Make Spotify tracks scrobble without '2009 Remaster', 'Single Version', etc. in song/album titles

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The tracks that are scrobbled with Deezer are shown without '2009 Remaster' etc. Please make this happen with Spotify tracks too! Otherwise the scrobble history turns into a mess, with some tracks having 'Remastered' in title and some not, and if it's the same track/album, 'Remastered' and without 'Remastered' wouldn't count them as one, but seperately!
I really want the scrobble history to be clean, no matter what and how many music services I'm using.
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Ugh, I hate it when that happens too. I think it relies on the specific metadata of the track, as the shown song name isn't always the same as the track's digitally assigned name. I can only assume that differences in metadata are what makes Deezer scrobble like it does. I don't know though.

I get it sometimes on Spotify too. E.g. Failure's 'Magnified' has now been changed to 'Magnified (US DMD)' (or something like that) but it scrobbles without the us dmd bit.
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I love them so much. My real name is also Jess.

This wouldn't bother me so much if it could at least be easily changed. I don't care as much since the rest of the site isn't really worth looking at, but would like them to export cleanly. I like the Musicbrainz method of fixing this stuff so much better than what the old site had (and whatever they're going to come up with here too). Edits are open for a week and if nobody votes on it it just gets applied. I haven't seen too many malicious changes and popular artists are probably the targets of those anyway, so I think those get changed back pretty quickly.

I'm not sure if it's Last.fm's or Deezer's side that is making it scrobble without those tags. Deezer (or whoever made the component) probably either wrote it so the scrobbler ignores extraneous information or their database is set up so that type of info is in a separate tag, which I wish Spotify would do.
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Don't mind me, just upvoting both comments because I fucking love the band Failure.
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garynotrashcoug

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We will be able to vote to auto-correct stuff like this eventually, once it's been reimplemented. Also, I believe staff have mentioned a few times that they may implement a feature where we can edit metadata in our library?
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He's dead, Jim!

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The root of the problem lies in Spotify that reports all that mess, but it has been hinted that it will be handled by some kind of smart matching algorithm.
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Official Response
The team are looking into various solutions to address this problem.  I don't know if we'll be able to catch everything on the first attempt, but we're hoping to get the most obvious patterns.
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I was curious if there was any update to this?  If it can't be solved algorithmically could we have API access to edit the track names to fix ourselves?
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Good idea
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** BUMP ** we're two years into this and wondered at the very least if you guys can't fix yourselves, can we have an API endpoint to fix ourselves?  Failing that, just add a delete scrobble API endpoint so we could re-scrobble the correct track name.

Related, as I was digging into the API to try to figure out how to do this myself, I noticed the library.getTracks endpoint was removed?  Makes scanning your scrobble history programmatically almost impossible.
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@kevin You'll be looking for the user.getTopTracks or user.getRecentTracks endpoint to get scrobble history
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@dancingmongoose you are a star, that is exactly what I'm looking for.  Much obliged.
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Another problem (mainly with more obscure albums, I think) from Spotify is tracks listed as [Song title] - [Album title] Album Version. It would be swell to have those merged with the correct track pages.
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From what I read on the "is your metadata incorrect" Spotify support page for artists, Spotify themselves are at the mercy of how the artist's label reports said metadata and can't edit it themselves.

I for one would _love_ to not see "Artist - Song 2015 Remastered Version".  Having my scrobble counts now all rather inaccurate after 10 years of using last.fm is crushing.  If they can't be auto-fixed as you guys are recording the scrobble, having an edit feature so we could do it ourselves would be lovely.
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He's dead, Jim!

