Question about the artwork displayed next to tracks in Library

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I realise a lot of work is being done on the database at the moment, so perhaps this question/suggestion will be automatically addressed by that, but currently the tracks in our libraries show semi-random artwork. Is there an intention to make it so that the associated album with the most plays of that particular track will be shown.

FWIW and on a side note, I also liked the way the old library showed you the various albums you had played each track from - will this be coming back?

Anyway, this is possibly easier to explain with pics. This is the current state of how the library lists some of my tracks:

And this is how it should look if it was a more accurate representation of my listening:
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Usually the art comes from the most popular album, but it doesn't seem to be the case always. An example:
http://www.last.fm/music/Mare/_/They+Sent+You
http://www.last.fm/music/Mare/_/They+Sent+You/+albums
This song is connected to two albums; the album it was released on (Mare), and some other random compilation album without art. The song's 'main album' has become that random compilation album, but it seems to have both less scrobbles and listeners than the Mare album. So why go with the compilation album as main? It does have lots of other songs on it with lots if scrobbles, maybe that is taken into consideration as well. Or perhaps the main album was chosen and set in stone at a time when the compilation album had more scrobbles/listeners, although I doubt that.

I know they are working on a huge update to their catalogue system
https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/website-update-9th-march?topic-reply-list[settings][filter...
So maybe things will change then.
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This is a great idea, but the dev in me can't see it happening any time soon.  The amount of computation that would need to happen just to view a list of tracks/artist would be pretty huge, plus it'd need to be updated regularly, and because it's not generic it'd be harder to cache.  Wouldn't be impossible though, so would be really cool if they could work out an efficient way of doing it.

TBH, right now I'd just be happy to see any image for some songs.  If the artist has an image and the album doesn't, there's no good reason why it doesn't fall back to using the artist's main image.
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There is a good reason and that is multiple artists with the same name.
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The album is linked to an artist. The artwork doesn't show because there's no artwork. How could they get confused as to which artist the song belongs to?  I think we're talking about different scenarios.
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@Chris I'm not a dev, but I understand what you're saying. However, the old site was already doing this computation, wasn't it? When you had a track in your library from more than one album, it would always list the associated album you had listened to it most from first. So if the old, allegedly inferior, site could do it, I'm not sure there's any justification for this new supposedly superior iteration of Last FM being able to do the same...

As for our champ @svilcans' comment, I don't see how that has any bearing on the matter we/I am talking about.
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Did it? Then maybe this is something that's already been puzzled out and not ported across to the new site yet.

I thought that generally it just used the image of the most popular album associated with that song sitewide, rather than taking into account your own scrobble counts.  If I'm wrong, cool!
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In case it's not clear, it didn't also show images next to each track in the old library, but it was already calculating the album the track had the most associated plays from by how it listed the albums you had listened to it from.
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As far as I know the code that tried to figure out the album a track is from was deactivated and not it just works like the old site (just use whatever you use in you tags).
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It may very well be a simple coincidence, but here's another reason for those missing or wrong images that appear next to songs in your library:
I had this situation in my library with Jean Michel Jarre's album "Equinoxe": song titled "Equinoxe part 1" had a different picture than the album because of the video included in this song's page ! (the picture that I see near this song is also the static picture of the youtube clip embedded in this song's page).
Other song (Equinoxe part 7) had such a video in it's page but this video is no longer available from youtube site itself, and thus it appears as with no picture at all.

Of course, this may be a simple coincidence. Can you check you have similar problem with those songs in your library ?
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So did anyone reach an actual answer? Is it all or nothing on the users' side or just nothing on the corporation's side?
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That depends on what you want. If you just want to add missing albums covers you can indeed fix it yourself by uploading them.
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Understand Tiffany’s reluctance and advice, she lost 30,000 tracks in an argument with a mod. last July, was promised it would come back after a week on a reset and never did. No help, nothing.

I have taken a lot of crap for art, simple art, so please if it is on my end have someone explain to me how to fix it, and I am fairly good with a pc.

does this look right? http://www.last.fm/user/pinkpinkpink999/library/tracks?page=3&date_preset=LAST_30_DAYS

Check the whole library i.e. live material --- NIN no cover-art? It was not missing this much art as pre-beta and I could fix tracks several ways; it has been like this since August 2015 ---we have lost the functions to fix things on our own. 

