Scrobbling official tracks that are below the 30 second threshold?

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I was just wondering whether you were considering/had considered enabling the ability to scrobble tracks below your arbitrary 30-second threshold?

Perhaps you could add an additional rule that says if a track is shorter than 30 seconds but has an official listing on an album page or on one of your music database resources, such as MusicBrainz, then it will scrobble? It just seems a little odd to me how official tracks - even if generally they may be intros, interludes and outros - fall through the void because they just happen to be short.

Just a thought...
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Yes, this has been bothering me as well throughout the years and I like your suggestion. +1
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tl;dr whatever just do it, last.fm but give me my charts back first :p

I always believed this was to counter people scrobbling a bunch of super short tracks to get their counts up (i.e. cheating).

This seems like a tougher problem than fixing the awful tags as they need to find a way to detect illegitimate scrobbles as there are legitimate tracks that are like, 10 seconds long too. You might be able to fix this with the universal scrobbler but I'm not sure. Also, you might be able to scrobble them if you edit them in audacity or some other audio editing program and extend it past 30 seconds and scrobble it that way. I'm not sure about that either though, I've never tried before. Hardly a fantastic solution but it's the best I can think of.

The system is already abused anyway, I wouldn't really care if it got worse. I'm only really concerned with user stats (well, used to be before beta anyway), not so much artist ones. So yeah, allow short tracks.

"Yo baby, I'm the top listener of that band you love on last.fm." The rationale I assume is behind cheating on last.fm.
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I think the reasoning you suggest is likely correct. It's like those numpties who think they've achieved something by being "First!" comment on something.
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I also agree with this as well because allot of the Pornogrind Stuff that I scrobble is less that 30 seconds long. I had actually seen Songs by some of these Pornogrind or Grindcore Bands as short as 10 seconds in length. Yet, they get skipped in the Album Scrobbling. Which seems wrong since that short track is still a part of that Artist's Album and therefore, it certainly should be Scrobbled over as the full Track-list of that Album. Now that I think about it, I have even seen Songs less than 10 seconds long. Not very many but still, they are out there and should be recognized in the Music Scrobbles!
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There must have been an exception, see this famous shortest song ever:
http://www.last.fm/music/Napalm+Death/_/You+Suffer
It is under 1 second but has been scrobbled over 38500 times.
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Way back in the day, there was a little play button next to every song that an artist/label had uploaded and made available on Last.fm, which played a 30 second preview on that song (you could go to the song page and stream or even download the song if the artist/label had enabled it). I just figured they disallowed the scrobbling of tracks 30 seconds or less, partly to prevent you from racking up a ton of plays this way, partly because if it scrobbled, they'd have to pay royalties tot he artist every time you listened to a 30 second preview of their music.
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this was because of the 30 seconds preview in Itunes. I believe this still excists...
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But the iTunes preview is now 90 seconds for regular length songs....
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I know. I was just commenting on the remark that it had to do with the last.fm play button.
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It has (or rather had) everything to do with the Last.fm play button. Up until about 2009 (possibly later, I don't recall now) if there was a play button next to a track, you could press it and stream a 30 second preview off of Last.fm (if the uploader had enabled it in the Music Manager and not a full length preview). That's pretty much what I said in my original comment.
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I know right? I wanna be able to scrobble interludes/intros with less then 30 seconds



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Something new concernig this issue? As exposed above (30 seconds preview is no longer available) it would be nice to be able to scrobble songs shorter than 30 seconds.
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onnovdw

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With the new catalogue we should be able to do this! Please respond last.fm...
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If this gets added, can we at least have an option to prevent songs under 30 seconds not to be scrobbled specifically for you under a settings menu?

Not gonna lie but I don't like the idea of short songs (anything less than 30 seconds) to be added to my play count.
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It could be a checkbox under your settings menu, like auto-correct?
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James L.

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This
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why? listening to a 20 second song still means you listened to the song, right?
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Hmm ... Not quite so :-)
For instance, try to listen to this song:
http://www.last.fm/music/Semblant/_/Dark+of+the+Day
What can you tell about it just from the first 20 seconds ?
Surely you'd not say it's a rock (metal) song, right ?

I can find a lot many other songs like that...

On the other hand, I also have "lost" some legitimate scrobbles because the songs themselves where genuinely less than 30 seconds long.

I think this requires more than our simple desire for this :-) (I still consider there has to be a low limit in the duration in order for it order for it to be scrobbled, but I also wish to have some exceptions to such a rule).
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hi cornel, I was actually talking about the songs that are genuinely less than 30 seconds long. for all other songs last.fm scrobbles when at least 50% of the length has played, which I think is fair
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please