Website update - 16th August

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Hey all,

We just released Sprint 190. Interesting bits from this release include:
  • Allow event search radius to be set
  • Combined playbar and masthead
  • Option to order albums by release date
A first version of shout notifications is included but can't be accessed yet. We're looking to turn this on in a few sprints time.

Cheers,
James
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If you all want to get all those music gigs in your city or around the world you should use songkick.
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Okay, nice. But i want to delete some artists of my library, some songs and i can't. One year since the new lastfm and you failed to bring back important options that were useful for all the users. 
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Option to order albums by release date
I would also like to be able to easily reverse this sorting, i.e. oldest albums on top (or least popular album). As it is now, I would have to use the pagination at the bottom and find the last page. Maybe this would also make sense for the shoutboxes. And being able to set this as my default in my website settings would be nice as well.
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Spoken, as we had spoken (together). It would also welcome an alphabetical sorting option.
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Sara Is a Fag

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Why the icon is now a blue inscription?
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Still, as many people have mentioned already, we have the issue of missing artwork for tracks. I am getting tired of these ugly gray default covers on my profile and in my library when I go through a lot of effort to upload artwork to the site. Not to mention that on some records the song list is missing. By the way, when will you return the BBC? (Bulletin Board Code(s)) Please; Thank You. WHY? Come on we want this to work. They work on Wikipedia commodities but they do not work in shouts.
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He's dead, Jim!

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In recent tracks, in the library or on artist pages?
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OK, for instance the track http://www.last.fm/music/Sara+Schiralli/_/Electric as you can see it's listed in the releases High from a Low and Electric. And as you can see neither of them have an album cover uploaded (OK, now they have as I uploaded them).

OK, let's look at another track. http://www.last.fm/music/Diving+With+Andy/_/Sugar+Sugar has the top release as Europe 1 L'Album and as you can see it has no cover. Mystery solved.
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Another example. Snovonne. Here the track is http://www.last.fm/music/Snovonne/_/Dressed+In+White and it's not on any album so that is the problem. If you change the track title to Dressed In White (Last Supper Song) it will work.
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I don't care if http://www.last.fm/music/Diving+With+Andy/_/Sugar+Sugar has the top release as Europe 1 L'Album. I Scrobbled it under http://www.last.fm/music/Diving+With+Andy/Sugar+Sugar which has an album cover. I think this just shows how broken the current system is. 

If I Scrobble a track, and the album it's from has artwork, it should not then be missing artwork in my library. Simple as that. 
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OK, the system is not perfect, but what if you scobble the same track from two different releases? Or if you scrobble from YouTube with no album info?
But at least now you know how to fix the covers that are missing.
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I don't Scrobble from YouTube. Everything I Scrobble has album info. For the last 4+ months I've uploaded artwork for every single Scrobbled track that's missing it. There should not be any missing artwork at all in my library. 

I've Scrobbled this track from multiple different releases and it still has artwork. 
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OK, the system is not perfect, but what if you scobble the same track from two different releases? Or if you scrobble from YouTube with no album info?
But at least now you know how to fix the covers that are missing.
I think saying the system's not perfect is an understatement. And I think I possibly speak for most people here who have been asking about this issue for months and months on end that there was no mystery about it, we're merely highlighting that the site is doing something it shouldn't - the programming is wrong. I made a dedicated topic for this problem several months ago here.

As I mentioned there at the time, the artwork next to OUR tracks in OUR library should reflect OUR scrobbles.

Why is this so hard to understand and get implemented? The scrobbling information is there and was present in the old version of Last FM, which managed quite easily to list every release you had scrobbled a track from in descending order of scrobbles. So what's the problem now? All the developers need to do is use this information that we all have and show the artwork for the release we've scrobbled it most from. The only difference from the old version is that the old version didn't show the artwork next to each track. The staff have already coded in the ability to show artwork, they just need to change the source.
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@James, unfortunately, at one of the above artists, Snovone, you have an album with a slightly wrong title:
you have it scrobbled like this:
http://www.last.fm/music/Snovonne/It%27s+Sno+Baby+%E2%80%93+Not+Sugar
while I believe it should have been like this:
http://www.last.fm/music/Snovonne/It%27s+Sno,+Baby+-+Not+Sugar
This in unfortunate, because you already have a quite large number of scrobbles to this album and it's un-practical for you to just remove scrobbles, correct the name of the album and re-scrobble it.
Only some sort of auto-correct will solve issues with this particular album, when (and IF) this will happen some day.
Also, this song: http://www.last.fm/music/Snovonne/_/Things+i+can%27t+se
I believe it has a wrong title (it should be with a "see" at the end, right ? :
http://www.last.fm/music/Snovonne/_/Things+I+can%27t+see


Other than this particular case, you're absolutely right: even if some song goes to more than one album, when I scrobble it from one particular album, the image in the recent tracks should be from this album, not simply a default image from the ... most popular album this song belongs to (if this is the criteria now).
It drives me crazy in "recent tracks" list also, for the same reason.

Perhaps it may be a criteria to show the song with a default image in the library, where you only may have one listing of the song, and you can't display multiple images if it belongs to (and even was scrobbled from) more than one album. But in the recent tracks list this is just plain wrong.
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The album art for recent tracks is as you uploaded it, but the album art for a track is taken from the most popular album is is on (if it is on any album). The same track can be on hundreds of different albums.
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That's fair, a bad example. I first Scrobbled Snovonne's "It's Sno, Baby - Not Sugar" in January 2015, before the Beta launch. It was Scrobbled from Spotify so the tags are out of my hands. Shouldn't Last.fm have fixed that for me? 