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That is obviously false as I have a release on Spotify where they changed the artist name from the one stated in the metadata.
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So, even if the (Single Mix) or (Radio Mix) is a substantial overhaul of the song, you want it counted as the same? I see the merits of combining and not combining ... it's a thorny issue.
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I think the issue when a track is "Track (single mix)" and then also "Track (single mix) - 2016 remaster". it should just show up as "Track (single mix)". 
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I'm for this; I'm sick of seeing incorrectly tagged albums in my library. For example Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses [Expanded]. What's the difference? It's the same album only with an added title.
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no it's not the same album. it's an, um, expanded version of the original album which means it includes bonus tracks and has a different tracklist. how's it the same album? i have, for example, 2 different versions of Nirvana's Nevermind. the original thing which came out in 1991 and the super deluxe edition which came out some 20 years later. i do not consider them to be the same album. they're not because while, say, Lithium, is on both versions, Old Age, is not. it can only be found on the deluxe edition and it'd be incorrect to scrobble it under 'Nevermind' because it is not on it. if they implement this without an option to turn off autocorrect (an option that actually works when you select it) i'll be extremely pissed off. 
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I agree that the option to have it on or off would be ideal, based on personal preference. I prefer to scrobble everything under the original album name, even when it's not the original release.
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Incorrect, it's the same release, same tracklist, same date, same running time and same running length. The only difference is the added title. 
https://www.last.fm/user/Samson-91/library/music/Type+O+Negative/Bloody+Kisses+%5BExpanded%5D
https://www.last.fm/user/Samson-91/library/music/Type+O+Negative/Bloody+Kisses

If you're talking about the bonus tracks, then you're talking about top shelf edition. 
https://www.amazon.com/Bloody-Kisses-Shelf-Type-Negative/dp/B001NS7J02

It's the only expanded edition that Type O Negative ever released, including Life is Killing Me and October Rust, the rest of releases have original tracks.
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Hoping this is planned for rolling out at some point this year. I'm listening on a variety of different mediums and it's impossible to keep accurate track/album stats while some scrobbles keep appearing as 'Remastered'.
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I hope last.FM team have plans to fix this, for example, this: https://www.last.fm/music/Pantera/Official+Live+:+101+Proof Has a double space. There is no double space between "live" the colon and "101 Proof." There's only space after the colon. This release has proper tags: https://www.last.fm/music/Pantera/Official+Live:+101+Proof
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Similar case:

"Title (Remix)" (Correct)

instead of

"Title - Remix" (Wrong)
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OMG, this is probably the primary pet peeve of mine - I blame Spotify entirely for this. Pretty much everyone uses brackets for these distinctions and they come along with their hyphen format, which, since Last FM is bound to Spotify, is causing no end of scrobbling issues/errors.
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Spotify's problem is its inconsistency. Sometimes you'll see a hyphen, other times brackets. The same goes for all other types of releases. EP, - EP, (EP) etc.

Every source of metadata uses different rules for tagging and when they get imported to the Last.fm database you end up with a big mess. Last.fm need to come up with their own ruleset and enforce them through an automated corrections system to clean up the catalogue and users' libraries. 
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True, it is inconsistent but the general rule for the majority seems to be the hyphen.

You're right about the assortment of tagging rules - perhaps all the more reason to work on facilitating user preference rather than trying to combine several conflicting styles.
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Wouldn't be much easier to use the tagging system principle that house labels use them? The hyphen, parenthesis, brackets, and apostrophe issues are the main reason why charts are ruined.
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This is tangentially related but I thought I'd include it here rather than start a new topic.

The album Cut 4 Me by Kelela has production credits listed in all its song titles. This would be bad enough as an entry on the database, but to make matters worse, clean tags (i.e. with just the song name as the ... song name!) are being autocorrected to these titles with the producer credits. Double whammy on this track, which has the producer listed and a hyphenated "extended" stuck on the end.

Last FM should ditch Spotify as a source because it is TERRIBLE and CONSISTENTLY inaccurate or wrong, same with iTunes and Amazon, to be honest. Personally I'd be inclined to only use MusicBrainz and Discogs as these are generally way more accurate and user cultivated rather than being reliant on surprisingly unreliable music labels. You'd solve all the " - single", " - radio edit", "[Explicit]", " - remastered" bullshit straight away. Just my opinion...
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Apart from all the "- single" and "- EP" suffixes and the sprinkling of [explicit] I think iTunes actually have quite good data.
Discogs Is Quite Good But Have Weird Ideas About How To Do Capitalisation.

