Website update - 13th October

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Hello everyone,

We just released Sprints 193 and 194. Here's some of what you get:


Features
  • Add 'recently popular track' and 'latest release' to artist pages
  • Improved the cold start process for new users
    New users will get recommendations in their homefeed and profile before they scrobble
  • Artist top listeners
  • New design for subscribe page

Bugfixes
  • Always show playbuttons in homefeed
  • Horizontally tile Track My Music background
  • Use correct affiliate on library track pages
  • Fix playbar synchronisation issue while watching YouTube videos

We're working on notifications (honestly) and some other fun stuff.

Cheers,
James
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nice updates on the artists' pages. I just stopped refreshing here, thinking new sprints would never arrive.

still waiting for all the events stuff, I won't repeat not to be annoying (but if you like to encourage interactions among users, as it seems, events are important just as the shouts and notifications...)
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Andreas_Wotte

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Is is possible to add the playbutton also to the mobile version of Last FM?
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Andreas_Wotte

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I like the comeback of the top listener and would also like the reinstallation of the "friends who listen to" feature. Furtheron I suppose, the group project depent on the notification system you're still working on. (?)
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The "Popular This Week / Latest Release" feature is nice - no question. It's just that I am sure, they are on the wrong position. The structure of the artist page leads to this impression. Naturelly both are affiliated to the group of top tracks / top albums. It's a logical consequence and not a question of taste. Now the position of the tags and biography looks somehow displaced and should stay in the first position. Is it for the dev team imaginable to change that please? :-)))
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You're quite right about this, Andreas; but also, I did not see any other good place in the page where these two informations to be placed.
Maybe on the right side, above the radio button for "Play similar artists" ? (but I don't think they will have the same impact in that place).
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Because I mostly used my mobile for LFM I hadn't considered this option. The right side is a good idea Cornel. My first choise was the position right above the "Top Tracks". That means also, below the biography.
What I want to see first are
  1. Artist name (obligatory)
  2. Scrobbles / Listener
  3. Tags
  4. Biography
Regardless of the importance, the rest of the ranking is variable in my opinion.
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for a whole month? efficiently
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Merowinger

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The staff (James) is still alive. I'm so relieved!
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Hans-Jürgen, Moderator

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As is Paul McCartney:

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Merowinger

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Macca cannot die!
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James Joul

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I like the "Popular This Week" and "Latest Release" showcase. I like to keep up with new music from artists I love and this will help remind me of releases I might have missed. It's nice to see another old feature return too (Top Listeners), even if it is a rather basic version. 

I have just one request for the top listeners feature though. It would be nice if there were an option to view their library for that specific artist. At the moment I have to manually edit the URL. (This is also why I wanted some kind of search feature within the library). If someone's a top listener for an artist I want to check out, I'd like to see what tracks/ albums they've listened to most. 

I'm also interested in how the top listeners are calculated. From what I've seen so far the time frame looks very large. It's also likely that profiles such as this one and this one will be taking the top listener spot on many pages.
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garynotrashcoug

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I was pleasantly surprised to see Top Listeners back.
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Cornel Diaconu

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Hehe, James, I won't bet my money on sl_bg being on top listeners for too much artists (only 14.000 artists .... I have more than twice that much, for instance).
Okay, I know I'm a bit mean here...

But I also find more useful to see a link to that top listeners' listening pages for that artist: maybe if I can compare theirs musical tastes for this artist with my own, I may try other songs from that artist.

As for how this maximum 4 top listeners are calculated .... I already have a clear example that such heavy listeners are not always in this list : for instance, I checked the top 4 listeners for Jean Michel Jarre and I have myself more than 3 times MORE scrobbles for Jarre than each of these 4 guys ! And I'm not in that list :-)  (hehe, some of them have overall (all artists) number of scrobbbles less than my Jarre only amount...).
Granted, they all have listened to Jarre in .... the last 7 days, or at least in the last month (I haven't, in this time line).
Yeah, I would also like to know some insights about how this list is calculated :-)
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Not to be rude, but your account doesn't exactly reflect the listening of a legitimate user - averaging 621 Scrobbles per day this year, 825 in 2015, 802 in 2014 etc...

