, so you would have to mention that in your About Me.
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It's all a lie.
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"In a future release" ... Hm ... In years for sure, not even weeks or months ! 
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What I understand they are looking at second quarter for many of the social side of things. being journals, neighbours,and groups. more likely to be the very first three to come back.  I read about this in the most unusual place. In a comment box regarding playground and labs. Also you find out why the huge overhaul to LFM. having to do with Bloat. The comment was made by staff member.  
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I don't think last.fm has any real use for me without the neighbours feature... just so you know admin
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Алекс Хьюз

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LastFM is now completely useless, you can't listen to music on it and there is no neighbours feature. TIme to move to something useful.
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Neighbours radio was easily the best station for me... must better than recommendations or mix
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any update on this guys or gals?
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'Answered'. This is obviously not accurate at all, but as far as I can tell from this forum, the life of a problem on getsatisfaction is Answered (we see your complaint) -> Under Consideration (we are not sure if this is a problem) -> Acknowledged (we have acknowledged the problem) -> Planned (we plan to fix this problem some time later) -> In Progress (we are currently fixing the problem) -> Solved (problem is now solved). Long ways to go yet.
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The range of statuses available depends on whether you're reporting a problem (Acknowledged / Not a problem / In Progress / Solved), asking a question (Answered / Doesn't need an answer), or posting an idea or feature request (Planned / Not Planned / Under Consideration / In Progress / Implemented).  The original question Curt asked was "Are neighbours coming back?" and the answer was simply yes, hence this question was marked "Answered" so that other users with the same question could quickly find the answer.  

Obviously you can phrase almost anything as a problem, but that's not intention here, as we tend to regard problems as bugs or issues with the existing site functionality, not the absence of functionality itself.  Acknowledged, then, means it's a genuine issue, we can reproduce it, and it's been added to the backlog to be prioritised against other bugs.  Regarding Ideas, 'Planned' means we have written tickets for the feature and they exist in the backlog to be prioritised against other product work. 'Under consideration' means exactly that --  it's a good idea in principal, but it depends on factors, such as how complicated it is, how much time it would take to build, does it fall into scope, how much demand there is for it, and so on. To illustrate, over time changing your username has moved from something that was not planned at all (due to technical constraints), to something we've been considering (due to user demand), and it's now something we're planning to do (we removed the technical constraint).
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Thanks for the response Jon, I see that things are a bit more clear under the surface.
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Neighbors still missing 5 months gone by since OP asked I miss it too as well as a ton of other missing functions :/
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Sachin Mangal - What does it mean "in a future release"- 6 months have passed. When will you bring back the neighbors?
The taste compatibility and matching with people based on that was a crucial option in last.fm. And we need it ASAP :)
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Well, if you simply reference Last.fm's proposed high-level timeline of development...wait, that isn't around.  Hrm.  I suppose you could derive what level of importance Last.fm ascribes to the 'Neighbors' functionality by looking at their stated purpose and vision behind this releasebeta...huh, can't really find that either.

Looking at their current progress since April 2015, we can see that Last.fm is primarily focused on their new features of...huh, what exactly are the new features of functionality with this releasebeta?

Peeps at Last.fm:
Look - I get it guys.  Documentation is a pain in the rear.  It sucks, no one wants to do it, it really does feel like the function of the product is top priority...
...see, function of the product is not top priority.  Utility is top priority.  Yes, homies, function is indeed a significant component of utility.  But do you know what else is a significant component of utility?  An informed, compliant, and at least marginally satisfied user base.  Otherwise, what use is your product?  Seriously - you are dependent on having users.  From both a profit and a relevance standpoint.

So yeah I get the whole needing to revamp to attract more users - really, guys, I get that.  No, I don't get how this particularly poor beta release got to where it's got, but frankly, whatever.  Is what it is.  I no more assume malicious intent than I would for anything of which I'm unawares pertinent details of.  And it's kinda moot at this point anyway (but honestly, I cannot wait to read the case study that comes outta this one - for realsies).

Here's my main point: you are out of balance; there is too much effort expended on function in relation to how much effort is expended on communication of relevant information to the users.  On timescales of the order of weeks, it is understandable and reasonable to focus solely on function - that's fine, the users will kinda be in the dark but quite soon their ignorance will be alleviated with the actual roll-out of those functions.

