Website update - 15th January

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Welcome,

The first release of the year! It's a fairly small one because of the Christmas break, but here's what's gone live since last time:

Features
  • Reveal large album artwork on album and track pages
  • Default all non-Spotify countries to YouTube
  • Some changes to prevent spam event creation

Bugfixes
  • Prevent double-click causing resubmission during event creation
  • Fix problem where events could not be created when viewing the site in Spanish
Sprint 176 will include some more work on images plus other tweaks.

Cheers,
Team Last.fm
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James Scott, Web dev lead

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Posted 4 years ago

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metalfingers

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still no fix for the recent tracks album art problem?
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James Scott, Web dev lead

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It's being worked on. We'll hopefully have a update soon.
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metalfingers

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thanks! another question - what is the status with new albums & tracklists? i noticed the new bowie album had one added but no other new releases appear to have one
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Sachin Mangal, Alum

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It's being worked on too.
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Vladimir Putin

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Ok. And what about API, guys?
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Paul Celan

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And what about tracks longer than 60 minutes?
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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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@Vlad: The documentation has been updated to reflect which methods are currently available and should be working.  New methods will be added to the API in due course, alongside the development of related site features.  
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_Δ_

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This isn’t surprising

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Evanizblurk

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The fix for the artwork problem on recent tracks is probably what I expect the most.
Another question: is a decent events search planned?
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James Scott, Web dev lead

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We definitely want to improve the search quality and get other items in there.
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Christina Gaga

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I want the auto complete search that the old site had.
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Christina Gaga

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I want the auto complete search the old site had.
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Dadieseldude05

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Thanks for the update!
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gw666

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I still cannot add new venues, what's the ETA to a fix for this problem?
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E-Clect-Eddy

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I've been adding events in de past half hour / hour and I'm getting more 500 server error time outs than in past days.

Has the update already been rolled-out sitewide or is that still an ongoing thing?
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James Scott, Web dev lead

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There was a problem with the event service. Things were kicked and restarted a few days ago which should have cleared it. Let me know if you still see problems.
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Sam Barnes

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I've been creating events but there doesn't seem to be a way to search for events yet. Also can't seem to search for events in my area.
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Umreti Fit

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I can't add events. It twlls me that "You can't create events yet. Keep listening to music!"
Before that I was able to do that!
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Contempt

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When will we be able to see our tags in our libraries?
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Hornswoop

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I'm not sure if this even qualifies as an update.
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terrortunnels

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User tags when?
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max8455

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Neighbors...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
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Rajo Bajo

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I follow the publication of updates for a long time, so far I have only read, but after today's announcement, I had to register and ask a few questions and say some things .. I really do not understand, or I'm stupid or something .. can someone of "responsible staff" explain to me how it is possible that the website that was founded in 2002, which has tens of thousands of users, takes 5 months (for now)  to make improvements or even worse, to re-enable the old options?? How someone can afford it publications/excuses  like this today and do not ask yourself does it make any sense or maybe is that okay for the users?? I would rather work nothing, than in Last.fm but it is almost the same.. As you go, the old settings will go back to 2020, and the full version of the site probably will not even reach..
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Alin

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A funny thing would be to close the site when it's finally complete...
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tapenoon

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there's an option in your settings where you can choose youtube as the default source of playback. 
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Nikita Koshakov

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true-true-true
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DBAC1

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When will we be able to delete albums/artists from our profiles?
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psychicfork013

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Update? It's ridiculous how liberal you are with that word.
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dis0rder

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a significant update for users in the non-Spotify countries that use Lastfm as a music-player.

@ all the other users: let's hope February will bring the first 2016 update (with events section's fixes+completion, neighbours, A-Z library and other real improvements)...
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At this point, i'm tired of hoping :/
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Panou Urban

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We cannot control volume level or mute on the youtube window player or the upper bar player anymore! This is stupid!
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krisAxe

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Thank you for the update! Finally AC/DC's High Voltage has the right cover! lol
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Beating in my heart, the thunder of guns tore me apart

You've been Thunderstruck . . .

