Merge deluxe versions of albums?

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Is it possible in some way to merge two different versions of the albums? I have a lot of albums that have their scrobbles spread in different releases and I would like to put a little bit of order my album library. This is one example:



I think that this would be great if it doesn't already exist (I don't think so, but just asking to check) because I feel that I'm not the only one with this problem. (There are also other tags, like explicit or even deluxe explicit that really messes up the scrobble count)
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Hi Pietrus,

These releases need to be separated as their content / tracklist is different for each release. Sorry.
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Thanks for the reply, this kinda sucks but it's ok. I hope that maybe in the future I'll be able to edit my past scrobbles so my charts are cleaner, but for now I will just try to tag my music better.
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Elliot

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I'm really surprised that more people aren't behind this idea. It frustrates me heaps that my top albums list is a split mess because some listens are on the deluxe version and some aren't. 

Perhaps there could be albums and sub albums? So like if someone listens to the original version or the deluxe version, they are both sub-albums of a parent album, and the parent album is what shows on people's listings?

I dunno, it just irks me.
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If I remember correctly, the plan is to introduce release groups like on MusicBrainz to cover these different cases. So the general or first release would define the release group, and differing releases like deluxe versions would be counted under that group, but also separately. Or something like that. ;-)
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That's awesome!!! Can't wait for that.
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I'm against this. A deluxe version of an album (NOT to be confused with a remastered version which has essentially the same tracklist in most cases - even though that can also be tricky because i've seen remastered titles with extra songs on them) is a DIFFERENT release. Different tracklist with bonus tracks/extra discs/ different artwork/released years apart from the original album/ has an altogether DIFFERENT label catalog number. it's not hard to see that these should not be considered the same because they're not.
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Elliot

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Hi Hans, (sorry for the 7 month delay in my reply!)
I love the idea of release groups! That way, folk like me who love order can have their album listens neatened up, and purists can still flaunt their superiority in intentionally listening to deluxe and standard versions separately :P
Any idea when we can expect that feature to be released?
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Also realised that this feature will tidy up the recommendations heaps! I have so many recommendations for albums that I've definitely listened to. Abbey Road is one of my most listened albums but because Spotify scrobbles it as the deluxe version, the standard version is coming up in my recommendations saying that I've never listened to it before. 

Having the albums linked together through release versions would improve so many aspects of the Last.fm service :)
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I think I heard that idea back then from one of the developers, it may have been Sachin who has left Last.fm in the meantime. It is clear that this would afford many developer resources, because the necessary changes in the related databases would be extensive. So I don't know if this is still on the list of possible solutions for this issue with different releases under the same name. My personal opinion is that a different track list of an album should be filed as a different release, but sorted and grouped together as one item as well - like MusicBrainz does with their release groups. And as Last.fm counts and shows the listens of their users, the different scrobbles for these releases should be identifiable, but also the overall count for all different releases. But this already sounds like a lot of work when writing about it, so as usual the question will be: is it worth it, what other important work would have to be postponed for it?

I agree that The Beatles are a good example for the chaos different naming causes, not only Abbey Road, but e.g. The White Album which is not even in their Top 10 albums on Last.fm, because there are so many different split-up names for it like (Disc 1), (Disc 2) etc. Same with the two red and blue Best Of compilations divided by release years. Their latest album release of Sergeant Pepper would be another case, as it has a lot of unreleased tracks on a second CD.

Spotify also knows about these issues and even tries to offer a user participation in this, as you might know. But they are tied to what the labels and distributors deliver to them, see the recent explanations of a developer in the related thread about their new Line-In tool.
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I'm against the idea of merging standard versions of album with the deluxe versions.
They're, ultimately, two separate releases.

Personally, sometimes I listen to a deluxe version of an album; other times, I listen to the standard version. That's something I feel should be visual in my library.

Also, deluxe versions of an album often have a different order in the track listing as well as added songs, remixes, etc.

Having them merged would be such a waste.
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A release group does not merge the different versions, it's just a collection of different version of the album. If this is implemented, then the different album scrobbles will still be visible, as wel as a total for the album group. I am for it!
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I agree with Tapenoon and Purple above, I don't want to see standard, deluxe, and other album editions merged from a scrobbling perspective. As Tapenoon correctly points out, they are distinct releases and it's correct that they are treated as such by Last FM. It's the same issue for songs with radio edits, album versions, etc.

The only merging I would approve of would be for instances like "(Deluxe)", "(Deluxe Edition)", "[Deluxe Edition]", "(Deluxe Edition) [Clean]" all being counted as the same album release.

Fundamentally, Last FM should be attempting to record listening stats as precisely as possible, using an accurate catalogue - this site is aimed primarily at stats geeks, no? Detail is more important than perceived tidiness. If you want your scrobbles to be tidier, tidy up your tags.
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By the way, there already seems to be an annoying auto-redirect for scrobbles to the deluxe edition of Justin Timberlake's FutureSex/LoveSounds album to the standard version - really quite annoying. Please turn this off.