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With this new system I keep getting crappy covers or mobile phone footage of live songs from youtube. There used to be a way of suggestion a better video or flagging it for review. Does anyone know where this has gone or if they're bringing it back? it reeeealy detracts from my listening experience especially if after a couple of skips it reverts back to spotify...
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Laura Last.fm, Official Rep

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Hi Chris,

We're still working on improving the quality of the YouTube videos shown on the site.

If you have any examples of bad videos, could you post them here (also, what is your location)? This will help with testing quality improvements later. Cheers :)

The suggest and flag feature isn't available yet.
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There is nothing Last.fm can do against that, but you could contact the video uploader on YouTube to allow external site embedding of his video though, or upload a better version yourself. As YouTube handles copyright issues differently now, this might be accepted by copyright owners if you allow adding ads to your uploaded video from which they get a share through YouTube.
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"There is nothing Last.fm can do against that" 
 
Except a couple months back Last.fm was doing things against that, namely respecting the community effort, and removing flagged videos from the rotation for all users. It was working fine, but they discarded our community effort and now we have to do the same effort again, only everybody individually, and only after our listening experience has been interrupted. 
I thought Last.fm was about music discovery, meaning I listen to new music every session. This means that every time I want to listen to the radio I'm forced to actively do quality control in case I will encounter those tracks some other time, instead of just putting on a radio and chill. I'm not too bothered with contributing some effort, but this is literally every 8-10 minutes, it's work. 
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Actually the users have even more power now. You can suggest a better video and it will be used instantly. Earlier you could flag all you wanted and nothing ever was removed.
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Wies Diman

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That has not been my experience. Right now nothing is ever removed unless you flag it, before there was hardly ever any need to flag anything, and when you did, chances were really big that the next time you would hear your suggestion instead. 
 
Besides that, I feel like you didn't read what I said, or bother acknowledging it. If you use Last.fm for music discovery it's not really feasible or worthwhile to do your own quality control. When your listening experience is disrupted every 15-20 minutes, the damage is already done, and taking a minute out of every 15 minutes to maybe, possibly prevent one of those interruptions in the future doesn't seem near as effective as just making use of the moderation of millions of users. 
 
Edit: OK, I just read farther down below that Last.fm does actually try to make use of user moderation. I guess it takes a little time to clean up the database again. I'll give it a shot again later. Would be nice to be able to come back to last.fm
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Furthermore there was a related bug with suggested videos not being played in your personal radio stations, only on-demand from the track pages, but as far as I know this bug has been fixed in the meantime.
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Chris Daubney

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Is there any update to this problem? I am tired of skipping live after live, poor quality tracks & covers. It gets to the point where the player just stops & I have to reload the page.

I know other people are experiencing this problem: https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/track-playing-wrong-youtube-video I would like to know a rough time frame if possible...
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When you gave them examples of bad videos, you correctly put the artist first and the song afterwards. Sadly they don't do things that way round here no more. So they have probably gone and searched for a band called 'Know Your Enemy' and are searching for their song 'Green Day' and are currently having trouble finding that song in their database. So just bear with them a while
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Wies Diman

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Has this been fixed yet?
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Chris Daubney

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Nope :(
I migrated to Spotify, however that has other issues playing Karaoke versions or just instrumentals..  
I tend to skip alot of tracks these days and my library doesn't increase from things I've found on here anymore
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Wies Diman

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I can recommend Deezer. Flawless playback, even rather obscure artists have good Similar Artist radios (as long as they're published under the big 3 record companies, but that's about everything anyway). I miss the stat tracking and event intergration (and multiple SA radio) of Last.fm though.. :(
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I am having that same problem too when I listen to Kenny Rogers or any other band. Instead of listening to the original track, I am listening to cheap karaoke on my library. I also have a problem while I am listening to Slayer discography. First, two tracks load with no problem, the rest of it just stuck and stop. That is why I am downloading all of my favorite artists directly on my computer. Just, to prevent a problem like this on my library. It is seriously frustrating. 

