Spotify's atrocious tags

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Spotify has some of the most atrocious tags ever. :/ I often avoid playing things with such tags (anything with a hyphen where parenthesis should be, for example). It screws with stats and they're ugly. Can something be implemented to correct improperly tagged stuff scrobbled from spotify faster/more effectively than the old system? Other sources as well of course, spotify just seems to be the worst offender to me.
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While I'd like there to be a simple answer I am afraid that there isn't. Who decides what is correct punctuation? Even official physical pressings from record companies have different punctuation  especially with hyphens, commas, and colons. Spotify may take precedence because regardless of how accurate it may be to what you think the punctuation should be it is well established. The old site had the "suggest a correction" feature which I thought was great as it seemed to me that the most common punctuation would become standard and if it wasn't what I had so be it.

Now something that I do think could help remedy this would be to allow you to modify how a track is scrobbled or appears in your library. Perhaps let you modify a scrobble's track data/tags within 24 hours or 48 hours of scrobbling to fix typos and other errors from other websites/scrobbles. That would let you fix inconsistent scrobbles with what is already in your library as well as accidental typos with stuff you scrobble from your own library rather straight up delete a scrobble.
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Who decides what is correct punctuation?

Usually, the artist, I'd imagine. I'd prefer it if last.fm would just use MusicBrainz' database to determine these things.

I agree with the suggestion of allowing correction of previous scrobbles, but 48 hours isn't enough. Some of us have had our accounts for 10 years or longer, and a lot of functionality didn't even exist on the site yet - albums weren't even displayed at the time, leading people not to care about getting their album tags right. Ideally I'd like to be able to enact my own auto-corrections for my library alone, and beyond that, resubmit scrobbles dating back to the establishment of the website, since I had some anomalies in my old plays. But given how little last.fm has listened to us thus far, I don't expect any of this to get implemented.
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I feel the same about retroactively fixing things from long ago Aaron (although I've only been here five-ish years) I just don't think they would allow it (as they've stated on the old forums). I put the hour limit on there as an arbitrary time limit for new scrobbles but I'd still like to fix old scrobbles. As of now anything I couldn't fix is deleted but I know they can restore it (they had an undelete feature on the old site) so I know if a function was implemented to fix old scrobbles I would undelete them and do so.

As far as correct punctuation, there are a lot of bands out there who don't particularly care about how a song is spelled and often refer to songs by part of their name. MusicBrains, I agree, would be really useful and probably most ideal for this site to implement.

Perhaps my biggest problem/pet peeve is how even websites like MusicBrainz will add things like (2007 Remix) or (Live) to the end of track names which will then list a song multiple times on Last.fm depending on what is appended to the end. While correct as far as meta data goes I still think it shouldn't show up in chart data. Perhaps a real solution would be to group all such differentiations under one umbrella track including typos and punctuation differentiation using something akin to the old correct track spelling feature on the old site.
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Rattrocker:

Me, I do :D

I think my bigger issue with this is mostly (Remastered xxxx) (especially since I usually can't tell the difference and the tag is therefore meaningless to me), (explicit), etc. on every single damn track, especially albums that are already denoted as such in the album field (those ugly tags bother me too, but not as much since they weren't directly on our profile pages until now).

I actually always accepted parenthesis as the standard way to express remixes, live versions, and all the other stuff. It just makes the most sense to me to enclose something like that. I also always accepted 'Songname, Part 1' as a universal standard. Obviously anything that's actually part of the song's/artist's/album's name is different but I truly think extra information like remixes and such should use a universally standard form. I generally trust MusicBrainz to do this properly, although every now and then improper tags sneak in.

I used that feature a lot in the hopes it would help my beloved library. I'm pretty sure none of my corrections made it but I was relentless. One of the suggestions I made before was some kind of progress meter or something that would tell me if I'm actually getting anywhere with it because it always seemed hopeless. For entire albums plagued by stupid remastered tags, bulk editing would be great. In Word and likely many other text editors you can highlight stuff vertically. If there was a similar function on last.fm it would be extremely useful and could allow bulk editing.