That is cool how you get the track to play in sets of 3 ;)

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haha, they were scrobbled from the iphone, they get grouped up by name instead of by date played. I guess something else that needs "working on"?  ;)
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Acknowledged!
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DBAC1

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Not A Problem
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neo

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Well, it seems that lastfm hit another block on the road, so this is an update?
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Merowinger

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How about the upload of PNG-images? When I upload a PNG last.fm converts it in an crappy JPG, is this permanent (I hope not) or are there plans to fix this?
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Merowinger

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Sorry, I can't find nothing about my problem there?
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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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Merowinger, I think we have plans to reintroduce this (it was mentioned in a meeting a couple of weeks ago), but it would be worthwhile creating a new topic for support PNG uploads specifically so other users can find it and share support.  I can then link that to a ticket in our own issue tracking system, and update you when that ticket gets prioritised.  
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Awfulest

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Fix the the recent tracks album art problem and I will be happy.
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Suss

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I'm still waiting for groups to come back
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Rajo Bajo

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I do not know for you but I did not notice that the groups brought anything good the last couple of years, nobody talks about anything there, just the some strayed posts.
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ohgod

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You haven't joined the right groups then, there are groups whose forums are super active, even more than the offical Last.fm forum.
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Pierre-Olivier Dion

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and there's more to groups than the forums... the group charts were a great way to discover new music. Hope they bring them back this year
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I guess there's not a whole heap of people batch-loving their tracks, seeing as noone has mentioned it so far. But anyway; If you click on the heart button, it "loves" the track, but refreshes the page. Which means there's unnecessary reloading of the page for every single track loved. You can imagine how frustrating this is. Please do fix this for the next update (which I hope comes soon.)

Edit: In case you haven't noticed, but album artwork upload doesn't take .jpeg, only .jpg (Even though it asks for .jpeg..) It works by simply renaming the files, but it's still an annoyance.
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Hi. Do you always see the page fully refresh when loving tracks? It should submit the love asynchronously (provided JavaScript is turned on).

Could you try loading a page, leaving it for ~30 seconds, and then clicking a love? I want to find out if there's maybe a problem with JavaScript loading or if it's loading slowly. Are you able to play tracks through the site?
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Rajo Bajo

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yes, the page is fully refresh everytime, it brings me to the top everytime
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mean.jive

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I tried the experiment you mentioned, and it made no difference. The page still refreshes after every click on a heart.

On an unrelated note: Didn't we used to be able to click on the 'Listeners' number to see which users listen to that particular album/song? Might've already been mentioned though.



Edit: I also don't use the web-player these days. At least not since before the new design.
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IIRC, there was a separate link called listeners. You clicked on it and it took you to a page of listeners for the past two weeks (or 30 days?).
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neo

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Is it just me or whenever lastfm gives us updates they always seem to take a step back?
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Aleix Serralabós Triadú

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I've realized that when you upload a PNG album cover file, it automatically gets converted to a JPG, thus losing a lot of quality. So now it's pointless to upload PNG artwork like we used to...
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Aleix Serralabós Triadú

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Moreover, high quality artwork uploaded before the site update looks like crap now. What a mess
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pizzicatoiv

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coming soon, upload your songs to last.fm in beautiful 128kbps mp3 fidelity. 
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Aleix Serralabós Triadú

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hahhahah good one. Yet another issue before I forget. The titles of the images uploaded before the conversion appear all as "Untitled" now.
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@Tiff, I think 'Rastor" is an old software for storing digital images, likely an upgrade x 3 to this fuzzy photo nonsense.

Anyone;

“Raster"

http://www.photoshop.com/products/photoshop

Vector - http://vector-conversions.com/vectorizing/raster_vs_vector.html

Thing is, it is not rocket science, Mac is preferable. 

It seems every update the simple math is for one good, you receive two bads' (1 step forward, 2 steps back).

 I really have not heard anyone with a desktop say anything good, lap with the small screens most aren’t happy, larger I just heard zoom in screen, this template is 100% mobile.

