Make it so the "Incorrect Capitalisation" form requires proof that the suggestion is the correct one

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Wanna One's page has changed capitalisation 2 or 3 times already and even a staff member posted on the sbox telling people to reach a consensus because it keeps changing. Thing is some people are indeed abusing this by requesting it to be in all caps (their personal preference) when all social media accounts have it written as Wanna One.

So I suggest that the form contains a new field, dedicated to official links such as official website and social media accounts, itunes, etc. so the team doesn't change capitalisation incorrectly and to prevent people from abusing the form like this.
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What about those cases where official sources contradict each other? What would be then considered as "proof" for which is right. You're only seeing this from the perspective of your specific case but you're requesting something that impacts all. Take for example The Smashing Pumpkins, official links will say that's their name, yet they have released albums as Smashing Pumpkins. Those albums are official so which "official version" should be considered as the actual name? If you want to apply the last used official name retroactively then you're opening up a whole different can of worms. By that reasoning you'd suddenly be naming all famous Cat Stevens songs as Yussuf Islam. There's also a case to be made about for example Junkie XL and his real name Tom Holkenborg which he's using currently. Your suggestion goes far beyond just mere capitalization. Usually, as how I consider it to be now, is the name used is chosen through consensus indicated by the amount of scrobbles (Junkie Xl is scrobbled far more compared to Holkenborg and all Holkenborg scrobbles get redirected to Junkie XL). Proof via official links imho isn't necessarily the above all solution since they can contradict themselves.
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Half of your post doesn't really address what I'm talking about since it's only about capitalisation. You're talking about people who have changed their names throughout their career and other problems regarding last.fm's catalogue. That's a different issue. My suggestion was just merely a way the last.fm staff can confirm they are making the correct correction instead of blindly following suggestions that are nothing but personal preference of some users.
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As I already mention, your suggestion encompasses way more than what you're talking about. You talk about correction only in the context of capitalization, I talk about correction in the context of all (including spelling). I thought It was pretty explanatory but it seems not. It exactly the same issue, the issue being which is the correct artist name and to verify via official sources. It seems all my points went straight over your head and you really didn't get anything of what I was saying. Perhaps this would make it clearer: is  your suggestion only meant to solve capitalisation issues or can it be used for broader corrections? If it's only meant for capitalization then your suggestion is rather silly as there is no good reason to not have it be purposed for spelling as well. Btw, you didn't even care to address the issue of two official sources contradicting.


"My suggestion was just merely a way the last.fm staff can confirm they are making the correct correction"
No, your suggestion is this: ..staff can confirm they are making the correct correction when involving capitalization only"

This is my suggestion: staff can confirm they are making the correct correction, period.
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It seems all my points went straight over your head and you really didn't get anything of what I was saying.
Let's try and avoid being condescending to each other.

Cpt Chi was merely trying to suggest a way to improve Last FM's own narrowly scoped feature, which only addresses capitalisation. However, your observations about conflicting information from official sources is entirely valid and correct.
Is your suggestion only meant to solve capitalisation issues or can it be used for broader corrections? If it's only meant for capitalization then your suggestion is rather silly as there is no good reason to not have it be purposed for spelling as well.
Cpt Chi didn't say citing official sources wouldn't be applicable elsewhere but he explicitly talked about the problem as it relates to the Incorrect Capitalisation form. Spelling corrections and artist name variations also require corroboration from legitimate/official sources, but that isn't something dealt with via the Incorrect Capitialisation form. You are trying to talk about a related but distinct issue.

Problems like Cat Stevens vs Yussuf Islam will (hopefully) be addressed at some point in the future when the music catalogue is finished and will scrobble to a unique artist page (as is their intention, I believe). There are many artists who this is an issue for - I have a bunch in my own library.

I think when two official sources conflict, the best thing to do (if a third official source can't be found) is to go with the version with the most users scrobbling it.
This is my suggestion: staff can confirm they are making the correct correction, period.
I don't quite understand this sentence. Are you suggesting the staff should deal with corrections without any user input? If so, that is wildly unrealistic as the Last FM staff are a fairly small team, I believe, so won't have the remotest chance of seeing any and all issues with the immense catalogue. The more eyes on it, the better.
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I think where it appears in different places as all-caps and normal letting, one can safely assume the all-caps is just stylisation for, say, the artwork. I think it would make sense to tend towards standard English grammar for most cases.

I would agree with Jan above (even though he is talking about a slightly different problem, as you say, Cpt Chi) that official sources aren't always that uniform, since they aren't usually concerned with pedantic consistency as scrobblers are, haha. I know I've got a couple of albums where there is a slightly different track name on the back of the CD vs in the liner notes - super helpful!
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Cpt Chi, I'll consider your suggestion, but don't forget that the motivation for doing this in the first place was to fix issues where the track name was cOMplETEly bROkeN, not this. 

It should be self evident, and there should be consensus from the community.  If not, we should probably leave it be or treat it as a shared artist page (i.e. default to Regular Casing).  There's too many corrections to process (~1000 are added every week), I'm not going to waste my time verifying proof, if fans of the artist can't even agree what the correct casing should be.

>>>Take for example The Smashing Pumpkins, official links will say that's their name, yet they have released albums as Smashing Pumpkins

That and similar examples (one artist, many names) will be fixed with artist aliases when we eventually do those.  It's annoying that it's taking so long to get the foundation for that laid out, but as far as I know it's something we still plan to do.

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