We users can add covers to albums. Please release a tool so we can do the same to the songs.

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What do you mean? Songs don't have covers, they are fetched from albums that do.

For example, Too Good at Goodbyes by Sam Smith isn't available in any album on Last.fm yet, so it doesn't show a cover (if that's what you mean):
https://www.last.fm/pt/music/Sam+Smith/_/Too+Good+at+Goodbyes
But Stay with Me is included in many albums, the cover shown for the page is from the main album and can't be changed, unless the cover for that specific album is changed.
https://www.last.fm/pt/music/Sam+Smith/_/Stay+with+Me

Not sure what you're expecting them to do about it though. If it's a visual thing, I'd just rather have the website showing the album cover that's linked to the album we're listening to, like it used to be before...
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Perhaps he's talking about single covers? That would be a good idea. A single cover, when available, would then supersede an album cover. Also, not all scrobbles have an album name attached to them so there's no album cover to fall back to.
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Perhaps he's talking about single covers? That would be a good idea. A single cover, when available, would then supersede an album cover.
This all falls under your meta data being correct, though. A single cover should only show if you're scrobbling from the single, rather than album release.
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There are one track releases on bandcamp with their own cover artwork which differs from the single cover art which has been released later in this case. I think if artists choose to give their tracks individual covers, it makes sense to have the option to upload them.
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If it is a single track release with cover artwork, the "album title" for that track is the title of the single, therefore you can upload an album cover for that single the same way you would upload a cover for an album (or EP).
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I don't think that releasing a single song is the same as releasing a complete single. But if you define it that way, you could of course use the song title of an independent song for the album tag and upload the track cover as album cover, even if there is neither album nor a full official single release.
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I don't think that releasing a single song is the same as releasing a complete single.
I really don't understand the distinction you're making here.

If a song is given a distinct release page - and individual artwork, no less - like the artist you've linked above has done then I don't see how that isn't a single.
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I run an internet radio station and get my music from a service.  The filename doesn't always match up exactly to Last.fm and so it doesn't return metadata. I scrob but it doesn't always help.  Here's some examples.
Ray Anthony and PowerSlyde - Mr. Sauce. Is it and or &? Period or .?

Marcus Anderson Feat. Adam Hawley - Backseat Drivers It only Features on one song so should this be in the artist field? Is it Backseat driver Feat Adam? Is Adam such a backseat driver?

If you do an artist search on Ray Anthony and Powerslyde there are 3 artists listing and 5 albums (they only have 1). I was about to add art to all of them but held off for this discussion.

I see a solution in one of two ways. Either allow us to upload art into tracks that we scrob up so it matches or allow us to see the file name that matches the correct metadata so we can correct the filename on our end.
I need some way to either check if the filename that send to Last.FM returns metadata or ensure that Last.fm has metadata for the filename that I send.
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Just to add to this thought and the lack of format. I'm going through this weeks songs to be added to the playlist. This time I am looking through Last.FM first and finding the cover art and adjusting the file name accordingly.  Here are to examples that have featured artists.

Paul Tuvman - Just When I Think I'm over Her (feat. Rick Braun).mp3
Marcus Anderson Feat. Adam Hawley - Backseat Drivers.mp3

As you can see in order to get cover art, sometimes feature is on the song, sometimes its in the artist. Featuring can be spelled out or abbreviated. It can be in brackets or parentheses. Also my programming software has rules that block playing artist within a block of time so things do not get repetitive. However Marcus Anderson and Marcus Anderson Feat.Adam Hawley can easily play back to back. 

We all agree that there is only one song on an album but how that song can be written can take many forms. I talked to a few record labels about this and they have no standards on this and frankly, they don't care about the issue. 

I would like to have the original request open to consideration again.  
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I'm not surprised record labels aren't interested - just look at the inconsistent and terrible tagging done by labels with their submissions to digital music stores and streaming services.

As a general rule of thumb, I would personally say make the names as clean as possible - i.e. <main artist> - <title>, keeping featured info out of it/in the comments section of the tag. Putting featured artists on the left of the trackname equation creates a messy and overly vast music catalogue for Last FM.

Much of your issues ought to be (ultimately) dealt with by Last FM having an autocorrect feature that combines variations like this to a single unique track ID, which I believe is the eventual goal. Same for artists who share the same name.

As an aside, I'm curious as to what purpose or value there is to scrobbling a radio station's entire output since it's an assortment of people's tastes under one profile, which makes it kind of meaningless... *shrug*
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Thank you for the comment. The output is in Artist -Title format which is mandated by the license I need to run a station legally. The reason it’s important to be able to change and scrobble the output is because of returning metadata. When you use TuneIn and get the album art, it takes that artist - Title and matches it to Amazon. On my Roku channel, the title goes to Last.Fm and returns Artist, Title, length, album and cover art. Without it, my channel looks very amateur. So that’s why I’m looking for a way to at least point an Artist -Title to it correct metadata.
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You seem to be4 confusing file names with the information contained in the mp3 files (the tags). To fix the tags tags in your files you either have to edit them manually or use an autotagger like Picard.

If the information in the file matches what is available on a release in Last.fm's database you should get an album cover (unless that track was never released).
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Boy I wish it was as easy as reading the MP3 tags. Mine are impeccable and contain all sorts of information. Nope. The encoder does not send any MP3 information at all. Only file name. This is why it’s so important to find out exactly what the file name in the Last.fm database is. Like I keep saying, if there is a way to find out what file name works.
For another example. Look at last.fm most popular music page. Top track is pills by St Vincent. No cover art. Go to st Vincent album Masseducation. Two entries. Masseducation has cover art but no track listing. Masseducation [Explicit] has cover art and track listing. Click on the track title and pills [explicit] has cover art for the album. So is the correct filename St. Vincent - Pills [explicit] even though there is no way to have a period in the file name. Also this scrobble is from Amazon and not the CD.

What I’m asking for is the ability to see what the search term is on last.fm so I can match it correctly. I like this example how can I make sure to search for the most popular song Pills by St. Vincent? Doing a search on the page gives me zero artists. 3 albums (called pills) and 10 tracks.
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Last.fm don't care about the file name, but if you want software like Picard can also rename your files to match the tags. As far as I know the Last.fm database don't even have any information about the file names for mp3 files. That would make no sense.

If your mp3 tags match what Last.fm uses it will work.
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ANSWER: (Well as far as I want to take this conversation). By going through the API https://www.last.fm/api/show/track.getInfo the method splits the filename Artist - Title into api_key=YOUR_API_KEY&artist=AC/DC&track=Hells+Bells plus an option to autocorrect.  So That's how it pulls. It appears to use MusicBrainz as its database (I forgot about that) but still can't tell the difference between & and "and". Interesting discussion. Thanks for the help everybody.  I've gone as far as I'm willing to go on this one.
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You can use AIMP Dan Fulton; he has an official advanced tag editor and the ability to edit ID3 tags where it requests from you to fill them twice. An example of that is audio formats like mp3 and APE.
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