Various Artists / Compilation Albums / Album Artist Tag Not Being Recognised

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Since the issue with the 7 day album display was sorted,  I have noticed that all the albums I scrobble from that are either Various Artists, Compilations etc. are no longer displaying any play counts.

 For example  Seal - Crazy from the Various Artist / Compilation Album - Awesome!!  If I go to the track page I get this http://www.last.fm/user/Rob_209/library/music/Seal/_/Crazy A new album page is created to look like the release Awesome!! is an album by Seal http://www.last.fm/user/Rob_209/library/music/Seal/Awesome!! which it is NOT. This is the album that it is fromhttp://www.last.fm/music/Various+Artists/AWESOME!!  I used to have a high playcount for this album, now it is displaying Rob_209 hasn't listened to this album yet. http://www.last.fm/user/Rob_209/library/music/Various+Artists/AWESOME!!
  This is happening with any album that has more than 1 artist on it. 

  Hope this explains the problem I & many other users are having.
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Yes, it is very annoying that each artist on a compilation album get their own album scrobbles, instead of all the album's scrobbles being under Various Artists. It messes up the charts with 15 identical albums having one scrobble instead of one album having 15. Scrobbling doesn't seem to recognize the Album Artist tag like it used to. The old system worked with artists getting the Artist scrobbles, and Various Artists getting the album. Hopefully it comes back.
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Julio Ruiz

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No answer from the staff. Sad...
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Rolo Rojo

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No answer..... as usual.
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Dustin Prewitt

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the lack of answer IS the answer.
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Stian

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We would like an answer!
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rotane

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Yep, i'm experiencing the same thing. While i don't use "Various Artists" in my "album artist" field, but something that makes more sense (mostly the main contributing artist), this used to work with the old site regardless.
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Man Doerky

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I hope they'll fix it. Why does it not work anymore. I'm getting sick...
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jazzthieve

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Album artist tags have never been recognized on Last.fm and neither should they be.
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Julio Ruiz

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I feel this isn't going to be fixed ever.
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Rob_209

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I have to agree with you, it is almost as if the staff here are burying thier heads in the ground & hoping it will go away on its own !! = (
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@rotane if what you're saying is true then "Various Artists", the most used album artist tag, would be by far be the most popular artist tag scrobbled which it is not. So again, album artist has never been used like that on last.fm.
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@jazzthieve He means that the tag used to be recognized, but not in the way you think. You are confusing Artist tag with Album Artist tag. You could put the actual artist name in the Artist tag (which together with the Track Title would get the scrobble itself), and then put Various Artists in the Album Artist tag (which would then get the album only, but no scrobbles). In this way, all the songs would get "collected" on the same Various Artist album, but the scrobbles themselves would go to the artists. Take this example:
http://www.last.fm/music/Various+Artists/30+Days
Here are 30 different artists/songs on the same compilation album. While putting Various Artists in the Album Artist tag, you could scrobble the songs onto this album (Various Artists - 30 Days) so that they all appear on this page, and would all count for the Album scrobble in Top Album. But the scrobbles would go the the 30 different Artist - Track Title listed there, as it should.

This does not work on last.fm anymore (or at least a few weeks ago), but it worked before. If we try this now, we would end up with 30 different albums, (www.last.fm/music/Ruairi+Lazers/30+Days , http://www.last.fm/music/Kilowatts/30+Days , http://www.last.fm/music/Ruairi+Lazers/30+Days etc), which is bad for the Top Albums list.
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@jazzthieve He means that the tag used to be recognized, but not in the way you think. You are confusing Artist tag with Album Artist tag. You could put the actual artist name in the Artist tag (which together with the Track Title would get the scrobble itself), and then put Various Artists in the Album Artist tag (which would then get the album only, but no scrobbles). In this way, all the songs would get "collected" on the same Various Artist album, but the scrobbles themselves would go to the artists. Take this example:
http://www.last.fm/music/Various+Artists/30+Days
Here are 30 different artists/songs on the same compilation album. While putting Various Artists in the Album Artist tag, you could scrobble the songs onto this album (Various Artists - 30 Days) so that they all appear on this page, and would all count for the Album scrobble in Top Album. But the scrobbles would go the the 30 different Artist - Track Title listed there, as it should.

This does not work on last.fm anymore (or at least a few weeks ago), but it worked before. If we try this now, we would end up with 30 different albums, (www.last.fm/music/Ruairi+Lazers/30+Days , http://www.last.fm/music/Kilowatts/30+Days , http://www.last.fm/music/Ruairi+Lazers/30+Days etc), which is bad for the Top Albums list.
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"Album artist tags have never been recognized on Last.fm."

THE REAL LAST.FM:


LAST.FM "BETA"






#meltdown
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Nice, but please show me where it shows album artists scrobbled because what you're showing me are artists scrobbled grouped by album artist.
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@jazzthieve, It's bad enough that the last.fm staff is barely listening to us, but to have people like you come in without a full understanding of the issue and tell us again and again that the whole Various Artist scrobbles and album artist scrobbles are wrong...wow!
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I'm bumping this because...seriously?? Separation of artist & album artist is such a basic function and now I can't scrobble any VA compilations without borking how they appear in my library. Can staff please address this??
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One month, one month and NO answer!!! Seriously lastfm staff? SHAME ON YOU!!!
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Why do you consider having this pseudo-artist called "Various Artists" is better than the situation you're complaining about ?!?
@soupface ... the system does this most basic feature as scrobbling your artist + title + album name, as it should be.
Maybe this time you should acknowledge this is NOT a normal situation (a bunch of songs from different artists is NOT an album !!! ... is just that, a bunch of songs; and you should not make this an album for no artists, because it is not an album, after all).

