New Last.fm scrobbles database

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Hi everyone,

We are beginning to roll out a new scrobbles database. This changes how we store your scrobbles - a big change for us, while to you most things will look the same :)

You will get the following improvements from this:

  • Support for corrections: You can enable and disable corrections properly, with your corrected or uncorrected scrobbles matching in all places

  • Album artists are correctly shown in album views (e.g. the album charts, instead of track artists)

  • Imported plays (e.g. from iTunes, when you first joined) are shown and counted correctly in all views

Please note, as we're gradually rolling out the update, not all of you can see these changes yet.

What you will see:

Your overall scrobble counts should always remain the same.

As a result of the above mentioned improvements, you might see changes to your artist, album and track counts, as well as to scrobble counts of artists, albums and tracks:

  • For example, if you've disabled corrections, your artist, album and track counts usually will go up, and otherwise corrected items will be split up in your charts.

  • Your Loved Tracks now properly support corrections, too. You might see that your Loved Tracks count has decreased when corrections are enabled, as duplicate versions of the same track will have been merged.

  • Where you've previously scrobbled the same album with the same album artist a number of times, you probably would have had these plays split up in your album charts, with the track artists being shown instead. This will now show one album entry, with the album artist as artist. When this happens, you will see a decreased albums count in your library.

  • This also fixes a problem where you could have seen the same album twice in your album charts, with different play counts.

What to do if you notice anything odd:

  • If artists (albums, tracks) have suddenly been split up in your library, check if you have corrections disabled - and if necessary, enable them.

  • If the overall scrobbles count in your library has changed - check if you have imported plays from your media player (when you joined Last.fm; feature available before 2015), these are counted correctly now. The overall scrobbles counts on your profile and in your library should now match.

  • If you notice any slowness in your library, charts or scrobblegraphs not loading - do let us know.

  • If you notice any scrobbles missing or too many - check if any of the above applies, and if not, do let us know.

  • If you have any trouble deleting an artist, album or track from your library - do let us know.

Did you know scrobbling is already turning 16 years old next week? It's been a big journey and our new scrobbles database sets us up for many more years to come. Thanks for scrobbling.

Lots of love,

Team Last.fm
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Great news, looking forward to the roll out reaching me ! Thankyou Laura.
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^ Has anyone managed to fix this issue? Because it's making me want to stop using the site..

Turning off Auto-Correct makes the problem worse.
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I see no evidence it has been fixed or that my particular post has even been acknowledged.  Shortly after it was posted the problem appeared to be fix when I would reload randomly, but the it would revert back.  Of late it does not even fix itself temporarily when I reload.

And another problem of this type has arisen.  Recently I added the album "Orach: The Golden Anniversary Album" by The Tannahill Weavers to my iTunes.  But when it scrobbles it scrobbles as simply "Orach" which has its own Last FM page.

I also am not sure is meant by enabling or disabling correct.  I go to settings and seen an option to "Auto-correct the spelling of your scrobbles" but nothing else.  It makes no difference if I have that boxed checked or not.

Help.  Please.  Somebody!
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I am having the same problem!
My Ryuichi Sakamoto's Async album scrobbles were fine and than they have been split up in two, one with the right tag 坂本龍一 and the other with the wrong Ryuichi Sakamoto tag that usually redirects to the right one when you listen to it. I do not use the wrong tag to listen to this album and my auto correct is enabled. Please, merge them again.
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I hope we (the users) can merge the tags soon. I have the same problem since I started using streaming platforms because they use some weird tags; for example: One of my most listened albums of all time is "Confessions on a dance floor" by Madonna, and on spotify it appears as "Confessions on a dance floor (12 reg. track version" so it is spliting my scrobblings because of an extremely weird tag and we are talking about the same album.
 
It would be great if you guys could fix this and let users apply some changes when it is related, at least on tracks or albums name, not necessary on artists.
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Merging - and un-merging for that matter - would be a great tool to have.
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Pedro P

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OMG, last.fm team thank you very much for this and the whole support team too, who acted almost every week to come and answer me on this, thank you
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Finally! I'm so happy to hear this Laura. Thank you so much for this. I cannot wait to start tracking my listening habits for VA Compilations. Happy birthday Last.FM!
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Great news finally, thank you. I'm adding lots of classical music videos at the moment, and I noticed that I do not see a play button for some freshly added videos in my Recent Tracks when hovering the track, although the video is available on the track page. This happens for Georg Friedrich Händel, so I guess it might have to do with a hidden autocorrection from the English spelling of his name George Frideric Handel? Has the new scrobbles database fixed something related to wrong autocorrections maybe? Here is an example:

https://www.last.fm/music/Georg+Friedrich+Händel/_/Concerto+no.+6+in+B+flat+major+HWV+294:+Andante+a...

