Songs with the same title scrobbled as the same song

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There are a few interludes on the album with the same artist that don't have a title. They have ID3 tags with the title "Untitled" so "Untitled" shows up as getting scrobbled six times when I listen to the album. It's quickly becoming my most listened-to track. But the track numbers are different, I feel like this should be taken into account when scrobbling. It's tracks 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12. It shouldn't count as one track being played six times.
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He's dead, Jim!

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Untitled tracks should not be scrobbled at all.
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Why not? I've listened to plenty of artists who made their tracks "untitled". It's just the name of the song, why not be able to scrobble something just because it's titled a certain way?
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That's racist!
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Sigh.. svilcans strikes again.
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The tracks have titles, it just so happens that those titles are "Untitled" (without quotes) in all cases.
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Cornel Diaconu

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Wasn't it supposed to give also information about Artist and Album also ? :-)

Anyway, there's nothing to do about your issue; since the artist himself/herself did not considered necessary to make a distinction between those interludes (as in naming them different, like Interlude 1, Interlude 2, Interlude 3 a.s.o.) you can't do anything.
Only if you have the music as mp3 files, and decide to change yourself those title tags for these interlude songs, and then scrobble them like that.

P.S. check artist Schiller, for example (http://www.last.fm/music/Schiller). The most scrobbled song is "Wilkommen"; but .... a lot of his albums have the first track named "Wilkommen"; so, you see here that this song is number one, but you can't see which of the songs Wilkommen has the larger amount of songs (which one, from which album); if he would've decided to distinct these starting songs (as in adding album name alongside with the first song name, we could have such differences available).
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I can't change the files because I'm seeding them. But the song DOES have a track number and album. How come last.fm treats different track numbers (and different albums) as the same song? For example, other albums have re-recordings of the same song with the same title, wouldn't that get scrobbled as the same song again?

That seems like an indefensible approach because 99% of artists don't know that last.fm exists and won't care to follow last.fm guidelines for song titles.
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Cornel Diaconu, the ID3 tags are not identical, the ID3 "Track" tag is different.

Frankenrin, it's already treated different if it's called "Song name (live)" or "Song name (remix)" or "Song name (Bonus Track)" or "Song name (Demo)"

and if it's on different albums, it would be very stupid to treat "Outro" as the same song because something like 5% of my albums have that exact song name as the last song of the album

Musicbrainz has the track title as "..." for all of them, btw
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Oh, I don't know why are so reluctant in giving that bit of details that could make your issue clearer, and avoid any confusions that can arise (as it may be the case now, with what I understood).
So, the exact situation to your case is like this: songs are titled ... how ? (on the CD cover, if you have them as such)
And you expect to have those songs on last.fm titled as ... how ?
You said even Musicbrainz have them as "...", so I'm just curious about this.


On the other hand, if ARTIST have 5 albums, ALBUM1, ALBUM2, ALBUM3, ALBUM4 and ALBUM5, and all these albums have a track called OUTRO ... there is nothing stupid at all to have the song OUTRO scrobbled 5 times ! If anything at all, is may be stupid from the artist to name that song simply that, without any sort of differentiation between albums (and none of these 5 albums is a compilation or a best of)...
You will have 5 scrobbles for the song OUTRO, but when you check the history of this song, you will definitely see when it was scrobbled for ALBUM2 and when it was for ALBUM5 (there will be different dates/hours); but other than that, yes, you will have 5 scrobbles for this song, with this name.
I don't find that stupid at all; do you really, really think it is ?

And anyway, as Frankenrin already pointed out, there are a looot of situations when an artist simply have a successful song with the same title on various official albums (original album, various "best of" albums , a.s.o.). It's very common to have a song with scrobbles from different albums, so I am pretty puzzled about what do you consider to be incorrect.
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The interludes are not listed on the CD cover at all: http://i020.radikal.ru/1311/de/32e5865c7ba0.jpg
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Auch ... that looks not good, than.
I mean, if even on the cover they are not written, but on the same time, those "songs" have more than 30 seconds long and thus get to be scrobbled ... I can't come with any bright idea at all. It's a very unusual situation, anyway.

If you're not playing that album directly from the audio CD, I would try this myself, if I'd be in your place: have those songs rip-ed to mp3 files, and those interludes I'd give them some names to my liking (something as in "Interlude 1", "interlude 2" a.s.o.).
And thus I'd play + scrobble them.
Even if this is not really the official playlist for this album.