I would hope that if there is a conflict between different sources peer reviewed sources such as MusicBrainz is given priority.
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The "- single" and "- EP" suffixes are rife, though. Otherwise, yes, they are generally OK.

In what way does Discogs have weird ideas about capitalisation? I've not noticed this.
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About Discogs I gave a subtle hint in how I capitalised the words in the sentence. The demand that every word starts with a capital letter. All the time. In every language.
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That's fairly standard for English - perhaps it's more jarring for other languages.

What I find grating is when English titles are in all-caps, which is often done as an artistic choice by k-pop artists on their artwork that fans then take literally. Perhaps the artwork designers think the all-caps looks better next to the Hangul alphabet. *shrug*
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I hope something about this is done soon. I can't tell you how much I hate scrobbling a song with "2010 Remastered Version Previously Unreleased Rare Club Mix Limited Edition Extended Version Remix Featuring Commentary" at the end of it.
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There's another thread about this - https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/theres-too-much-remastered-version-in-spotify-its-messy-an... - which has went into more detail on which information is valuable and which is worthwhile to discard.

I honestly think that automating this for anything more than Spotify's remastered pattern would give too many false positives, I think you guys (i.e. Last.fm staff) should reluctantly do this manually. See my post in the linked thread and you'll get an idea as to why.
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*bump* are there any last.fm employees who could comment if this is something that's on the dev radar any time soon.  If not could we at least get API access to update an existing scrobble?
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This will be best fixed with adding new track-level scrobble corrections, once that's implemented later in the year.  It looks bad now because we can't make changes the corrections dataset until the new scrobble db is deployed, but once we're able to add new track corrections / redirections to the site, this problem should be greatly reduced.  
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Crossing my fingers to something like this finally happens.
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Good to know.  Thanks for quick reply @jon.
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Hey @jon, it's been 6 months. do we have any idea if the track level scrobble corrections has any traction?
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I've got to be honest I'm incredibly disappointed we've not heard any update on this.  I've been a rabid last.fm statistics junkie since 2006.  it really pains me to see album and song duplication in my scrobble history.  So much so that I didn't re-up my subscription this time around.

Is there something, anything planned to, at the very least, allow track level corrections via the API?  I still hold out hope that the deafening radio silence is but a mere oversight.  
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I've occasionally seen Last.fm clearing remastered bits. Like Pavement - Gold Soundz (Remastered) being scrobbled as Pavement - Gold Soundz or Swervedriver - Rave Down - 2008 Remastered Version as Swervedriver - Rave Down. Tried quite a lot of other songs too, but these are the only two examples that worked. I talked about it on reddit post too.

I really hope this means that they're working on this. Also would love an official update on this.
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Kraftwerk, Electronic.. bands that still need a remasterd clean up!
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Not only those tags that Spotify adds them are an issue. You have people you have a physical copy of albums, and they add those incorrect tags by themselves by using an advanced tag editor. One user called Chris bought a remastered version of Master of Puppets, and he didn't bother to fix those tags that have up to 40 characters. All songs remain the same except the extra title added.
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So it's been about four years and I have still have the same song listed in Last.fm about 4 or 5 different ways, depending on what year it was "remastered". Has any solution been agreed on yet so we can edit our scrobbles to accurately reflect what we listen to and how often?
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Scrobble editing was introduced as a subscriber feature earlier this year. There's no corrections fix yet, but editing would allow you to merge these scrobbles.
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The edit feature is the best thing (IMO) the team has introduced during this (incredibly long) redesign but it shouldn't be a substitute for the site failing to handle easy auto-corrections, like ignoring all these needless "remaster" suffixes, not to mention the annoying way Spotify decided to have its own tagging style with the dash format, as opposed to the longstanding and widely used brackets, causing endless redundancies across the site.
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one other work around I use - for Amazon Music - is the chrome plugin - https://web-scrobbler.github.io/

You can edit the scrobble before it's sent to Last.fm. Currently listening to Low by David Bowie and editing all the scrobbles before being sent to remove the remastering info and - for some reason - Weeping Wall is called Weeping Wall (Instrumental), so I've removed the instrumental part too as it IS an instrumental and not an instrumental version of the track. 
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Are there any updates?