Individual tag correction would be helpful, but it would very much need to go past 48 hours. We need to be able to fix the ones that have been plaguing our pages for years (I've been here a little over 7 years). Although ultimately I really really want a solution to fix it across the entire website, this would be a good start.

I'm not sure if this would work, but perhaps a setting to choose tag style for individual users to be able to see when browsing the website? The stats would still be screwy since it wouldn't actually be able to fix the tags this way. I don't know, I didn't really think that one through.

I write too much.

Aaron Freed:

MusicBrainz would be ideal in my opinion as well. They do occasionally have some incorrect things, but it's not very often and would be a hell of a lot easier to correct. Especially if it synchronized with updates on MusicBrainz as I'm pretty sure it's easier (or more efficient anyway) to submit corrections on there than it ever was on this once lovely website. It would definitely be easier than getting all the other sources that can scrobble to use it (what is it, like 600 now or something?), although I do wish spotify would use it even without last.fm in mind, they're just straight up ugly. I seriously wish streaming services and people cared about tags more. v.v I mean, damn, look at this shit - http://www.last.fm/music/Mourning+Ritual/+tracks
they have one song. ONE. And at least 50 entries because nobody cares to tag it right.

I got carried away, lol I'm sorry.
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I think the biggest issue with tags at the end of song names is that no one does it the same. I agree that parenthesis are most ideal but some users follow strictly what a physical copy lists, which may use brackets or something else, while others (like me) just delete the tags and memorize what is what by the track number and/or album or use the comments data field for each music file on my computer.

To be honest, I think a complete site rewrite would be required to get this to work how we want. There would need to "master" versions of each song and then each individual spelling/variation would need to be mapped to a master version of each song. Websites like RateYourMusic and Discogs use this for albums and then aggregate ratings and relevant data into the master releases while still preserving the children/individual versions. While this shouldn't be too difficult to implement, it would require updating nearly everything on the website to work with the new system as well as making all the old scrobbles work with the new data. This newest update, which was just a GUI overhaul for the most part, has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and I don't trust they'd be able to overhaul their primary feature flawlessly considering this GUI update, which should have been simple if everything was fixed before launch, has rather stumbled through the door.

Also considering how Last.fm adds tracks to its database vs how RYM and Discogs does, it could be chaotic since those sites require approval while Last.fm just creates a new page when something new is scrobbled. New tracks would have to be added as master tracks and then demoted to children of a master track manually if they end up being typos/variations of a song.
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Also those Bad Moon Rising scrobbles are atrocious. I completely forgot about bringing up how songs get "ft. artist name" added to the end as well. It's something I find extremely annoying as well, even more than "(live)" and other tags since it more often than not applies to all versions of a song and is more of a promotion technique than anything else. That is a completely different discussion though so I won't expand on it past the fact that it is relevant to the grouping/song name tag discussion we have going.
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Personal autocorrection is the only solution for this. The other way is to hire ten thousand monkey moderators which would correct wrong tags and merge tracks/artists/albums for food.
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Crowdsourcing could have been good for this. Being a monkey on the old site seems like it wouldn't have been so bad to me. I've done a lot of crowdsourcing too though and was usually working for pennies anyway so maybe that's why it doesn't seem so bad. Plus I really really want them fixed, damnit. >:
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I know this is an old topic, but I find it very important!!

I think a useful feature to add would be a scrobble data editor/converter so people can edit and "merge" differently named versions of the same track/album. That way we could clean up our libraries and charts. At the moment they are all messed up - thanks to Spotify et al - and it looks ugly as ****.

 Ideally it would be possible to edit data all the way back to were one started on Last.fm.

Please, can we get an official answer from Last.fm staff?!
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Great idea.
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That would be a major improvement. I'm tagging my mp3 files as good as I can and when I listen to the same track on Spotify's stream or another radio station, it ruins everything.