I just added the video to that track page, it plays, but checking my Recent Tracks list there is no play button when hovering it. I scrobble it from Spotify where the artist name uses the English spelling, so it very likely is internally autocorrected by Last.fm.

Will wrong redirections be corrected now as well, or does this take more time?

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OK, so now I disabled autocorrections in my website settings, and now Händel is gone, and I see Handel everywhere. But my added videos are gone as well, i.e. the same tracks for George Frideric Handel do not have a video, and I see the usual blue banner on top "Did you mean Georg Friedrich Händel — Concerto no. 6 in B flat major HWV 294: Andante allegro?" So I would to have add the videos again which seems a bit impractical.
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Will wrong redirections be corrected now as well, or does this take more time?
That's what I'm hoping for, too. The incorrect redirections that I'm observing haven't changed much. Scrobbles are still counted for the wrong artists.
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Incorrect redirections cannot be removed or changed yet, and new redirections cannot yet be added. A lot of people have perhaps misunderstood this but this is really a precursor to that rather than the current outcome. For now the only change on the corrections front is that you can now disable corrections for all of your scrobbles again.
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Can somebody make clear about this update - will it solve (anyhow?) situation, when artist changing his name?

For example TRUST become TR/ST and it starts split scrobbles as different artist.
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No, it won't currently do this, Lower Gets.

I believe the intention is to (eventually) have unique artist IDs to cater for artists who share the same name so they will have distinct pages, and I presume a knock-on ability of this would be that any artists changing their name could be aggregated to the same page as their previous releases. That would be the logical extension, anyway.
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Yes, please! Also unique ids for albums, tracks etc.
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@Joel: Try enabling autocorrection in your website settings, this should fix it. See also this announcement about the new scrobbles database.
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That worked like a charm. Thanks a lot.
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For me, it is somewhat still there. Even though they are merged in my own library, it sais I have scrobbled Missionary Man by Ghost 5 times, while the same song by Ghost B.C. has been scrobbled 29 times, when I go into the specific song pages.
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Enabling/Disabling Auto-Correction makes this problem worse for me
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I can't believe this day has finally arrived! Thank you so much for this, now I won't have two tags for 4minute's Crazy in my library never again!! lol that really bothered me.
Just a question: with the new database does this means merging and unmerging tags are currently possible?
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So when will everyone have this?
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David Hassel-the-Hoff

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Finally. I love you.

A question, can we manually edit songs too, and if so, is it only from the last weeks or all time?

And how it is with deluxe editions and remastered editions?
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That would be just like a miracle, I also would love to see sth like this. I have too many overlooked "album artists" which doesn't fit to general artist, and I'd love to correct their scrobbles. Even one by one, I doesn't care.
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Scrobble editing isn't being added as part of this.
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>>>how it is with deluxe editions and remastered editions?

They will remain the same.  This is only changes how your library behaves, not the overall catalogue.
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Thanks for the clarification.

Just to be sure, https://www.last.fm/user/OhNoThatSucks/library/music/Queens+of+the+Stone+Age

https://www.last.fm/user/OhNoThatSucks/library/music/Simple+Minds/+tracks

Some examples from my library. So, would the new scrobbles database merge them all? (thus Lullabies to Paralyze would be number one in my album list.) And the Simple Minds songs, would they be merged into each other too? (Non remaster song and the 2002 remaster ones)

https://www.last.fm/music/The+Beatles/+albums

This for example is also filled with duplicate albums with (remaster) or some variant of them added to the rest. With the new database, are they merged in each other with one version, or still separate?

Sorry for these questions, I'm just curious, haha.




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>>> So, would the new scrobbles database merge them all? (thus Lullabies to Paralyze would be number one in my album list.)

No I'm afraid it won't.  That page will look exactly the same, because there's no catalogue corrections for those albums.  Same for the Beatles.