* I thought 194 Kbps was the standard now? 

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Alex, we still keep the original png image, but for bandwith / optimisation purposes we currently convert it to jpg. We haven't ruled out displaying artist/album art in png in the future, but for the time being, jpg gives us the better tradeoff between quality and bandwidth.
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@jon As an idea, why not stick to the lower quality images for general display around the site to keep costs low, but show the full quality version when you click to view the full size image (ie, when you click the new icon to view higher res album art) to keep purists happy?

I expect the differences in data transfer would be negligible (though I openly admit that's only a guess). I can't imagine many people have real need to view images at full size, but at least if they do they get a version that isn't horribly compressed?
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psychicfork013

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Maybe stop wasting bandwidth on crap nobody cares about then? - http://www.last.fm/dashboard
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pizzicatoiv

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re Chris: +1 to this. The two pages that high quality are important on are the pop-out that was just added, and the .../+images pages. 

I think also they create another sized image for thumbnails, from what I remember in the API.  
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Chris

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Being a purist isn't a bad thing. It just means you like things to be correct - ie, in the example of images, not covered in visible compression artifacts.
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Chris

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Beta is the second letter of the Greek alphabet - I don't think it has a meaning in modern Greek?  First release is usually Alpha (A), second is Beta (B).
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This thread is now about debating semantics with the getsat clique.

To get ahead of the debate, yeah I know it's not an exact clique in the mathematical usage of graphs, but an approximate clique in the social scientific usage, often misspelled as 'click' and related to the french 'claque' for a hired crew of supporters, also related to what are called 'sock-puppet' accounts in social media. 
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jesus christ........

& next update in two weeks i guess???????? :)
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Thanks but can you please explain why things are taking so long to do? This update was not even really worthy of it's own thread. We haven't even been given a proper explanation as to why the site was destroyed and rebuilt.

We need to be able to resync our libraries too please as lots of my song totals don't match my iTunes. I don't dare ask how long it'll take for this to be implemented. haha.
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He's dead, Jim!

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Sigh... It has been answered multiple times already.

For instance at https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/an-option-to-revert-back-to-the-old-design
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"I'm very sorry you feel this way, but this is simply not possible.  The old site ran on completely different hardware, software, and database architecture; the majority of which, including the data centres that housed them, have been decommissioned.  The pages you can still  see of the old site - namely groups, journals, and the api docs, are running on a single box, that's hosting a read only snapshot of the pages in question.  It's not possible to convert that into a fully functional site, and we wouldn't have the resources to support two sites simultaneously, even if we could."

And at https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/bring-back-the-old-version-of-last-fm?topic-reply-list[set...
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"We're sorry you feel this way, but as we've said elsewhere, we're not bringing back the old site. This wasn't a simple design change;  all of the backend architecture has been rewritten, and most of the machines hosting Last.fm (some of which were getting on for 10 years old) in the datacenters have been decommissioned and replaced with new hardware. "
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SLeon

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@svilcans: And you've been told multiple times already to STOP BEING ARROGANT. Sigh...
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He's dead, Jim!

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Yes, some people don't seem to be able to tell the difference between "answering questions" and "being arrogant". My guess is that they are just out to troll the forums and are not really interested in getting answers.
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svilcans, to be honest, while it is an explanation, it is a poor one.  The old site ran on completely different hardware - yeah, pretty sure it was still an x86-based server farm.  Software is kinda magical insofar as it will run on different "computers" if they have somewhat similar architectures.  We assume that Last.fm was responsible for the structure of the DB, so if it's different, well shit, who did *that*?  Datacenter decommissioned?  Surely you knew about that more than a few days before it disappeared.  Surely you had *some* time to plan for a migration of some kind.

Look - that explanation would make some sense if the Last.fm site was not a collective of software that was owned and maintained by Last.fm themselves.  But it really makes absolutely no sense in the context of Last.fm being the owners and maintainers.  At least, if they were *responsible* maintainers.

