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Followed a top listener from an obscure band and found a user which scrobbles several thousands tracks per day, which is impossible. Obviously a spam account. The user account in question https://www.last.fm/user/angki_ang
I think last.fm should considering blocking such activities not bring the user attention as a top listener. No one is interested in fake charts.

Thanks.
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Easier said than done, I think.  This has been a problem on last.fm for many years afaik,  I guess there's no easy fix. Totally agree that it'd be sweet if all the charts were correct.   Maybe someday.. They're working on the new catalogue system which will hopefully improve many current issues, maybe including this one.
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Rowolta

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Cool. Do you have any further information about the new catalog system?
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I do not really, it's mostly just stuff I've come across here in the forum.  Here is some interesting information - 
https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/hire-someone-to-clean-up-incorrect-scrobbles-across-the-si...
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Rowolta

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Nice, thanks. Perhaps not really related to this issue but that is certainly good news!
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Yeah it's not completely relevant - I'm just thinking that once they finish this current project they can move on to issues like these.

As far as that user with a thousand songs played per minute or whatever, I sympathize with you.. that's really lame.  like, wtf.  Not exactly sure why this must be allowed but, alas.  
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I don't think  stopping these kind of scrobble hoarders as I call them is that complicated. I mean, how hard can it be to put a cap on the amount of daily scrobbles possible? Let's say for example 1500 tops each day. That's very generous seeing as there are only 1440 minutes in a day.
The bigger problem is mostly on the side of lastfm's willingness to see this as a problem. I don't trust user generated lastfm charts at all if this website allows one user to have millions of scrobbles over 1000 times faster than is possible.

Acting against scrobble hoarders is also one of the reasons I'm advocating to bring attention to unique tracks data element on front page: https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/show-unique-tracks-count-on-user-page

For scrobble hoarders scrobbles are like things they collect, and it's fairly easy to ramp up that scrobble number. Unique tracks however isn't so easy to fake however and requires more active input to a point where's it's not worth the effort to fake and thus can act as a counter to fakers.
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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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As part of the new scrobble storage system that's being deployed soon, we've been reviewing the performance impact of this kind of behaviour.   We're now moving forward on our plans to rate limit daily /  monthly scrobbling within reasonable (i.e. possible) limits, so that we no longer accommodate blatant abuse of the scrobbling api.  

 
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Rowolta

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Lovely news. Thanks Jon.
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Patrick

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Finally, something great we heard. Thanks for the info Jon.
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Elliot Robinson

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This is fantastic to hear, Jon. Really pleased this is being addressed.
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Elliot Robinson

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This is fantastic to hear, Jon. Really pleased this is being addressed.
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I hope a new backup system (import/export of scrobbles, loved tracks, tags) will be considered as well, because as we discussed a while ago, importing backups could easily break such limit.
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I guess, up to 300 scrobbles per day is good limit, though I'm not sure if any grindcore listener will agree with me (if someone listen to 2 minutes songs only, for whole day, he could reach even ~700 scrobbles)

Also, I strongly agree with case written by G.G.B., many new account has weird stats just because of importing scrobbles.
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I guess, up to 300 scrobbles per day is good limit, though I'm not sure if any grindcore listener will agree with me (if someone listen to 2 minutes songs only, for whole day, he could reach even ~700 scrobbles)

Also, I strongly agree with case written by G.G.B., many new account has weird stats just because of importing scrobbles.
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Jan

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With the new database being here, any update on dealing with cheaters and fakers?
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Elliot Robinson

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I look forward to the daily scrobble limit being imposed. I'm sick and tired of seeing people with more play time in their Last Week reports than there are actual hours within a week.
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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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This has now been implemented.  
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Patrick

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I think last.fm should considering blocking such activities not bring the user attention as a top listener. No one is interested in fake charts. 
+1 for this what you said. I hope the Moderators are aware of this:
https://www.last.fm/music/Alabama/+listeners
https://www.last.fm/music/Kenny+Rogers/+listeners

The user created 30 accounts each one of them has up 1.5 million plays in his library. They are flooding every country musician with their fake charts. It's getting out of control. A user in question is hejacountry.
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Elliot Robinson

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Yes, I've noticed these hejacountryXX accounts, too. Very annoying.
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Patrick

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Somebody should report them and ban them. Other top listeners cannot see themselves thanks to these spammers. They are everywhere. 
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Elliot Robinson

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There isn't an easy/direct way to report spam/dodgy accounts from their profile page, which feels like a bit of an oversight.
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Patrick

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LFM Moderators should implement report an account button.
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Related: I've noticed there are many counterpart variations to the hejacountryXX accounts I mentioned above. This is the current state of the Top Listeners for Amy Grant - only 2 of the top 14 are genuine listeners:

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Jan

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Wow, this runs a complete mockery of last.fm. I've seen blatant fakery many times before but not on this level.
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Patrick

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Good Lord, have mercy!
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Peggy Clark

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What's the purpose for creating so many duplicate/spam accounts?
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G.G.B.

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What's the purpose for creating so many duplicate/spam accounts?
It's pushing the popularity of an artist. The more scrobbles and listeners, the higher the ranking of an artist in the charts. Who would do that? 
  • Artists themselves
  • Payed promotion services
  • Crazy members of their fan club
  • A false flag attack by haters
  • Some hacker testing his bot tool
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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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I've asked for this user's accounts to be filtered from the Top Listeners generation, same as those jukebox accounts (sl_pl, etc).
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Rowolta

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Can not see the particular user anymore. It seems that this has been fixed now? Awesome work
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There is a guy who joined on the 24th January 2019 and has over 88 thousand scrobbles He
scrobble over 13 thousand Green Day songs in one day.
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A guy? Great, that's very useful. How about a user name? Also, if it's a newly created account are those imported scrobbles or not? No issue when it's imported.
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I prefer not give he’ s name. It seems very strange that he scrobble same songs muti times all the same time and date.
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Jan

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Why bother posting a comment then if you're not going to point to a user name? Nothing you say can be verified.
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Please provide a username so we can look into this, 88k in 9 days is beyond excessive.
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I believe he's referring to this user. I took a glance at his library. He scrobbled the entire Green Day discography, not the song as he described.
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Tess

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Over 13k on Green day on 26 January.. He played different Green Day songs muti of times. Each song he play was played at the same time.
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KatyLB, Moderator

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I have raised the idea that, at the least, we should "no weight" users that exhibit this sort of behaviour. That is to say, they shouldn't be able to be a top listener and should be discounted from the stats, a sort of mute. (It's a policy that RateYourMusic use to essentially mute the ratings of users abusing the rating system, which is their key metric. Scrobbles are our key metric, so it makes sense to likewise do the same here.) I don't know if such an idea will be implemented, however.
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This is a good idea - take the wind out of their sails.

It annoys me when I see my Last Week populated by people abusing the system, and it prompts an unfollow from me. As such, you should suggest an extension to the idea, which would also make these users exempt from Last Week placement, as it amounts to the same behaviour.

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