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I have added lots of links to the proper youtube videos whenever I have seen a message to do so. Are the videos we add manually effectively used for YouTube playback, or does this work different?
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Here's how it works:

For videos without user suggestions we'll try to pick the most popular best match we can find. 

You can override this with your own preferred video.

When you suggest a replacement video, that's the video you will always see (on track pages and the radio), provided that:
  • It can be embedded on Last.fm.*  
  • It isn't deleted by the uploader at a later date.
If multiple users all suggest the exact same video, the one that gets the most suggestions will be used as a default video for logged out users / people who haven't suggested a preferred video.

*Some videos (e.g. from Vevo) are blocked for a variety of reasons -- this is behaviour of Youtube we have no control over.  You can test this by clicking on the video once you've added it, if it doesn't start you'll need to pick a different one.  

Also, please note that if you're using the beta catalogue at the moment, this might affect which videos you see -- this is a known issue that's being addressed.

For more info, please see:
https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/how-do-i-add-or-replace-a-youtube-video-on-last-fm
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As Weis Diman mentions, sometimes there isn't a good replacement, e.g. either breaches copyright, crappy mobile footage or a completely wrong video.  In this case, can we have the option to not show any video, please?
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I agree that would be helpful.  I've raised it with the product team for consideration.
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Wies Diman

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Well that's something at least. 
 
What about the clunky user experience for suggesting a better video? 
Also, what is going wrong that such a high percentage of videos is still of crappy quality after months of user moderation?
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Wies Diman

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This is still a huge problem. I don't get why either. 99% of the time the correct video is the top result when doing the suggested search.  
 
If this somehow still is something that's problematic, a good compromise would be to make the 'replace video' a bit more fluent. Right now, I have to pause the shitty version, go to the track page, click replace, click youtube search, check whether the video i want to replace it with is correct, pause that, copy the link, click next on my last.fm radio, close two tabs. Still haven't heard the correct song, but at least my radio's playing again.  
Imo it would be infinitely better if you could hover over the mini player and see a link that says 'search for a replacement video on Youtube', that auto-pauses the track, opens a new last.fm window with the Youtube search results embedded, allows you to open a video and if it's the correct one, allows you to click 'select this video', then keeps playing the video and splices it onto whatever radio you were listening on Last.fm when you started your search for a replacement.  
(If this goes to some design dogma or other, you've really got to ask yourself what is more important; a smooth listening experience or smooth web design. Function before form please.)
 
Also, when no viable replacement is available, I should be able to suggest removing the video from the database altogether. Something is not always better than nothing. I'd rather hear the next track than that one song recorded on a shitty mobile phone.
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Chris Daubney

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Definitely. 100% agree. Please sort this out lastfm
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Salvador Morales León

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I do not think that allowing NOT PLAYBACK OF LIVE TRACKS as an option it would be a great deal.
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That is such a cop out though. Having to manually adjust your radio station every odd number is like something out of the 1920s. If you're a bit of a varied listener it's also a continuous plight. It's not like we listen to the same 100 songs every day Last.fm is supposed to be about music dicovery and I try to listen to new music every day. 
 
And as I mentioned above the user experience for suggesting a video is horrid.
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Wies Diman

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*Bump* Still getting crappy live versions of tracks that have no official video available. I'd rather not hear them. 
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Wies Diman

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It bothers me that this is tagged as 'answered', when it's still a huge problem. Should I be making a new thread?
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Patrick

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Don't bother; the administration will merge your application to the original one and lock it.
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Wies Diman

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3 years later and I feel like there's hardly been any progress. Every other song is still a live recording, sometimes pretty bad ones as well.
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>>>we are currently working on a back-end change to allow these videos get set as the default video automatically, which should go out in the next couple of weeks

This has now gone live.  You should start to see better quality videos on the site soon -- if not add them and they should replace the existing ones (with the exception of sony artists who are still blocking last.fm from embedding videos).
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So is Century Media
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Divine_Chaos

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That makes sense
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chx

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This also affects Spotify -- I subscribed to Spotify yesterday to address this and a loved track just came up -- in live version! No, the loved version didn't include "live" in the title but the one Spotify played did. I will cancel Spotify if YouTube is solved.