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Looking at http://www.last.fm/user/pinkpinkpink999/library/albums?date_preset=LAST_30_DAYS I see that some albums are without covers. Perhaps it would be an idea to make sure all albums have covers first.

Some of the album names also look very strange. What software do you use for tag management? My recommendation is https://picard.musicbrainz.org/
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I already mentioned this in another post above, and here is some proof:
This song: "Kai Randy Michel — Cyclops Headquarter" is on an album (http://www.last.fm/music/Kai+Randy+Michel/Hammer+&+Amboss+EP) that did not had an image.
I had uploaded a few minutes ago the official cover (taken from their official page at bandcamp) and still it does not appear on that user's page even after a few refreshes.
It seems the system has it's peculiarities and sometimes it does NOT present the image near the song even if you add that picture to the album.

Any hints about what's going on ?
It's not that it works bad always: sometimes (as in this example) it goes wrong.

Perhaps when you investigate it back, it will come to display the image, but believe me, at the moment I'm writing this, it is not displayed.
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It works for me now. Could just be that the image server needed some time to process it.
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On a positive note; finally some feedback!

“We” have complained about quality and another repeated/unanswered complaint is if the art is not recognized as a cover; it uploads into images for artist? You see my frustration? No one until today in maybe close to 4 months has answered any of my questions since the update that was to fix most of this.

You asked me about tags, I like or don’t like. I just want an orderly library and art
helps a great deal. This is for sure: I did not have any of these problems that I could not fix with some small exceptions before August 15. 2015.

I realise I don't listen to music within the "norm," but forgotten is that web scrobbler, no one has that but Last FM.
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If it already works it is no point in fixing it.
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If you upload album covers for the albums they will (if the image server isn't down) have album covers. If you have weird album names only you use and you never upload an album cover image it will not get one by magic, you will have to put in some work yourself. Please go to http://www.last.fm/user/username/library/albums and check to see if you have album images for your albums.

MusicBrainz has to do with track listings et.c., not album covers. But if you tag your music using something like http://picard.musicbrainz.org/ the odds of getting your tags right and thus something someone already uploaded an album image for is vastly improved.
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Hmm... @Ronbozo ... what do you expect svilcans to understand ?
For instance, I don't understand what exactly do you say here: "to stop treating it as an image and as a cover"
What exactly do you mean ?
Or do you mean anything at all ?
Do you find any difference between an "image" and a "cover" ?
If so, what, and where ?

I try to imagine that you wish that albums have a special category of image, called "cover image" ? If so you are wrong. This is not so now, and more, never was like this !
The official cover images of albums were simple images added on the site either by users or by artists themselves through Music Manager .
If you did such thing through Music Manager for you artist, I think you misunderstood everything you had done here. You only added a simple image to the album's list of images.
Yes, the vast majority of images added for albums are indeed official covers, but this doesn't mean anything special -- those images are simple images.

So, take your time and try to write with more than 2-3 words what is it that you want.
If you continue this robotic-like conversation, you will never get anything good back (and yes, svilcans is similar to you in his responses).
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Could someone please just answer there three questions in plain English without rant and conspiracy theories:
1. What do you do?
2. What is the expected result?
3. What happens instead?

Please provide links where relevant.
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I would still like this to be implemented at some point. I hate how the artwork is often random/wrong or just plain nonexistent - I'd rather no artwork was displayed (i.e. a text list of tracks) than something unrelated.
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Some kind of official comment about this problem/idea would be appreciated, if possible.
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It depends where you're scrobbling from / your id3 tags.  The intended behaviour is that it shows the album art of the specific album you scrobbled.  For example, f you scrobble the single, ep, live, or greatest hits version of a song, it should display that particular release's artwork.

However there are some cases (particularly with compilations) where corrections may mess that up, but I'm expecting this to be better when we deploy the new scrobble storage database.  If you have a specific example where you're definitely scrobbling from one album and it's showing as part of a completely different album, we can test against that.

Where this most likely won't work (and can't fix any time soon) is the last.fm radio stations, since depending on your playback source, it sometimes matches songs from our catalogue with obscure greatest hits / best of compilations in spotify's catalogue.  We'd need a perfect 1:1 match of our catalogue with Spotify's, which we don't currently have.
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Ah sorry, I obviously didn't explain it very well. I don't mean the artwork that sits next to tracks in my scrobble history under https://www.last.fm/user/_/library. This is displaying correctly. I meant the default artwork that displays next to tracks in our library under Artists.