You share the same Scrobble structure with all of the other "fake" accounts pretending to be legitimate. Album after album after album. As if there's one big playlist going all day long. 

Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe you really do Scrobble 50 hours of music per day.  :)
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The Top Listener is an interesting chance to nosy at someone else's profile/listening habits/fave songs, but it's all too frequently claimed by illegitimate accounts. As James says, some users claim to listen to more hours of music than there are hours in the day.

Perhaps Last FM could introduce a cool down feature where your account is suspended for a month or something if your daily scrobbles exceed an estimated 24hrs solid scrobbling using an average track length of 3 minutes (480 tracks) - although a more realistic top number would be 320 tracks/16 hrs play allowing for 8hrs sleep.

I know it's not a major issue, but it's food for thought about what to look at once the major issues have been addressed.
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I think that Last.fm needs to delete/ban all of those super humans whose days last for  more than 24 hours.
And sure, it's definitely not a huge issue, but maybe a daily limit wouldn't be a bad idea either. I don't think that anyone can listen to more than 200 - 250 songs per day, unless that's literally all they do in life.
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Regardless of the overrating of sleeping, I vote for your suggestion Elliot.
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Dimitris Serdaris

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I agree to ban the fake and cheated profiles but some people including me listening radio and listen the song and after 1 minute skip the song and listen another song etc. One day i scrobbled 802 times and i have see real accounts with 400-600 scrobbles in one day. Also we have accounts from radio stations and shouldn't ban these accounts. Personally i don't agree the limit of scrobbles per day.
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garynotrashcoug

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Scrobble cheaters are obnoxious (if not amusing), but banning them is a slippery slope. 
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James Joul

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I listen to a huge amount of music. I'd probably categorise myself as an "extreme" user. To an extent, I've structured my life around music over the last 2 years. If you were to check my account, you'd see that my overall average is 201 Scrobbles per day, which is roughly equivalent to 12 hours. I have a huge love for music and listen as often as I can.

However, it was clear that my habits were unsustainable in the long term and these days it's more like 160 per day (last 3 months) which is still a massive amount. The numbers drop further every month. I don't focus on Scrobble counts - at all. If that number was removed from my profile or my library I'd be perfectly fine with that. Counting Scrobbles is like counting your footsteps. It's a number, it goes up, it gets bigger. Cool. 

I'm here to listen to great music, share with friends, expand my taste and just have a detailed record that I can look back on in a few years. I don't know about you guys, but accuracy is very important to me. What's the point in having an extensive record if the data is incorrect? Everything I listen to gets Scrobbled, everything I accidentally leave playing gets deleted. 

I always liked the analogy of someone keeping an exercise plan, but faking the results. Instead of running 5 miles today, they say they ran 15. In reality it's harmless, they're just lying to themselves. What bothers me is when they then try and tell someone else they ran 100 miles, instead of the 5 they actually ran  :)

I'm not really sure why I wrote this. Seems like a waste to just delete it now though? These are just my thoughts from someone who Scrobbles a lot of music. 
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Also we have many accounts who listen some artists so very much because they really love these artists/song from these artists. Not because for cheating.
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@Dimitris - "...some people including me listening radio and listen the song and after 1 minute skip the song and listen another song etc. One day i scrobbled 802 times and i have see real accounts with 400-600 scrobbles in one day." - if you skipped a song after a minute it shouldn't be scrobbling unless it's a 2 minute (or under) song, therefore you shouldn't have actually accrued 802 scrobbles. If you're not wanting to listen to a song and skip it before it's played for any length of time, it isn't really a true scrobble/reflection of your listening habits. Furthermore, I would argue it's almost impossible a "real account" would hit 400 let alone 600 legitimate scrobbles in a day - it's basic mathematics.

"Also we have many accounts who listen some artists so very much because they really love these artists/song from these artists. Not because for cheating." - we're not talking about people who strongly favour/scrobble one artist legitimately, most people have favourites, it's the scrobbling that goes on which exceeds the basic hours in a day!
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Elliot, the song should be scrobbled in a middle of the song (for example If i listen song with 3 minutes length will scrobbled in 1:30 minutes). I listen untill the middle from the song if i don't like this song. I am not cheater and i hate cheating! 
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I've looked at a few sets of Top Listeners, and I'm fairly sure the ranking is based on plays in the past 1 year, as calculated a few weeks ago.

