Change artist "Red Velvet" to "레드벨벳" and "T-ARA" to 티아라

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hello, these artists will be releasing a new album soon: http://www.last.fm/music/Red+Velvet http://www.last.fm/music/T-ARA and his actual page should be http://www.last.fm/music/레드벨벳 and http://www.last.fm/music/티아라. Artists like GFRIEND and Girls' Generation get redirected to their correct Hangul names too, so please!!
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T-ARA is the correct tag. The hangul one is wrong and if anything it should correct to T-ARA. T-ARA is plastered all over their albums and logo. They also say it countless times in their songs. Red Velvet is also the correct tag. Not every k-pop group is supposed to be tagged in hangul. G-Friend and SNSD are in hangul because those are the correct tags.

https://musicbrainz.org/artist/4f0cb3...
https://musicbrainz.org/artist/4103d0...

There was a recent post where the devs said this kind of thing should auto correct in the near future.
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I truly hope the new catalogue does combines scrobbles for the English and Hangul spellings of artists into one count.

As for this comment:
The hangul one is wrong... [it] is plastered all over their albums and logo.They also say it countless times in their songs.
You use this as justification for T-ARA and then say Girls' Generation should be in Hangul, even though using your reasoning the English spelling should be the primary account for Girls' Generation.

There's also another related problem with k-pop where (what I suspect is mainly the Korean) fans take song names too literally on artwork. By that I mean, when a song has an English title and it appears in all-caps they insist this is how it should look even though it looks/is wrong from a native English-speaking person's perspective. Hopefully English and Hangul spelling of tracks will also be combined under the new catalogue.
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No, the correct tags are 레드벨벳 and 티아라. This is what is used on Melon, and what is used on Korean music shows. Musicbrainz is not a valid source for these artists. There are groups like AOA and EXID that use the English name, but these are not one of them. 

EVERY single kpop group uses the English name for their logo. Your weird justification makes no sense. 
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EVERY single kpop group uses the English name for their logo.
The "weird justification" is because it's easily understood by the international community. Case in point, you guys keep referencing Melon here - a Korean music site - rather than 멜론.

This is what is used on Melon, and what is used on Korean music shows. Musicbrainz is not a valid source for these artists
Should we never translate anything? This is after all an international site that was created in England, and where most people converse in English.

FWIW, I actually have the Hangul tags in my iTunes library for the sake of scrobbling accuracy, but it would make my life a lot easier if the English could be used, since I don't have a Korean keyboard or understand Korean myself.

If Last FM could collate English and Korean variations, it would settle all these issues over what is deemed "correct".
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Hmm, no. It should be the opposite. 레드벨벳 needs to be merged into Red Velvet and 티아라 into T-ARA. GFRIEND and Girls' Generation gets redirected to the hangul tags because their names are pronounced in korean, Red Velvet and T-ARA are pronounced in english and there are no other artists with that same name.
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GFRIEND and Girls' Generation gets redirected to the hangul tags because their names are pronounced in korean

I can't speak for GFRIEND as I don't listen to them, but GG often reference themselves in English within their own songs - they even say the abbreviated English of "GG" in The Boys.

I think what we need is for these artists to scrobble to the same page but maybe utilise a user's home country to decide how it's listed in their library. Or perhaps make it a toggleable option...
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I know, but their group name is pronounced as Sonyeo Sidae, it's not an english name, Girls' Generation is just how they're known internationally
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most kpop group names are pronounced in Korean. the girls always pronounce their name as 'ledeu belbet". And they are labeled as 레드벨벳 on MelOn, a valid source.
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We're going to end up talking in circles here.

The point is, Last FM's new music catalogue needs to have a unique identifier for each artist that can have its scrobbles incremented by a small group of name variations - this would allow for international spelling variations that K-pop (both artist and track names) in particular seems to suffer from, as well as artists who occasionally change their name (dropping surnames, etc).

I truly hope, if nothing else, that this new catalogue handles this well.
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This comes down to user preference. Some (esp. international) users prefer the English characters for convenience because it is harder for them to search/type in hangul.

It's better to think of this task as "entity resolution" rather than "redirection." The catalogue need only learn that 레드벨벳 and Red Velvet refer to the same entity. Done.
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Kinda what I said above ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄
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What about EXO? Merge EXO-K and EXO-M into Exo tag and make it look like "EXO"
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omg
just use the tags you like
i don't wanna Exo or EXO in my library because i used to have EXO-K/M
and if my hangul tags (for red velvet, t-ara or others) ever change to their English ones... i'm out
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I have EXO-K and EXO-M, but I think it would be better to have just one EXO.

I'm not a tag nazi, but woudn't it just be better if there was just one tag for an artist to merge all scrobbles and not waste them? 
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No, EXO-K, EXO-M and EXO are three different things. EXO-K and EXO-M are sub-units of EXO, they don't have the same releases, nor the same members. Leave it alone.