Here's the list of tracks in my library for Janet Jackson as an illustration of what I mean, with a mock-up of what I'm hoping/asking about:
 

On the old version of Last FM, each track in our libraries would list the album we had scrobbled it the most from, then there was a "show more" or "expand" option that listed in descending order any other albums we'd scrobbled that track from. So clearly this information used to be displayed for everyone, just without the artwork element.
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Thanks for clarifying.

The tracks section reflects multiple scrobbles from potentially different albums -- obviously we have to pick one in a sensible (efficient) way. The image we use is the one we use on the track's page, informed by the most popular album, ordered by listener count.  

e.g. 

https://www.last.fm/music/Janet+Jackson/_/Escapade
https://www.last.fm/music/Janet+Jackson/_/Escapade/+albums
https://www.last.fm/music/Janet+Jackson/_/What+Have+You+Done+for+Me+Lately/+albums

Unfortunately that does mean that certain 'Best of' compilations may take priority over the canonical album release.  This is something we can probably work on improving at some point, as I too would prefer it to display the original album a track belongs to, rather than a best of.  We're making some changes to track pages, so I'll ask if something can be done about that (it should affect the library also).

>>>On the old version of Last FM, each track in our libraries would list the album we had scrobbled it the most from, then there was a "show more" or "expand" option that listed in descending order any other albums we'd scrobbled that track from. 

Took me some digging on the wayback machine to find some pages to compare.

This is the old track page: https://web.archive.org/web/20130617173725/http://www.lastfm.se/user/RJ/library/music/Dire+Straits/_...  (You'll need to translate it in your browser)
This is what it looks like now: https://www.last.fm/user/RJ/library/music/Dire+Straits/_/Sultans+of+Swing

It's the same data, just laid slightly differently.  

This is the old artist overview page:  https://web.archive.org/web/20130521005633/http://www.lastfm.ru/user/RJ/library/music/Rodriguez?from...  (again, you'll need to translate it)
Compared with the new: https://www.last.fm/user/RJ/library/music/Rodriguez?from=1359025598&rangetype=3month

Perhaps this is what you were thinking of?

Under the tracks section you can see that we list all albums a particular track has been scrobbled from (in this example Sugar Man has been scrobbled from 'Cold Fact' and 'Searching for Sugar Man').  We don't do this anymore, as this data is displayed on the track library page.  

However, as far as I can see or remember, we've never counted which album in a user's library a given track has the most plays for. If you remember it being displayed differently on the old site (e.g. with janet jackson), the only difference I can think of is that on the old site, it was possible for staff on the music team to manually flag an album as a track's primary album (which we no longer do).
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Thanks for the reply, Jon!

So the track page has actually changed very little! I didn't realise this.
This is the old artist overview page:  https://web.archive.org/web/20130521005633/http://www.lastfm.ru/user/RJ/library/music/Rodriguez?from...  (again, you'll need to translate it)
Compared with the new: https://www.last.fm/user/RJ/library/music/Rodriguez?from=1359025598&rangetype=3month

Perhaps this is what you were thinking of?
Yes! Exactly this!

However, as far as I can see or remember, we've never counted which album in a user's library a given track has the most plays for.
Unfortunatly, in the example you've found here for 'Sugar Man' on RJ's profile, we can't tell for definite. They could be listed alphabetically ("Cold Fact" would come before "Searching for Sugar Man") but it could also be listed (which I'm almost certain it was) by scrobble count - by May 2013, RJ had scrobbled 'Sugar Man' twice from "Cold Fact" but only once from "Searching for Sugar Man". :-(

Not sure how you managed to find this page on the wayback machine, but if we could find another example of the old artist overview, we might find out either way for sure. I tried looking for my own page but couldn't work out how to find a inner library page snapshot.

I have to say, seeing the old library layout I still prefer it like that. You can see the album artwork at a better resolution and actually it shows that you don't visually need some associated artwork next to tracks. In fact, bearing in mind how arbitrary the associated artwork is, there's an argument for removing it - although I get that it's to do with visual consistency, as it mirrors the layout of the albums above and the artist list at the level above. As I say, (and I hate being that guy harping on about the old Last FM but...) I personally think it was a much better design and visually more pleasing.

Anyway, worst case scenario for the artwork, I think it would be great if Last FM could at the very least mark-up compilation albums as something to ignore when assigning the artwork (e.g. If artist="Various Artists", Then ignore - this wouldn't help with Greatest Hits album, but it would be a step in the right direction).