P.S. By any chance, if you try to play directly the audio CD, the music software that you use doesn't identify those interludes with any title at all ?
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No, I play from my mp3, but I am also seeding those files to other people at the same time, so I can't change the ID3 tags without breaking the torrent.
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Ah, I just wanted to emphasize an album with identical issue as you have:
http://www.last.fm/music/Gandalf/Visions

As you can see, there's a track called "Theme" that's on positions 3,5,7,10,12,14
But not as displayed on that page on last.fm (as if they are all identical, 50 seconds long) , but as in here:
http://musicbrainz.org/release/35468dda-d3bf-4ec3-9590-ec0101dff8f2

Despite being named "Theme" all over, it IS different, and even as length is regarded (well, 2 of them are even shorter than the 30 seconds limit on last.fm, and thus those 2 are not scrobbled actually !)
Being like this, this song got one of the largest number of scrobbles from this artist ... and there's really nothing I can do about it (technically I could change that ID3 tag, but I chose not to do it).

Only the artist is to "blame" for his lack of inspiration when naming these interludes.
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I have similar problem. The band I am scrobbling has many albums, also many 'untitled' tracks. I play the music from vinyl, after srobbling with Vinyl Scrobbler or The Universal Scrobbler. After I see the scrobbled tracks, and they all go under one other 'untitled', which is actually even from another album! So Last.FM cannot even recognize the correct album which I am scrobbling. Somehow Last.FM uses always the same default 'untitled' track for all 'untitled' tracks of the same artist. And that default tracks becomes the most listened track by me :( I am quite sure there's nothing to do... except to scrobble tracks manually from mp3 versions with another track name (for example 'album name + track number') - but that's too much. I am not yet so deeply geek! (I wonder if anyone is).
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Honestly, I don't see anything that can be done in this respect.
I mean, if the artist is so narrow-minded as to name 6 out of 15 tracks "Theme" on his album ... how could last.fm differentiate between them ?
As for your situation, it's even more ridiculous ... "Untitled" ?!?  That artist(s) couldn't even take the time to give some name to those tracks ?
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I wouldn't blame the artist here. They made an album, gave a name for that, and the tracks go under the name of the album then (that's how I think it), tracks are just parts of the album itself. I think Last.fm should read the track album, and like that to give each 'untitled' track their own page (because each track has anyway different lenght). Even if I have album name correctly in track information - it still goes for the default 'untitled' (which is from another album!). That's the bug.
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Mmmnnnot quite so.
I mean, if you go to your library to the track "Untitled" you'll see which scrobbles were made from "album 1", which are from "album2", when were they scrobbled, a.s.o.
But when it comes to the TOTAL scrobbles for that track "Untitled" I don't see a proper differentiation possible.

You (and me, in my above case) may be the only source of differentiation: you can manually edit each instance of "Untitled" before scrobbling them, and make it like "Album 1- Untitled" or "Untitled (album1") or something like that, even if this contradicts official catalogue sources like Muscbrainz.

Really, artist is the culprit, allright -- I blame them for being too lazy to name their tracks.
Say you like very much one variant of those "Untitled", and decide to give some words of appreciation to the artist. How do you refer to it, for instance when you try to praise it on artist's site, or youtube channel ?
"Untitled" number X from album Z ?
Common ... don't you find this absurd ?
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I go to my 'recent tracks', I click the 'Untitled' track, and it goes to the track page, but it's 'Untitled' from the other album of the same band. That's what I call 'default untitled track' (for that artist, and I think every band has their own default track for similar cases). The album which I was listening, is actually on that band's 'Albums' area, but there the tracks are called 'album name 1' & 'album name 2'... so the scrobbler doesn't find that album automatically, before who ever first created that album page, made the track names differently (like for example how it appears on Discogs; which is my source for album infos). That same band has a real mess on their last.fm Albums-page... many variations of the same album 'album name', 'album name CD version', 'album name 1' etc. Real nightmare. I wish it could be possible to edit the pages, like it is possible in Discogs.

For your other question... I would call the tracks like 'second track from album x', etc. I didn't see yet album where "Untitled" would be really written to the album. They are just without name totally.
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Yeah, there is a difference between an untitled track and a track which is titled "Untitled". But the problem is that this is hard to distinguish for Last.fm. In most cases a track with the title "Untitled" has a different name and scrobbling it with a wrong name would mess up the database. I agree that the scrobbler should record more metadata like additional ID3 tags and the actual listening time to make this kind of delicate distinction possible. Also there is a project like AcoustID to read the fingerprint of a song to identify it directly.