The ability to add new catalogue corrections to the website (and merge these albums) is not part of this update, but it's a big step towards being able to do so. 

The "What you will see" section of Laura's post above has more details on the actual changes you might see in your library, and it's very possible many users won't see any significant changes, since it's mainly about addressing long standing bugs in the library, like not being able to delete or unlove certain tracks, and the corrections setting not being respected when you turn it off.
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I really like the new handling of imported plays, particularly that they appear as many times as the number of plays they have (rather than just once each) on library pages. Thank you!
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I'm curious if yours have timestamps next to them now?
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The imported plays? No, they just appear as 'unknown date' as they come from before I started scrobbling.

This is how a track page within my library looks like: https://i.imgur.com/ju8WtJH.png
And a library page (i.e. going to Recent Tracks and going 4,000+ pages deep): https://i.imgur.com/6GXdElC.png (they used to be listed in a seemingly-random order but they're indeed in alphabetical order by title now)
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@392414 Thank you kindly for illustrating with screenshots :) Initially, I'd hoped they'd have timestamps after the update, but then I remembered the reason why they're that way from the start. Plus one of the Staff members confirmed my thoughts.
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This is a really great update, guys. Keep up the good work!

As someone else asked, it would be good to know when we can all expect this by so we know to get in touch should we appear to have no changes visible by that time.
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Guilherme, not yet I'm afraid.
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Mine is 'houndworld'
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Houndworld

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But there's nothing in the interface that looks different?
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Neither is your account yet, sorry. :( 

>>>there's nothing in the interface that looks different?

No, just the changes laura outlined in the announcement post above under "What you will see".    
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Thanks Jon.
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It took you many months, but as you mentioned it now, I'm happy you finally worked out all complications. So I write here mostly for sake of shouting you "thank you!" for your work.

(and quietly I wanted to remind this topic, I will look at these scrobbles after change, so be ready for any new message if new database won't work in this case :P)

And my personal note now, 1492 artists in library, I won't scrobble anything new till new database will drop in. Let's hope for the best!
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So what about songs that are supposed to be duets but Spotify only scrobbles the first artist of the song and album, most notable example right now being the song "Shallow" wich is performed by both Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper but Spotify only scrobbles it on Lady Gaga? Will they be redirected to the page of the duo?
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Not at the moment as we still can't add, change or remove redirections. It's planned that down the line we'll be able to fix cases like this.
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https://i.paste.pics/26fa95651cfc9c6b90757dc7623a8fbb.png
https://i.paste.pics/1e72fba422706da471e483862aa45d58.png

Just to clarify: is it connected with your database switching?

So far I've found only one example.


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I think it is the kind of problem I have too. I wrote about it on a page 5 about Limp Bizkit.
https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/new-last-fm-scrobbles-database?topic-reply-list[settings][...
I will be very grateful if last.fm team will fix it for me :)
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Please can you make it so we can correct incorrect tracks. It is impossible to change streaming services ID3 tags. I have scrobbled the same album from many services and ended up with Special Edition, Limited Edition, Horse Edition, Unreleased German Silent Edition, etc...

I just want to be able to click it and say correct to, and then point to a correct track title in last fm, and have that track title replace the one that was scrobbled for everytime I scrobble that incorrect track/album/artist name again.
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I have just noticed that I seem to have this update applied to my profile, so thank you!

The good: my previous plays of Various Artist albums seem to be collated correctly on my charts (n.b. where I have resubmitted at the time the same info from my file tags via The Universal Scrobbler). However...

The bad: during current playback of compilation albums, it's doing the same behaviour as before, i.e. each play is being attributed to the album name under each individual artist. FYI, I have enabled autocorrection and that hasn't made any difference, also this is a problem whether I'm scrobbling on my (Windows) PC or my iPhone with the respective official scrobblers.
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I am also having this problem with the compilation albums. It scrobbles correctly if I use Open Scrobbler (https://openscrobbler.com/scrobble/song), but it fails to read the album artist if I use Last.fm's scrobbler on iTunes... Damn guys, can't you fix this?
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Yes, this is a known issue with the desktop scrobbler v3 & iTunes that we're currently investigating, it's not related to the new database (though it's more obvious now that we're showing this data correctly).  
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Ah OK, that's good to know but just to reiterate, this is also a problem with the iOS scrobbler app, not just the desktop scrobbler.
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Hopefully it will be fixed soon, I had to replace a lot of scrobbles thinking that it would no longer be an issue.
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A suggestion / query.