Compare this to the weekly top listeners on the old site, which were ranked according to the figure (plays for artist in week)^2/(total plays in week).
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I've looked at a few sets of Top Listeners, and I'm fairly sure the ranking is based on plays in the past 1 year, as calculated a few weeks ago.

Compare this to the weekly top listeners on the old site, which were ranked according to the figure (plays for artist in week)^2/(total plays in week).
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After I saw the for example the user "sl_bg" pretty much as one of the 4 top listener of different artists, I think it's clear: This feature has to be adjust.
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Alternatively, Last FM needs to block or reclassify accounts that are for businesses.

I really don't see why a business would want or need a scrobbling account - seems entirely pointless.
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Action Radar

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It's about damn time.
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Jardel Alves

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Okey, but...




Fix this!
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João Marcelo Viana

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god I am waiting for this since forever
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AH

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yes! me to :(
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Patrick

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I like this new update; I can't wait to see blog portal, the list of tags, groups, recent groups, visitors, including being able to add cool gadgets on our profiles.
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Pascal

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How are top listeners calculated?
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Jd_Jd_Jd

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"Some other fun stuff"... Not sure if this is irony for some boring programming you're doing or if you're working on really fun stuff for users...  With you guys you just never know sure...

Anyway...
- Some nice additions to the artist pages even though the 'Top Listeners' are still very basic.  A note on the timeframe for calculating those would be nice though.
- An extra thank you for extending the search radius for events that got introduced rather unnoticed during the past week(s): 200km is the perfect radius for my searches.

Just sad that notifications didn't reach the finish line yet... :/
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The Top Listeners feature seems kind of pointless given how many of them seem to be blatantly cheating. On the Top Listeners for one of my favourite band, one guy has apparently listened to them almost 28,000 times. They only have three albums, with about 8 tracks per album. I worked out that the band's song he'd played the most, he had listened to for a total of about 345 hours. Lol yeah okay.
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That's certainly a problem. Check out this guy with 590,175 Scrobbles for Soulfly! It's rarely an issue with lesser-known artists though, but I agree it makes the feature somewhat pointless.

At the moment it's like the "Listening Trends" and "People Listening Now" features in that it doesn't really add anything to the site, it's just there to look nice.  
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top listeners should be related to the last week/month/similar, so this problem (the altered stats) should become less relevant. they will probably correct these things among the "bugfixes" in one of the next sprints (so in 2, 4, 6 months.... who knows)
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I agree. The time frame should be much smaller. Showing the "current" top listeners for the last week/ month would be good. It would also give more users a chance to become a "top listener" - for anyone interested in that. 
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'Vote for quartal.
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That's certainly a problem. Check out this guy with 590,175 Scrobbles for Soulfly! It's rarely an issue with lesser-known artists, though, but I agree it makes the feature somewhat pointless.

That is nothing. I have this person on my personal list of friends who has almost 600 thousand scrobbles for Metallica. I even have another one who made it reach over 360 thousand scrobbles for Dream Theater too.

It would also give more users a chance to become a "top listener" - for anyone interested in that. 
I second this; there should be also an option to view more top listeners by clicking "view more" button, showing only top four listeners is somewhat selfish.
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neo

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That person has also been scrobbling since 2005.
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And when will be possible to delete artists and tracks from the library? This is so useful and is not working yet.
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Probably when they successfully managed to 
1) separate multiple artist pages
2) fix the 'Various Artists Releases' issue
3) merge multiple alphabet names for artists eg. The Japanese and Romanic page for an artist.
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To be fair, Jens, this really shouldn't effect an individual user's ability to keep their library clean/more accurately.

I'm so desperate for the return of the ability to remove "unknown date" scrobbles. Ugh.
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@Elliet: In normal cases you are 100% right, but for the past few 14 months you can't say this website going through a normal beta phase anymore.  
Due to everything that has happened I think the LFM wants its user to have as less library involvement as possible, until they can fix the three aforementioned issues/user requests first.  

