From 707 000 to 1 million scrobbles in less than 24 hours? That's impossible!

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I was wondering, is there any alternative to reporting someone on Last.FM? Is there any button or a contact where I can file a report and tell a staff member to take actions against the user? Because, after the launch of the BETA site, half the function is, or deleted or turned off. How can I report someone for abuse of exploit system or scrobbling activity?

Anyway, here is the story; a user named Rock_Music_1001 joined Last.FM 11 Mar 2015. From that day to this day he managed in less than fifteen months, to reach 1,006,297 scrobbles. According to stats on his profile, he is scrobbling 1.380 times per day. In one day, mostly on Mondays, he managed to reach 70 000 scrobbles, while on Sunday even 73 000 scrobbles, which is ridiculous. They distort listening charts; these are essentially like robot scrobbles. Rock_Music_1001 listened to 10,034 tracks on 26 November 2016, which are about one scrobble every 0.144 seconds? How is this possible? I remember in the earlier Last.FM days people like these eventually got their account terminated by an operator of CEO community team.

The completely listening report you can find here:
http://www.last.fm/user/Rock_Music_1001/listening-report/year


There is another instance; its user called Megadeth_6666 who defends and supports these actions. He attacked Necroph0bic for calling Rock_Music_1001 a retard because of how it behaves on Last.FM. Megadeth_6666 said that Necroph0bic deserves to be raped, burned and thrown into a garbage bag.

You can view the whole conversation here: https://goo.gl/TChf2A

I demand that you examine Megadeth_6666 history because lately, he complained a lot of how other people engaged him and how they threaten him to report him to the operators of Last.FM community. If you are questioning does he have a previous profile, yes, he has, and his name is The_Death666.


Look at the scrobbling activities that Rock_Music_1001 did for the past 6 hours. With 30,000 jumped to 107 000 hits for the band MEGADETH, that is impossible! A scrobbling activity that he did for just one song goes from 46 seconds to 5 minutes.



From 30 000 to 107 000 scrobbles for band MEGADETH in less than 6 hours, are you kidding me?



This is the fourth report that I send; I sent two reports to the Administration on Last.FM and two on getsatisfaction.com forum. Will the Administration to do something about this problem, or they will, as always, to sit and do nothing? I'm pissed off! Someone should delete this account; it's destroying the Top Listeners!
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I agree. Unluckily is very easy to cheat if you are a bit dev-smart..
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theaxel

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I agree. Unluckily is very easy to cheat if you are a bit dev-smart..
I mean, also this, it is kind of fake for just 7 days...

 
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Here's another report; in less than three days, he managed to reach 100 000 scrobbles for Black Sabbath. http://www.last.fm/user/Rock_Music_1001/library/music/Black+Sabbath This is disgusting!
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Moderators made it perfectly clear that they couldn't care less about cheaters, so yeah, it's a lost cause... It's a shame how much they destroy overall stats though.
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And why would a site have stats if they don't care about the validity???? Stupid stuff...
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These type of cheat accounts should get deleted for sure. If admins or mods don't act against these kinds of abuse then why are they even there for?
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Good question, anyway, I contacted CBS Company and I gave them a request to eliminate this profile.
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CBS Interactive or CBS?
Ugh, I reported a problem by using this application.
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Guess, for what the "i" could stand for?
;-)
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"I" for "Intergalactic Planetary another Dimension
I'm using that quote if you don't mind! 
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I agree with the complaint, there is no point in having stats that are inflated. This is easily done, by having more than a few other scrobbling devices and having them run 24-7. This is supposed to be about the music community, not a contest. I SUGGEST BANNING this guy, and the other who has over 2 million scrobbles - since 2013!
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I've been noticing a few members have inflated their scrobbles ridiculously for some reason or other. The problem is that this inflation throws off the site's stats and defeats the purpose of tabulating the group's numbers. I'm not going to ask that these members stop playing additional devices to increase their scrobbles, I don't think they care at all. But I do ask that we report them to try to keep from these numbers, these stats, from being meaningless. This should be about being part of a music-community, not trying to win some juvenile contest. I'm sure they can find another site, other than last.FM. I have asked last.fm but as usual they never respond or take action....sad, really.
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It's no use to ban him, there is literally hundreds of other accounts that are doing the same thing. The only permanent solution is setting a daily scrobbling limit, either by number of tracks, or by listeing time (so that no one could scrobble more than 24 hours of music per day).
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This is the only viable solution. I don't think it'll require that much effort to make it happen. If only they cared...
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One of the mods told me that they are planning to set the max number of tracks to 3000 (ish). I think it's WAY to much. Even in my holidays I'm only able to reach about 350 - 400 and, come one, one needs to sleep, brush his teeth, walk the dof...whatever. 3000 would be ridiculous.

And not to speak of the inactive profiles. I'd delete all of them that didn't get a login for more than a year...
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3000 tracks a day is technically seen possible.  In one day you have 1440 minutes whereas 30 seconds is the minimum requirement for a track to scrobble.  2 tracks a minute makes 2880 tracks scrobbled.  From a mathematical point of view the 3000 tracks limit is valid.  But I do see your point...nobody will actively listen 24/7 for several days in row without sleep.
There are definitely genres with bands the majority of whose tracks don't exceed the 1 minute mark: punk, hardcore, grindcore, ...
I'm not talking about scrobbling issues people have suffered from since the beta launch, wrong track durations, ...