But guys...it's quite clear this isn't a "and the functionality you previously had prior to this beta release (and subsequent destruction of the release candidate release or release release) will be restored in a few weeks" situation.  This is, like, many months.  How many?  I dunno - do you?

Users are confused and irritable, and are starting to more and more wonder "just how am I supposed to use this site anyway?"

And then no one will be happy.

Just some thoughts.
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I've read from some staff that they're hoping neighbours will return "before summer". It's a pretty pathetic timeline considering it's been six months so you probably shouldn't get your hopes up too high.

I'm trying to find the post that says this but this site doesn't make searching very easy. Only the first like, 3 results, for single keywords are relevant, the rest are useless. Forget about multiple keywords. :/

EDIT:
https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/website-update-11th-february?topic-reply-list%5Bsettings%5...
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As Jon said in other forum, we are looking at Q2 for working on neighbours. Hopefully before summer. Will update this thread once we have more information.
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@kfcexorcism, @shelly, that was just a confirmation that this feature will be added back to the new site. This time we have some rough idea about when we will get to work on this feature.
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"Looking", as in, it's pencilled in for Q2, but the catalogue work is a big task and there's always a risk of it taking longer to complete than anticipated -- if so, that'll have a knock on effect on the schedule.
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but the catalogue work is a big task
With the risk of repeating myself, please understand that the normal way of programming anything (website, application etc) is that you have a team that actually programs new stuff and a different team that will use this new stuff and fill it with the data (the catalogue); the catalogue work SHOULD NOT delay the (re)implementation of features.
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I think Q2 starts in April.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quarter.asp

Such a clusterfuck.
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Can't you bring back the neighbours lists of the old Last.fm until you've developed the new one? Same for the other missing features.
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I remember that, the following cut to streaming and that move made little sense as it really wasn't given a chance. There has not been a complete update yet and neighbors is wishful thinking anytime soon.

Honestly I'd bet money it won't happen.

Repeating a growing number, this anti-social environment is a product of no communication. Additionally, erasing comments is fighting fire with fire.
It is a shame, this site was so cool just a few years ago :(
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last.fm is now defunct, I'm off... bye
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Neighbours / Neighbors - coming back?.

Hello!

You took away the Neighbours feature (which my favourite feature and helped me discover a massive amount of NEW MUSIC) about 7 months ago with the re-design.

It was promised to come back, but nothing yet?

Any news much appreciated.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Neighbors.

WHERE!? The old LastFM website is 10000 times better than this beta... how many years you need guys to finish it?

For me the most cool thing are the neighbors and meet people who like the same music than me...

So my idea... is put FOCUS on a new Neighbors page... pls
Cmon... thats annoying and BAD.
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Bump.
It's been 7 months since "It will be added back in a future release" and still nothing. This is one of the most important features that this site had and you completely ignoring it. The hell?
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Aitor Vázquez Otero

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Yeah... they insult us liying.
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bump - when exactly is this feature coming back ?
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Stian

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"It will be added back in a future release", he said, eight months ago.
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I can't wait for the one year anniversary of this question.
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Personally I recommend boycotting the site until these essential elements are brought back... 
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Aitor Vázquez Otero

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+1
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Go ahead, but where will you get the statistics of your listening behaviour?
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thats the urgent problem why i don't want to delete my account....
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Yeah I can understand your perspectives, it sucks if you've been with the site for year's and you've built up all this data about your scrobbles. 

Personally I was never really bothered about that side of the site and had no issues with getting rid of the data. I was always far more interested in the social networking part of the site anyway, I mean if you listen to pretty obscure music then it's a great way to interact with other people who have similar tastes than you. Plus neighbour radio was awesome and a great way of discovering new music. Yeah I know some people had problems with neighbours and I'm not claiming it or the community was perfect but for me it was by far the coolest part of Last FM. But if you're here because you want to keep a record of your listening behaviour that's fair enough, don't boycott the site. On the other hand if you really want to send a strong message to the people who run this thing that by taking away the community was an appalling mistake I think those kind of sacrifices need to made. I just don't get what's so fantastic about keeping records of what you listen to anyway, but that's cool I'm not trying to be a dick about this, I'm not trying to force anyone to do something they don't want to, at the end of the it's totally up to you. This isn't the first site Iv'e been a part of where the community side of it was taken away, it's horrible to see it happen again. 
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The reworking of the Last.fm site is not just like putting new paint on the house, it's like building an entirely new house because the old house was condemned while people complain that the colour of the curtains is not exactly the same shade.
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All neighbours did was point you to another user that had similar tastes to you, all of this information is already available so it should not take 8 months to code an interface out of it. It was a super important part of the social network. I do mainly use the site for metrics but the only reason I actually went on the site was for neighbours. It just shows that they are totally ignorant of what the users actually want. 