I'm sure I won't be alone in having only scrobbled certain artists from compilation artists rather than singles/EPs/albums by the actual artist. Unless this update is not fully rolled out, such artists currently list in our libraries like so:





I would suggest (if it's not already on the cards to implement) that it should/would look better like the below image, which is stylistically in-keeping with how alternate-artists are listed when on another artist's album:


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Today I noticed that my charts are displaying albums by the album artist for Various Artists releases, thankyou to all the staff at last.fm that were involved, really appreciate the hard work you do that we do & don't see. 
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Official Response
Thanks for your feedback everyone, we've rolled this out to all users now.  With that in mind, I want to try and clarify a change we've made that's come up a few times, but isn't mentioned in the original post, concerning artist corrections and newer releases:  

  • Where there were previously corrections that only existed in the library, but not in the catalogue - these have been undone, so that the corrections seen in the library match those seen in the catalogue. This fixes numerous bugs people have been experiencing (e.g. not being able to delete scrobbles, not being able to unlove tracks, certain artists / albums appearing twice in the charts, other corrections weirdness, etc).
We didn't mention this before, because it's somewhat complicated to explain, and appears as a regression even though we have valid reasons for doing it. 

So what does this actually mean?

If you scrobble music from an artist that's corrected to something else (e.g. Utada Hikaru which corrects to 宇多田ヒカル ), you will find that their newer tracks and albums (mid 2015 onwards) are still displayed in your library under the 'noredirect' spelling. 

If you're used to how corrections work on the site (especially in the past), this might seem counter-intuitive, so I'm going to use an example: 

If I scrobble  by Utada Hikaru on Spotify, it will scrobble on my profile as 宇多田ヒカル.  This is because we already have a catalogue correction for that track, which you can view here (notice that it redirected you to the correct spelling).

Now, if I scrobble  by Utada Hikaru on Spotify (from the 2016 album Fantôme), it scrobbles on my profile as Utada Hikaru — 道.  This is because we don't yet have a catalogue correction for that track yet,as you can see here (notice that it doesn't correct you to the right page, even though the artist page is corrected).


Shouldn't artist corrections just automatically apply to all tracks?


Conceptually yes, but in practise no. As the Last.fm Catalogue corrections dataset is static and can't be edited, we can't map existing artist corrections to their new tracks yet -- as soon as we're able to do this, this problem will fix itself. 

Note that we will still count those scrobbles under the corrected spelling (e.g. 宇多田ヒカル) in your artist chart. So the main place you're going to notice this issue is under your recent tracks, top tracks, and top albums.  Top artists shouldn't be affected, and anything that was already in the Last.fm catalogue before we relaunched the website in 2015 should be displayed under the correct name. 

Again this will only affect new music from artists where you're scrobbling the uncorrected / noredirect spelling (e.g. k-pop and j-pop artists played in Spotify, but any new release scrobbled with the noredirect spelling).  We will fix this, but sorry for any inconvenience caused in the meantime.


Why is this happening at all? 

For clarity, I'm going to grossly simplify the actual technical reasons, but in essence: to display your scrobbled data correctly and efficiently, your user library and the Last.fm catalogue each maintain their own separate version of the corrections mapping dataset.  When we relaunched the website in August 2015, a problem resulted in these two sets of corrections to fall out of sync with each other, i.e. the library had corrections that the catalogue didn't know about, and vice versa.  

This caused the vast majority of the problems people have been reporting over the last 3 years, such as not being able to unlove or delete tracks; artists and albums appearing twice in your library; tracks and albums not being clickable, etc.  It also prevented us from finishing the catalogue project, which would allow us add new corrections to the site, and remove bad ones.  So even though the library was doing the right thing in some cases, it was doing it in the wrong way, and causing serious problems with user libraries and the catalogue as a whole.  