Let me try to explain my "guess" from a non-programmer point of view: The three aforementioned points are 3 important issues to get a cleaner library AND which require staff/developer interventions AND have sitewide consequences. Therefore the developers prefer working with a library with limited functionality for it's users in order to avoid extra issues while solving the above three.

Don't get me wrong... I fully understand the desperate need for this delete function after all these months and fully support the quick return of this and other functions (alphabetical view, picture view,...), but the staff wants to take some sitewide content-related steps before the will allow users to intervene in their own libraries.
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Add 'recently popular track' and 'latest release' to artist pages
Cool, I like it! This is actually useful.
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You're bringing back some of the features I missed the most recently. Nice move ! Now please let us customize our About Me section with pictures & bring back the ability to upload profile pictures in rectangular shape please.
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When the hell are you going to fix "Top Albums" by "Various Artists"?
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Patrick

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The question is when they will fix Various Artists page? I'm still not able to scrobble albums I have saved on my computer.
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SillyMusicLover

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The question is about thisestion
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Patrick

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Ouch, aren't there any ways to fix this?
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Action Radar

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Either upload an image for those albums, or just flag the album as an incorrect tag.
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For various artists compilations, on 'Top Albums' display, it's not rendering correctly. It takes the last artist's name as the album artist and it doesn't display cover artwork even though you add it to the database. This new database hasn't resolved the issue with scrobbling various artist.
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...And it's been a year since this error came out. "Various Artists" page lost over 130 million scrobbles, if it wasn't for this mess, they would have by now 150 if not 200 million scrobbles.
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"Add 'recently popular track' and 'latest release' to artist pages"

Very good one! It helps keeping track of new releases. I'd like to make a suggestion: Is it possible to make a list of latest releases for artists in the library, preferably sorted by date? That would be a mighty tool.
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This feature: Is Tanya Tagaq Featuring Shad the correct name for this artist? Yes No
has now been moved all the way down to the bottom. Even on acts with few plays / listeners its not in a logical place, overlooked easily.

Could that be moved up to be next to this feature: You have scrobbled this artist xxx times 
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"Some other fun stuff" ... that just made my day
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Those look like finishing works. Maybe you should make sure the customers are served before you re-decorate the walls? Groups and forums are still missing. I've been a user for 12 years I can tell you what kept me coming back if you care enough to know
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neo

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Yeah, like bringing back the last 6 visitors recent view back for subscribers. I like how the artist page looks like.
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neo

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And BBC for my about me section. I really miss my pictures I had. :(
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neo

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I would also like to delete certain artists from my playlist I no longer listen to.
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James L.

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Thanks for looking into the ad situation.
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okay, i really don't care who is the top listener in the world to an artist... i care who among my friends may be listening to that artist... and i still can't find that like we used to be able to!
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Event creation on the next update please!
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Woops I meant venue creation

Seriously, there's so many new venues in the past year that the event creation function is kind of useless in its current state.

It also seems like there are no Tokyo venues in the database at all?

Better to just let users contribute since the staff isn't doing anything about it. I'm more than happy to do my part to make the site more accurate and up to date for the community.

The longer we go without creating new venues, the more and more the site will be outdated. There is already 1 year of missing or incomplete shows on the site. I used to rely on lastfm for event history.

"New design for subscribe page" - seriously? This is what you guys are working on instead of the event engine?
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I'd underline VENUE CREATION. same thoughts by me, I've got more than a year of incomplete events without a proper venue (venue only in description). 
and incomplete events DON'T show up in the events search, so the events' search is PARTIALLY USELESS (no matter if the range is 100 or 200km) since almost half of the venues (all the new ones) "don't exist" for lastfm
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This is definitely a flaw; sl_bg is not a top listener of a band Type O Negative. SimonBisek is a top listener with 70,429 scrobbles. sl_bg is an account where he mostly scrobbles pop, electronic, rockabilly, mainstream, hip-hop, and R&B.
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Yep, we need to filter out sl_bg and the other sl account that appears on some pages.
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Andreas_Wotte

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some
:-D
Understatement - funny! But down to business: Good decision!
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Patrick

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Excellent!

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