FOLLOWERS INSTEAD OF FRIENDS?

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What is this? Twitter? Tumblr? FACEBOOK? What happened to the mutual friendships we could make on last.fm? Having followers instead is such B.S. I no longer want to bother even trying to make 'friends' on lastfm anymore!
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This was one of my biggest objections too, at first, but then I realized I mostly didn't like the function anyway. Mostly because:

1. I was receiving friend requests at random by people who wanted to get a higher friend count. (In this situation the previous system was meaningless)
2. I was receiving friend requests from people who presumably liked my music taste, but never spoke to me. (In this situation current system is better)

Now I can easily follow somebody whose music taste I like without having to have their consent or without having to save their account name for reference somewhere because they didn't accept my request (which I would never request). Just because you are not publicly labeled friends does not mean that you cannot have friendship. With some of the people I've spoken to the most on last.fm I haven't gone through the formal 'friend request' step.
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Ah...let me tell you about some research about that 'future'...I may have mentioned this before  but ... just because something is the future does not mean it is a good thing.  Research is out indicating that all this heavy social media use is actually changing the neurophysiological structure of our BRAINS in ways that were totally unplanned and some of the effects noted seem to be negative ... we are losing or damaging some functions of the predigital human brain; it's not just that heavy social media users don't like to do tasks that require intense long-term focus on a single task, they are actually LESS ABLE to do them.  You think this a good thing>?
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Yes I agree with what you have said regarding "that" part of the future, (Social). I have read articles on such matters. I see it on a daily basis. At a restaurant, a family waiting for their order to be presented, to take the time to talk to the family about the days events.What you see is  Mom, Dad, kids all have their phones on looking at text messages or what have you. I believe this will always be a struggle, not any different when Television became a normal event. In fact we had dinners around the TV ( TV Dinners) the idea was so Mom, Presumably now working outside of the home could  just heat up in the oven filled with TV dinners for the family, have a relaxing conversation, with TV Trays of TV Dinners. We all know what happened. No one at the kitchen table, kids never learning how to cook except open a can to heat or premixed food. Soon all family members had TV's in all bedrooms. The start of Isolationist. Prefered to be left alone.  So yes on Social issues and technology there is a tit for tat and taking personal responsibility for one's own use.
 What I was  referring to was the direction a company needs to go to be viable in the future and be able to grow.  I'm also aware it took technology and a vision to get us to the moon. Not that LFM is planning such a venture lol.  
 LFM is about as social as I get. FB you give all your rights away when you accept membership., they own your words, pictures and anything else you may put on there even if you delete they have the retention and the rights. They can use this info for promotion. But people often give their rights freely and don't care.  Which goes back to dummy down of people.

Twitter was something I didn't think would last.  Not because I hated it or disliked it. I thought why would anyone care what I ate for dinner or or afterwards vomited in the guest bathroom? Twitter was based on a "what if" Idea that blossomed when the entertainers could have their own staff write a tweet to those that followed. Or how adverts could be used. Also as a general rule people talk at you not with you on Twitter. .  That being said, The Co CEO of past venture Imeam, is now involved in Twitter becoming a Paid forum his "what if" is .. What if you paid for a Twitter account and get the real information you're looking for and filter out the nonsense.

 So Dan I look forward to the future but now and again I look back at the past., much like looking at an old relationship when in school and now think .. "what was I thinking about when I dated this guy" 
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Still not clear on whether we will even be able to "look up" users by their username?  I had some whose music I enjoyed in the past, even though I never requested we officially become "friends".   How do I find them now?   There was such a simple "find people" search function before.   
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how can you hate the old last fm? It was more easier to use, and this new last fm site looks like it's run by greedy last fm staff members. And that is a fb direction , 
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Up to about 2006 (was that before widespread FB? I forget. certainly before twitter) you could follow people and so have them indexed for reference without their having to care, like you describe, Donyvi. Then they changed it to reciprocal. That has always bugged me, I'm glad it's going back.
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Yeah, we're trying to be like Twitter. But with a goofier layout.
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Garth Wallace