This answer that you are providing is a politician's answer.  To someone who do not have any experience in software development or in rolling out software-as-a-service, yeah, it does sound kinda reasonable.  To someone who *does* have some of those experiences though, it sounds an awful lot like bullshit.
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Agreed that it was a x86-based server farm but with different specifications and while you want every software to run on every hardware with any amount of resources, it's not always possible and most certainly not the best practice. You might argue that we could make our software run on the new hardware but any experienced software developer can tell you that unlike common belief, there is an expiry date for every software too. Otherwise, you would still be running Symbian on your mobile.

Like it or not, the old site is not coming back. But, we are still committed to make this site better and add more features as quickly as possible.
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Sachin -

If it were a choice between running Symbian on my mobile or the new fangled-dangled version of iOS that's missing the feature of storing contact information, well...old version me buddy!

I understand that software has an expiration date.  What it seems like, to me at least, is that Last.fm prematurely put that expiration date on the old site.

I want you to be honest, Sachin.  If Microsoft pushed out a new version of Edge that, say, didn't work with HTML5 and displayed every GIF as a broken image link, and then completely deprecated the old version of Edge, *and that Microsoft had been beta-testing the new version of Edge for (April to August) number of months...
...and for the last (August to January) number of months, every time you tried to figure out IF HTML5 support were coming back, you were met with silence...

Look, you tell me.  Would you believe that Microsoft were engaging in anything remotely close to 'best practices'?

I just feel like you've taken my old yet functional 2002 Civic and have given me a pretty horse and carriage as a replacement, telling me that, eventually, that horse and carriage is going to be a Tesla Roadster.  Well hell - why didn't you just wait until it was a Tesla Roadster to give it to me?  Why give it to me at the horse and carriage stage, especially when you're taking away my Civic?  I gotta get someplace, and that horse and carriage is not making the 2 mile 10° incline.  My Civic did.  Yes, I realize it takes some effort to fix the radiator on the thing.  But once that radiator is fixed, my Civic will get me over that hill.

So it *still* looks like Last.fm f**ked up bad somewhere along the way and doesn't want to own up to it.  It *still* looks like there is a project manager or 2 that has some explaining to do to someone.  Honestly man, I really do not get it.  I imagine you can't really disclose any details on *what* was cause for the expiration of software, but I am really having a difficult time figuring out what set of circumstances really would have resulted in the current state of Last.fm beyond mismanagement.  I get what you're saying from a technical standpoint, but it is quite weak justification at best.  It has the same explanatory power as saying "the old site (and the functionality it had) cannot come back because the turboencabulator broke".
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Also, Sachin, I guess just another comment:
Generally speaking, in the software world, when a beta version of a new product is pushed out live, does one make the commercially available release version disappear before the new beta version graduates to release?

Seriously.  I think that you guys would have a better leg to stand on if the current site weren't branded as a 'beta'.  That is another thing that makes these explanations smell like bullshit.
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When you're talking about website, calling something beta is usually just an excuse to say "it's not finished" if something breaks.  Gmail was in Beta for about 5 years, but I don't remember ever having an issues with it.

Mind you, Gmail wasn't a replacement for anything.
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Album cover on the recent played has to be the most anticipated fix.

I guess by this year's end we will have an good site again
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jdawg70

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Nah - the lines of communication to and from Last.fm is probably what is most in need of fixing.
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Your call is important; please keep waiting, a staff member will be with you shortly. Have you tried our new online robo staff service . . .

A customer service representative will be with you shortly, your call is Important . . .
. . . Your estimated wait time is Beep* 1,490 minutes. Have you tried our new online robo staff service . . .

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<Communication> Sheeza; I forgot to bitch about Events; I guess it is a major software change to allow someone to simply type in the location?

I swear; thinking of a plan going astray. Events as far as the eye can see - now stop and turn around and look. 

This should be a lesson of a how-not-to-do-it-plan.

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Are you going to let use delete accounts not deactivate them? I want to use a new account and delete my back up one?  my lastfm one, not this one.
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Still waiting to be able to delete artists and tracks from the library.

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