As far as I experienced a few years ago, scrobbling the song as "Artist - Title" instead of "Album artist - Title" is no business but your software's ! (you should investigate that your scrobbling software/device reports the song played as from Album Artist, and no from Artist; and this leads me to ask you again: why do you find it better this way, instead of the simplest mode: Artist - Title, without the album at all, since it isn't any real album anyway ?

Consider this situation I had myself:
the not-so-real artist name Tunguska Electronic Music Society (which I have scrobble like this), and one of their compilations:
http://music.tunguskagrooves.com/album/tunguska-chillout-grooves-vol-12
The artist is = Tunguska Electronic Music Society (as I wrote above) and the songs are like:
"Paralax Breaks - Sweet Landscape (Art Project ?! remix)"
and the album as "Tunguska Chillout Grooves vol.12"
Well, of course the real artist/singer is "Paralax Breaks" and the song is "Sweet Landscape (Art Project ?! remix)"
But I prefer having the scrobbles as in:
"Tunguska Electronic Music Society" - "Paralax Breaks - Sweet Landscape (Art Project ?! remix)"
which is way better than that stupid "various Artists" that you complain about !!

So ... isn't it better that you have your songs like this ?
(Edited)
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In regards to your current situation; what you're describing is a workaround for the system that is currently broken. You don't have to use "Various Artists" as your album artist, you know. You can just as well use "Tunguska Electronic Music Society". It's what i would use. Then you're free to use the actual artist name in the artist field and the actual track name in the track name field. Finally, if the system weren't broken on last.fm at the moment, all these tracks from this album would show up as one album – just like it should. And as a bonus, you'd also not feed last.fm wrong tags.
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Still happening = (
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rotane

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Still no word on this, eh? :-/
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This topic needs more attention!

As a person that listens to a lot of compilations, this is clearly a mess. There's a "Various Artist" page http://www.last.fm/music/Various+Artists and I don't know if there are users out there whose compilation scrobbles are being captured correctly. I don't think my scrobbles are being captured in this form since each artist on a compilation it's being given it's own album on my library. :(

 
 Last.fm, please fix this!
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I feel like this topic deserves more attention. I don't know this, but I imagine the problem has a rather easy solution, by simply implementing the solution from old last.fm which most users are familiar with.
The real issue might actually be whether or not they _want_ to solve this though. Perhaps they want to remove Various Artists altogether. Two months should have been enough time to figure this out, but they did have a lot of features to go through back then. Still do, apparently.
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Ok, so i reported this problem 2 months ago and still it has not even been Acknowledged. The problem is STILL happening. Any chance of it just being acknowldeged that it is a problem or is that the way things are going to be from now on ?
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I don't know, man, but let me help bump this. There seems to be little mention of this by the staff. I don't know what was the rush in implementing everyone the beta site. They probably don't think the scrobbling compilations properly is a problem. = /

Checking on my library, just wondering, has anyone else encounter this below when you check your album library under <All time>?




The artists scrobbling its own album is a given issue but there also seems to appear the name of the album [Back To Peru Vol 2: The Most Complete Compilation of...] with no artist name above it as seem highlighted in red rectangle. Not to mention there is no link. I underlined in red the same name of the album above and below it as reference.

This clearly throws the album library off. What's going on?
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Yeah, this is happenening to me, too, every once in a while. And sometimes it's not even compilation albums.
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THIS. IS. STILL. HAPPENING.

STILL. NO. ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. FROM. THE. STAFF.

PLEASE. HELP.

Last.fm RIP 2015
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To further illustrate the mess, for some users all their compilations are being scrobbled either under 'Various Artists,' as indicated on this thread: https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/album-artist-vs-cooperating-artist?topic-reply-list[settin... or under their respective artists but creating individual albums in the process. That thread as been acknowledged by the staff but it's not certain if they fully understand the issue what's going on.

However, this 'Various Artists,' the album artist is being recognized, but is treated as its own artist and the original artists are being ignored, instead of the old working function we had before where each artist will get scrobbled and it will be all under one compilation album.

Bumping this thread...
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Bumping from here to eternity.

I'd like to add that I have many collaboration albums where the "album artist" is the main producer, while the artist are the players on the track. Asking that all artists tags are the same is taking away attribution as the main artist intended:

Max Richter [album artist] - Sleep [album]

01 Max Richter - Dream 1 (before the wind blows it all away)
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05 Grace Davidson, Max Richter - who's name is written on water
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08 Max Richter, Ben Russell, Yuki Numata, Caleb Burhans, Clarice Jensen, Brian Snow - Aria 1
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17 Max Richter, Ben Russell - Constellation 2
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For someone who's listening to a lot of mixtapes with various artists, this is a huge mess. I don't see why this hasn't been dealt with yet (let alone acknowlidging it..) It used to work. -_-
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Will this problem ever be solved?...
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pizzicatoiv

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bump. charts are a huge mess after a few compilation albums. 
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I listened to some christmas compilation albums and this problem is really a mess! I wish they solve this problem asap. In the old version of the site everything was alright with the scrobbles from various artists...
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Join the struggle. I just wish the last.fm staff would listen to us...
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OK, so 4 months, 4 MONTHS after this was reported the same issue is STILL happening & has STILL not been officially recognised as a Problem despite having many replies & "Me Toos"
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*BUMP*  Compilation albums are formal label releases and should therefore be picked up by the last.fm system as albums in their own right - the 'Various Artists' album artist tag is, and has been, the way most people tag these releases. (There will obviously be some exceptions).

Currently the way these albums are being recorded by the scrobbling system is a complete mess and unusable.

1) Could the last.fm team please respond to the questions raised here in this, (and other), threads.

2) Let us know what is being done to sort this and when we can expect a fix.

3) Inform people if last.fm would rather reinvent the wheel and have us tag compilations with something other than 'Various Artists'.

Thanks