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They saw how many users Twitter got by enabling stalking and harassment and decided they wanted in on that action.
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It's clear that they wanted to appeal to the audience that uses twitters/facebooks/instagrams etc. They just forgot that those people won't be interested in lastfm because you can't upload your photos here.
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THIS^ Precisely for that reason I used to love last.fm 'cos was original desing, was a friendly interface, used to be totally customizable by the user... and mainly it was nothing like twitter and all that mainstream shit. I hate twitter, FB and instagram... why they wishes to inflict its mainstream layouts on us?? WHYYY???. 
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IT'S STUPID absolutely STUPID~! If we wanted followers we would have only twitter or tumblr!
I like when I seen random Friend REquests and getting to know more about people who wanted to share their music taste with me or me to share my thoughts music taste opinions with them. Now it's absolute unsocial shit.
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It is part of taking the personal, the human, out of last.fm and everything else by big media and big data. We are just data points and the data they care about is advertising revenue and the marketability of the site. So it is natural that "friends" is a quaint old idea, and "followers" (of management, of fashion, of the bell whether, etc.) is fine to them. The change to a less humanistic design is first and foremost seen in the truncated "about me" or side-bar. They have taken away the field where users could--and many users did--express themselves mightily in an artistic and music-related fashion. Sidebars were revealing of individuals and their aesthetic, and they might as well be gone. It was a dastardly fashion in which it was carried out, too! Suddenly, your work was down, destroyed, with only the hypertext left: not even a chance to take a screen shot for posterity. All of this makes it easier, CBS must think, to display a lot of advertising on smartphone displays of user pages: check that out.. It is atrocious!
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Oh Dear! Bill, just so you know, the 200 count is just a placeholder for the time being.  They saved your data as a read only so you could copy and paste when the time comes and all is open.  You can go back and fetch the data once the network goes live.  I agree the roll out was disappointing and as always No one is in charge of commutation. I have no opinion on the new design since the programmers need to build the new Journals, groups and so forth.    
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self edit here .. seems the answer of the 200 count varies from place to place.  In the archives VIP alpha  forum  you get the message it will be back. Then again you go to Facebook LFM  you find a different answer that at present about me will stay at 200 count because LFM never intended for 3rd party apps and images placed on the about me .. They wanted text only with a few words describing yourself.  
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I disagree, the new system in this case is better, I didn't give a fuck about friends like it was before, but now at least you can follow people if you like their musical taste.
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And that does what for you exactly?  I might be betraying my own ignorance, but I never really got the benefit of "following" someone on ANY site.  Doesn't following someone mean youi get notifications of every single thing they post say or do on the site whether you really would have cared about it or not?  My personal preference is an arrangement more like my friends in the real world, where I talk to them when I want to hang out or find out what they're doing, but I don't necessarily live in their house and get force-fed EVERY SINGLE incident in their lives from cleaning up the baby's puke to changing their sheets.  I'm not going to issue a blanket statement because of that and say "The old system's better, across the board, no conditional modifiers, no ifs ands or buts, for EVERYBODY", (at least now I've had a few days to calm down) but it certainly was better for ME.  And I used to see the Internet as being a wide enough world that there was room for both arrangements, and for sites that did one to coexist side-by-side with sites that did the other.  Guess I was wrong.
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I am now growing to accept that we'll have  "followers" instead of "friends".
It's not that "hey, can I be your friend? I think the music you're listening to is cool and I want to discover some music from you or talk to you", but now becomes "I'd like to look at that guy's music and discover things from it". It scraps the concept of mutuality, but is somewhat understandable.