About inactive profiles: I also would like to see them disappear, but from a legal point of view Last.fm will not do that.  You just don't take away someone's property (profile, piece of clothing, ...), because one didn't use it for a longer period.  Only a serious breach of the terms is a valid reason to take away such profile.

Don't get me wrong: In terms of statistical correctness, the main objective and the mental perception of the website I 100% agree with you, but there are underlying forces hindering (y)our quest for perfection.

On the other hand the obvious cheaters - the reason why this topic was started - should be dealt with by the staff. Especially after the launch of the last.week features (a possible flagship for recruiting new members), where one's scrobbling time is exposed to anyone. Every profile, that's not a jukebox chain or anything like that, with over 10 days worth of music scrobbled a week ridicules the whole of terms of the website and is a shame for LFM in general.
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I was idly clicking around Last FM yesterday and ended up on a user's page where his Last.Week, this wonderfully informative new feature we've all been given, showed that during his previous week - a seven day period, just for added emphasis - he had managed to listen to over...


....wait for it....


SIXTY DAYS worth of music.

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This kind of bullshit is absolutely ridiculous. It's one thing the users who leave their music playing 24/7, even though they will obviously be asleep for a significant chunk of those hours - at least that has some semblance of accuracy, but these users' stats defy the laws of time and physics.

But, hey, no biggy.
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Welcome to Last.FM, a community where nobody cares about your problems.
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I agree with everything you've said Elliot, but in my case, I personally do listen to music 24-7  I am retired and I have suffered from extreme insomnia for half of my life and music helps. I only listen to music. Even if I drift off for an hour, I still am listening. But I'm not running 10 different devices to increase the count. I would say there are very few valid reason for these others. The bigger problem is that last.fm is SO hands off and uninvolved that this fact should be of great concern for at least the main person running this company. Imagine employing so many people who do sub-standard work in your company? why would they be employed...
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You're right about Last FM being hands-off about it. They're more concerned about avoiding a witch hunt at the moment, which I can understand, but on the other hand that means they are passively enabling this kind of behaviour.

As for your listening habits, I'm sorry to hear you suffer from extreme insomnia, that must suck. I would respectively suggest, however, that you are wrong to say you are still listening even when you drift off. If you can't name a single song that played after you drifted off, have you really listened to the music? Your ears may have technically heard it, but it's not really a proper listen, I would argue. I would also think you are very much the exception among these 24hrs-a-day listeners. I imagine most of them just leave their music playing to rack up scrobbles for some perceived achievement or kudos.

Anyway, I have way less of an issue with non-stop listeners than the people who are recording more hours of music than there are hours in the day - this is cheating, plain and simple.
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What I find strange is that Last.fm built these tools (Last.week, Last.year and Top Listeners) that so obviously highlight users who cheat their Scrobbles to the point that it renders these leaderboard features almost pointless. But they decide to do nothing about it. Does accuracy not matter? 

Cheating Scrobbles could become a slippery slope, and like a snowball rolling down a hill, it has the potential to grow and eventually become a bigger problem. People see a user with an incredible profile, 500,000 Scrobbles. They admire it. You see that in the comments section. But you look deeper and see that it's not legitimate. Still, people want a profile like that. So they might leave their music playing an hour longer tonight. Then the next night. Just to inflate those stats a little. No one will know. No one will catch you. You'll get that dream profile soon. The temptation is great. I remember reading an article a few years ago about this. 

Anyway, story time over. I'm in favour of accuracy. Correct stats matter and that's the main reason I'm still here on Last.fm. People can inflate their stats and it would be difficult to prove. Some users like BJ Booth (above) have valid reasons for Scrobbling a large amount of tracks (myself included). 

I'm in agreement with Elliot when it comes to accounts Scrobbling a physically impossible amount of music. They serve no purpose other than to cause hostility among users and damage stats. They are pointless and should be deleted.
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 I'm with you on this.
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Well I'm a big believer that democracy can still work. Since this site, this community, is something we all belong to, would a 'petition' of some kind (something that anyone clicking on 'like' would count as a vote) possibly be seen as a demand for action and if it is sent to someone other than the tech-operators who receive complaints maybe there would be strength in the numbers of people complaining? I saw another profile for someone today who scrobbles on average 70,000 songs a month I think it was. Personally, I'd like to stay with this site and unless this can be resolved, I'm not sure why I would... 
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Some people have multiple devices logged into same account. They could have 10+ devices running at the same time and it still scrobbles all at the same time which makes this look as if they are scrobbling each second or shorter. I tried it once with MusicBee and my phone at the same time, and it works.

Not only that but maybe it is a friends account and they are sharing their scrobbles.
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Just found out about Listen Brainz. Seems to be a new service for scrobbling website. Trying it out because it was just added to Simple Last.FM Scrobbler.
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Well, @Patrick, then why are you still following him on LastFm? ;-) Same as other users with millions of scrobbles?

Listeners like that aren't interested in LISTENING to music, they want the "highscore", they act like they're playing computer games and I wonder what they're doing it for.

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When I came to LastFM about 10 years ago (as Chrilu), I was interested in my accurate listening habits. When I buy music ( I don't use streaming shit) as .mp3 / .mp4 or physical disks / LP's, I put it on my PC and use the iTunes library to listen (and also scrobble) to it, mainly in random mode.
Why would I feel the urge to cheat my scrobbled titles? It would only destroy my statistics.
And I even don't delete scrobbled tunes (even if there was a Rick Astley song or even worse), they are part of my musical horizon, they formed me.
Maybe I take this theme too serious, but music is more to me than simple consumption of sounds, it's a lifestyle...

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