Deluxe covers being uploaded on Standard album pages

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What can I do when I come across this on the site (is it happening a lot)? I saw people commenting that they have extra accounts just to upload the wrong covers and give extra votes
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Yes. This is true. Or somethimes they put an unofficial cover 'cause is more prettier. I hate those things.
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There's no rule at present against putting alternate or deluxe covers on, as you term them, "standard" album pages. Many people scrobble album titles without the additional edition information in the name, so it's fine for all of the different versions of the cover to be on the album page that has the title alone. Also, sometimes the track list in the catalogue isn't necessarily for the standard edition of a release.

Theoretically, the most popular and desired version of an album cover should rise to the top, although yes, some users probably do game the system. (If users do this with extra accounts, they're risking being banned, so I'd suggest not doing so.)

Unofficial covers, on the other hand, shouldn't be uploaded. However, there isn't really a system for reporting such covers on the moment, only obviously abusive covers (which you can flag on the page). It's been previously suggested by users that there should be an option to report incorrect art too.
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Sorry but I take issue with pretty much everything you've said here.

The standard version of an album is distinct from the deluxe versions. Alternate covers from different region's releases (i.e. US cover vs European cover) is one thing, but to say it's correct or accurate (which is your implication by saying there's "no rule at present") is another thing entirely.
Many people scrobble album titles without the additional edition information in the name, so it's fine for all of the different versions of the cover to be on the album page that has the title alone
No, they are wrong. These people have mislabelled their albums. It's absolutely their right to label their files this way but it doesn't take away from the fact that they are incorrect. We shouldn't be encouraging lazy or incorrect tagging to influence the accuracy of the Last FM catalogue.
Theoretically, the most popular and desired version of an album cover should rise to the top
Absolutely not. The correct artwork in the best available quality should rise to the top. I especially take issue with your use of "desired" here when talking about official releases.

Part of the problem is almost certainly caused by Spotify's lax labelling of albums. Whether a lot of this mislabelling is down to some low-level grunt at the labels and publishers submitting stuff with errors is beside the point; if an album's artwork says <title> The Deluxe Edition, then this is the name of the album that goes with that artwork, it's not <title> Deluxe, or <title> Deluxe Edition, or <title> Deluxe Version. This is why I hate that Spotify is being so influential on Last FM's database as the accuracy of its catalogue is pretty much garbage and mindless users just want to match up what they see on Spotify with their profile.
It's been previously suggested by users that there should be an option to report incorrect art too.
This is absolutely needed, especially if Last FM aren't going to look into creating community moderators who can manually take care of this issue for them.
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The deluxe cover is as valid a cover as a non deliuxe cover. Most of your arguments are very subjective and the fact you're arguing in absolutes on a subjective matter doesn't make your point a strong one no matter how much you like it to. Let the votes they care of it, this is what is called community moderation. If the votes are tampered with by fake accounts than that's a different issue.
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The covers are both valid but under different entries within the database. It's particularly egregious if the artwork or packaging explicitly states "deluxe edition", for example, on it somewhere.

Taking your perspective oversimplifies the catalogue, removing specifics and distinctions that make the scrobble data more interesting and comprehensive. Last FM should be wanting to encourage more detail not less.
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I regard album title additions such as 'deluxe' or 'remastered' or anything like that the same as this is done (mostly by spotify) with track titles. Those should be removed and filtered out leaving only the pure title. Hence why I think both deluxe covers and original covers should come under the same album title. Don't get me wrong, safe for a few exceptions, I usually prefer the original cover but I don't believe deluxe covers should be completely removed. Hence why I would rely on community votes to choose the best.
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I agree about 'remastered' but I think that's an entirely different kettle of fish to deluxe edition albums; the latter is a distinct product whereas the former is more like a polished version of the same thing.

I think a feature that would please both of our perspectives would be if pages for deluxe and other iterations of the same album were nested under the "pure title" page so the scrobble stats were aggregated, but I still think the "pure title" page should have the standard edition artwork whereas the nested pages should have the different artwork as required.
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I think it would be good to only allow the right cover, because it would make the site more organized and could still be a "warning" to the user using the wrong tags, even though the number of users using the wrong tags is now very small that on streaming platforms at least the album name is always correct.
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Not quite sure what you mean by the "right cover", I'm guessing the standard edition artwork.

As for your last comment, the streaming platforms are nowhere near always right, especially the biggest platform, Spotify, which is riddled with errors - not to mention its inhouse name formatting, which was chosen to be needlessly different to the existing norm (hyphens rather than brackets around classifications like "radio edit", "single version", and "remix").
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The difficulty here is that Last.fm does not have the nuance or the level of detail in the catalogue appropriate to distinguish between every edition of an album. There's no system to separate different pressings, masterings, formats and editions, and it isn't likely in the short-term that there will be.

Consequently, it becomes difficult for rules to be applied that the page for the album title and nothing else is the "standard edition" and that content relating to any other version is forbidden there. For a start, it isn't always obvious as to what the standard edition is. For example, if an album is released on both vinyl and CD, with different covers for each, which one takes precedent? How about the singles with several different editions, where CD1 and CD2 have different art? How about re-releases with the same track list but different art? How about the "Parental Advisory" logo, if there's editions with and without that? How about the very common situation of different covers for different territories?

There's also the issue that the track listing imported to the catalogue doesn't always reflect the "standard edition" as it was originally released. For example, for albums released in the '70s and '80s it's sometimes a streaming version with additional tracks. In those cases, if the art is different, do we have the artwork correspond to a different version than is in the site catalogue?

Without the level of detail in the catalogue that sites like Discogs and RateYourMusic have, it's simply not possible for disambiguation to be applied in a way where title only equals standard edition. I know this is at odds with some viewpoints, but unless the catalogue system is rethought or enhanced, I believe this is the staff view (I did raise this thread with Jon), that we would only remove genuinely incorrect artwork (such as fan-made or meme art) at this time.
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what I wanted to say with the correct cover was, do not put deluxe covers where it is the standard version of the album, on several covers for a same album I'm not complaining and I fully understand that in these cases the community of last.fm that should decide. My only issue here was about people putting on the deluxe covers because they thought they were "prettier" in the standard version of the album, and they did not even hear it. about what he said about the streaming platforms was referring to the name of the album which is almost always the only thing that is right there, as you well said band names live with enough errors and different formatting. I apologize if I did, misinterpreting because I'm using Google translator
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I think the problem is sometimes they vote the same cover for differents tags, for example the album 7/27 and 7/27 (Deluxe) has right now the same cover, when the standard version have the orange cover. I think is a little mess because in this case and others, both tags are in the main page, so we see the same cover, and I think that's wrong. If just the album title would be the main and only album, without subtitles, in that case I think it's ok to let the people decide which cover is better, standard, deluxe, special... But in case they let stay the subtitle name (deluxe, special, platinum) I think every release should have the right album cover. Just an opinion. Sorry for mistakes in my english!
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I think the problem is sometimes they vote the same cover for differents tags, for example the album 7/27 and 7/27 (Deluxe) has right now the same cover, when the standard version have the orange cover. I think is a little mess because in this case and others, both tags are in the main page, so we see the same cover, and I think that's wrong. If just the album title would be the main and only album, without subtitles, in that case I think it's ok to let the people decide which cover is better, standard, deluxe, special... But in case they let stay the subtitle name (deluxe, special, platinum) I think every release should have the right album cover. Just an opinion. Sorry for mistakes in my english!