The problems I see here are those:
  1.  Will we get to know that someone is following us other than suddenly noticing that the number of followers has gone up?
  2. Will people who have sent friend requests on the old site turn to followers? This would be the only sensible thing to do, because they desired to get in touch / "follow". So far, those guys have completely vanished from my lists (I had quite a few pending requests).
  3. Will we be able to block/confirm people following us?
The thing about 3. is that, as some user mentioned, there used to be the option to make scrobbles visible to friends only which has now been replaced by "show to everyone" or "show to noone".
This is indeed a security issue.
Why, you ask?
Let's just assume someone you are not friends with finds out who you are and where you live and perchance knows you are not extremely poor.
If you are an avid listener, by watching your "now listening", that person might infer that whenever you are not scrobbling something, you are either asleep or not at home.
Can I owe you the rest?
(by the way, that's also the reason why you should never make public that you're going on a holiday)
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That's exactly the reason I brought up the issue (in another thread) about your real name now being prominently displayed on your header, with the caveat that memories of the old site are so blurred by my adrenaline reaction to the new that I honestly can't remember if that has always been the case; but I don't seem to remember it's being so emphasized.  If it was, my apologies to the last.fm team but also my sincere request that it be considered as a change to take that off your header unless you specifically choose for it to be there; and maybe make it so you have to authorize its being available to someone in ANY way on the site,  Because with your real name, finding out where you live becomes not all that hard on the Internet these days.
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Your real name, or whatever you choose to put there, was displayed in the same place before as well... 
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I'd forgotten that; and so willingly accept the feedback, also from the other thread, that I am an idiot.
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Yeah, I just wish there was an explanation as to what do we get from following someone and vice versa? This isn't a site like Facebook or Twitter, where there is 'wall' (or whatever it's called nowadays), where you can see what your friends/people you follow have posted (photos, statuses, whatever). There's no such thing on Last.fm, so what does this function even means? 
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Yeah, I miss "friends" and clear library the most. In "friends" system we have control to having followers or not, now it's like gaining fame, or something like that.
Okay, many users are just friends-collectors, but it's not a problem.
Words are meaningful, so don't take them so easy, as you are doing, all people who apply this change without any doubt and your first argument is that friends remains friends. Okay, I understand, in "friends" system unfollowing someone can give additional questions ("why are you deleted me from your friends list? We are frieeends") but in following system nothing changes. I know it from tumblr / twitter, and questions are exactly the same.
And about friends and it's meaning (as above) - as I said before (in comment many days ago), words are core point of propaganda, and changing words which has q u i t e the same meaning can bring very different things. So.. follower is just one of blind, idiot mob, and nothing else. Friend is friend, in english it's also useful substitute for "acquaintance". (in, for example, polish there are more divided things)

I can't say there are only bad things with this "followers" system, but it's quite stupid one. I understand Donyvi point of view, and in fact, it's right argument. But missing friends system is hurting me a lot, because I only add people who I know and like to my friend list, and for people who are "interesting" I used to write or I used to add to my bookmarks.
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This is a good post Tom, I hadn't thought of word imaging from another country. 
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one thing about facebook ever since they introduced that new fb timeline feature it becomes easier to be a victim of bullying on there and have your private info be shared without your knowledge the old fb was easier  to use you can easily hide your info from non friend's but then the new version it was complicated , alot of people complained but fb ignored them, and they didn't have a way for you to contact the staff on there.

Which is why i quit facebook now last fm has took a dumbass direction with this new crappy style
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You are allowed to share music with your friends but "followers/following" closes that door.
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I'd imagine you'll be able to share music with your followers, and your real friends would be your followers so it would work. And if you didn't want to share that music with your "random" followers for some reason, you could still pm or shout to your real friends person to person with a music reco.
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It could be nice idea to make both "friends" and "followers" system, like in Facebook. What do you think, dear Last.fm users?
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Next time someone considers me a friend, I'll be sure to remind that I'm just their follower.
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By the way, the related FAQ gives a hint why this change might have been introduced: to give you better recommendations, as this algorithm can use different weights now for people (and possibly their musical tastes) you like and follow back and people who only follow you, but you don't follow back.

Another BTW: following/unfollowing other users has been enabled yesterday evening.
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and what about friends i like to talk with but with completely different music tastes? how does lastfm and this new algorithm weight this case?
you should really consider friends and followers, that would make sense, at least a bit...
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I agree with that idea, it would be a nice compromise. We could keep our actual friends, and there would also be a following option, for random people with super compatibility or whatever.

They keep forgetting that some of us (maybe even the most of us), have actually made friends on this site. Actual friends that have nothing to do with musical compatibility!
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Was changed just to give me better recommendations? @Hans-Jürgen sorry, but since it was implemented i haven't received anything good, the new site is a dump. Accept it!
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Seems like we have to get used to be followers instead of friends. Too bad, there was a huge "community" feeling that is now gone with the old design. :/

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