To fix this, we first need to ensure that the library and catalogue corrections datasets are properly in sync again, and that's what this change does, even though it's going to look wrong for some releases.  The next step to fully fixing this is to complete work on the Last.fm Catalogue so that we can start applying artist corrections to their new tracks.  Once that's that done, these problems should be fixed for good, however I don't have a timeline for when exactly we're going to address that part of the work yet (we're still monitoring the rollout of the new database, and the new catalogue page design).  Thanks for your understanding and patience in the meantime.
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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, Jon, but why do our libraries and the Last FM catalogue need/have different correction datasets?

The next step to fully fixing this is to complete work on the Last.fm
Catalogue so that we can start applying artist corrections to their new tracks.
What percentage of the catalogue remains incomplete? I realise you've said you don't have a timeline but do you not even have a rough estimate, e.g. next summer or even Christmas 2019? I'm guessing from the vagueness that there's still a fair amount of work to do on it.
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I noticed today that the total artist count on my profile and in my library is stuck. When I discover a new artist it doesn't increase, and the artist page shows 0 Scrobbles despite it appearing in my library. 

This is with auto-correct turned off (was working fine until now). If I enable auto-correct my artist count goes up as normal and Scrobbles are displayed correctly on the pages for those new artists. 
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Thanks for the heads-up, corrected charts are indeed experiencing a delay at the moment while we're fixing up something. Your scrobbles are there and you should be seeing them in charts soon when they catch up.

Cheers,
Laura
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Okay, thanks! 
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Can you just change some things back to how they used to be? I dont understand the purpose of some of the changes that were made. For example, I understand that Ke$ha has changed to Kesha, but for the purposes of organization can you just keep all of her songs under Ke$ha, or all under Kesha? It doesnt make sense to have 2 seperate artists when its the same person. Same for Travis Scott, I think at this point it should just be kept to Travi$ Scott or just make everything Travis Scott. Also, for the next update can you make it so we can decide for ourselves how to organize our music? I think this would fix alot of the recurring issues people post on here. I have spent alot of time on this site trying to organize my music and with every new update comes more issues than solutions it seems. Maybe allow us to edit scrobbles or be able to fix album names so we can group all songs together? For example, if a song is released as a single before an album comes out, being able to edit these scrobbles so the total album plays are accurate? Just some ideas. This site is amazing byt these little bugs is making it extremely frustrating. The autocorrect option all together is just a mess!! 
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Maybe allow us to edit scrobbles or be able to fix album names so we can group all songs together? For example, if a song is released as a single before an album comes out, being able to edit these scrobbles so the total album plays are accurate?
Seconded. I suspect, should it come to fruition, it'll be a subscriber benefit - I'd probably advise it, tbh, as it should help minimise abuse.
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>>>Can you just change some things back to how they used to be?  I dont understand the purpose of some of the changes that were made.

Even though it did some things right (sort of), the old scrobble database was fundamentally broken and prevented us from fixing long term problems (like adding new catalogue corrections). This is why it was replaced.

>>>For example, I understand that Ke$ha has changed to Kesha, but for the purposes of organization can you just keep all of her songs under Ke$ha, or all under Kesha? It doesnt make sense to have 2 seperate artists when its the same person.

You're right, and we want to create a correction from Ke$ha to Kesha, but we can't do this yet because the last.fm catalogue in its current state doesn't support adding new catalogue corrections, or removing old/bad ones. Updating the scrobbles database was the first step in fixing this problem, the next step is to make changes to the catalogue to support adding / editing of corrections.  Once that's done your Kesha scrobbles will be fixed.
 
But for now, Kesha's old and new records are showing up under different names in your library.  Same with Travis Scott and any artist that has changed their name since mid 2015.  We're sorry for the inconvenience caused by this in the meantime, we are planning to fix this.

>>>Maybe allow us to edit scrobbles or be able to fix album names so we can group all songs together?

Yep, this is also in development.

>>> I suspect, should it come to fruition, it'll be a subscriber benefit - I'd probably advise it, tbh, as it should help minimise abuse.

Yes, I expect it will.
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Thank you so much for your response! I dont intend to sound rude when I post these, I just get really frustrated on here sometimes, im sorry! This site has soooo much potential to be amazing and it is amazing, but every once in a while something comes up that makes it so frustrating. Im glad to hear about the ability to make scrobble edits being in development, i think that will solve alot of problems! If we are able to manually edit an artists name or edit the spelling of scrobbles, that would absolutely fix just about every issue I have faced on here. I would not mind paying to use that service at all!