I could not believe that they removed such a unique feature. It is a shame. There is no valid reason to defend such a silly decision. They really shot themselves in the foot and it seems at this point they are choosing to ignore the gangreen that has set in.

I mean you can see when you look at someone elses page what your music match is like. To code in something that picks out users with super or better match or something similar would not take 8 months unless you are totally incompetent or ignoring the issue and at this point it is one or the other.

I mean you filter by Country, match type (superor whatever) , age - whatever you want. Not hard at all in fact all it requires is some super basic database queries. The metrics are there like I said. 
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@Gavin Duncan: Well, obviously the Last.fm developers thought it was more important to get a working catalogue in place than to implement neighbours. When work on it is finished (it's in beta now) they can take care of other things.

@mo' twinkies: It's not supposed to be impressive, it's supposed to explain the facts.
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Just to reiterate what svilcans said, most of our focus is on shipping out the catalogue first. Once that is finished then we will look at other things.

Like most of you, neighbours is my favourite feature as well and I can't wait to see it on the beta site.
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Thank you Sachin (you know we are right though ;)
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@Svilcans

Well you're right about Last FM being condemned, that's for sure. 

@ Sachin 

That's fine, I just won't bother with the site until things have changed for the better and neighbours have been brought back. will that be another 9 months then? Sounds like it...
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It's getting towards the end of Q2....
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the people have spoken, bring neighbors back, 10 months of bs, bring neighbors back!
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Like Jon wrote above "I certainly want it see it back on the site, sooner rather than later. When we have more information on this, we'll post it."
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"Q-2 will end next week"

Uh, no it doesn't. :)
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Personally, I don't understand what Last.fm's goals are.  I honestly haven't the slightest clue what they are actually beta testing.  I mean, I know it's stuff like "the look and feel of the website" and "the underlying catalog engine," but, like, you know how it's pretty well understood that slashdot.org exists to provided news for nerds, stuff that matters?  Or how Facebook exists to provide a centralized communication network with acquaintances, friends, and enemies?

That's what I'm missing from Last.fm.  I don't know what Last.fm is trying to be.  Is it a social music site?  Is it a data logger?  A place to discover new music?  A place to listen to new music?  A place to keep track of global music trends?  A place to get music news?

All I get is that Last.fm is in some way wanting to be related to music.  But I honestly, truly, genuinely, don't have a clue as to what the basic, fundamental goals are of these beta launches.  I haven't a clue what they're working towards.

I keep hoping for just like a summary blogpost of some kind - you know, a retrospective, some discourse on what's currently going on, and what Last.fm thinks is going to go on.

And, again, honestly, something like that has been requested by various people on this Getsatisfaction site for many, many months.
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The catalogue has been the main focus for the last few months and the work has overrun, but we still intend to work on social features next (some of which has already started and you will see soon), including neighbours.
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Jon, I'm guessing that you can't actually disclose this, and it's really just a curiosity, but I really do want to know:
Did Last.fm know they were going to do a catalogue thingie back in April 2015?  August 2015?

It's just that, based on the things staff has been saying about the importance of the catalogue update...look, you understand why, from a development and a timing standpoint, all of this looks incredibly suspicious, right?  I mean, was there an actual plan behind all of this?  Is there a plan now?
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"Q-2 will end next week" - Uh, no it doesn't. :)
Maybe in French Canada it does. ;-)
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+1,000! Any news here @Sachin Mangal?
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Official Response
We have started planning the work needs to be done for this. However, as Jon mentioned earlier catalogue work has dragged a bit so our priority will be to finish that first.
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I'm closing this thread as there's nothing further to discuss right now.  We expect to reimplement neighbours in a couple of months time, after the catalogue work goes live.  Thank you for your patience in the meantime.

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