Putting the tags aside, the songs I've Scrobbled do have artwork and therefore should by displayed in my library. No?
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He's dead, Jim!

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And suddenly the topic switched from "The artwork is missing" to "I don't like the artwork".
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Who has said this, Jim?

As far as I am aware the "recent tracks" works correctly - if no artwork is showing (i.e. grey CD icon) then simply upload the artwork.

Under our libraries, however, is a mess.

Our libraries are meant to show our scrobbling history and therefore our listening habits, no? Isn't this kind of the key point of Last FM?

If I have scrobbles of a track from the original studio album only, then why on earth should my library show the artwork for some poxy compilation album that I've never heard of, let alone listened to, just because it's the "top release"?

There are two simple things that I believe we are all asking for here, and that we are failing to get any reaction to from official Last FM developers (please someone correct me if I'm wrong):
  • If we have played a track with NO associated album, then the current top image for an artist should show in our libraries next to the track concerned, instead of merely a grey CD icon.
  • Secondly, the tracks in our library should use our scrobbling information to make the adjacent artwork next to each track show the album artwork for the release we've scrobbled it the most from.
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Who has said this, Jim?

As far as I am aware the "recent tracks" works correctly - if no artwork is showing (i.e. grey CD icon) then simply upload the artwork.

Under our libraries, however, is a mess.

Our libraries are meant to show our scrobbling history and therefore our listening habits, no? Isn't this kind of the key point of Last FM?

If I have scrobbles of a track from the original studio album only, then why on earth should my library show the artwork for some poxy compilation album that I've never heard of, let alone listened to, just because it's the "top release"?

There are two simple things that I believe we are all asking for here, and that we are failing to get any reaction to from official Last FM developers (please someone correct me if I'm wrong):
  • If we have played a track with NO associated album, then the current top image for an artist should show in our libraries next to the track concerned, instead of merely a grey CD icon.
  • Secondly, the tracks in our library should use our scrobbling information to make the adjacent artwork next to each track show the album artwork for the release we've scrobbled it the most from.
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I think from now on, Elliot Robinson should be appointed as the official spokesperson for the LFM userbase. You, sir, hit the nail on head with every one of your suggestions and comments! :D
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Haha, thanks!
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If you listen to track X once from release A and once from release B. Which artwork should be displayed in your library?

Anyway, I have told you how to fix the issue of missing covers in the library. You may not like what cover is displayed, but now you know how to make sure there is at least come cover art displayed.
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IF I listen to track X once from release A the artwork next to track X should be the cover of release A. If I then listen to track X twice from release B then those two instances should display the cover of release B. WHY? Oh, dunno, maybe because that's the info I provided the system when I scrobbled the track? Yep, I think that's must be it. That's what the system used to do up until a year ago. It's not an issue of people liking or disliking the artwork displayed, Jim, it's an issue of displaying accurate information. Unless, of course, last.fm isn't about that at all anymore. Could be. 
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Wait, so after uploading several thousand album covers for the music I've listened to, I'm now expected to also go through the ~45,000 tracks I've Scrobbled and upload yet more artwork? That's ridiculous. The system is wrong. 
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If you listen to track X once from release A and once from release B. Which artwork should be displayed in your library?
Either the artwork from release A or release B - in this sort of situation, the release title that is alphabetically first could be used. Simple. Last FM already uses a similar structure on our scrobbles - if tracks in an album we've listened to have the same number of scrobbles, they are then arranged alphabetically.

However, your scenario is entirely missing the point of what I and several others are saying. Your hypothetical situation exists in a space where Last FM actually uses our scrobbling information to select the artwork next to our tracks - this is currently not happening, at least not intentionally.
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Okay, if it is for the "top" tracks in my library, I can see the reason to pick an image for some track, when this track belongs to multiple albums. This is OK.
But ... why does it needs to be the most popular albums all around the last.fm site (all users, entire database) ?!?
Isn't it even easier to "calculate" the most popular album for me ? (the one with the most scrobbles in my library) and chose this album's image for that track ?

As for the image next to the track in the "recent tracks" or the library page with list of scrobbles ... this is mandatory to be the image from the album is was scrobbled by me. You gotta admit this, @Jim.
If you'd listen to whole albums in a row, like I did most of the time (and other users too, I'm sure), and some track gets some "random" image (due to this criteria that picks the image from some presumably most popular album that contains this track) ... you must see how bad the list looks.
It may sound picky to you ... but try to understand is our choice to have things like this.
And it is much more logical to be like this.
This current criteria to chose the most popular album ... looks more like random chose of an image; if popularity of an album changes .. this mean that the song will change it's image in time ? Even from one week to another (if it's the case) ?

P.S. Maybe it's not such a bad idea that the songs that currently does not appear to belong to any album, due to various reasons, to have the general artist image next to them, than this grey default non-image !
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Consider this, you might be sending the correct scrobbling data to us with studio albums associated with every scrobbles but same is not true for all other users who scrobble from different sources. To give you some examples, Youtube scrobbles don't have album info, Spotify scrobbles often have wrong releases associated with the scrobbles, Soundcloud is even worse. The idea behind most popular release is that this solution works for most of the users. Now, this solution depends a huge deal on the quality of the catalogue and corrections and we are still working to improve these.
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The idea behind most popular release is that this solution works for most of the users.
With respect, Sachin, but it categorically doesn't - how can it? It is also not representative of a users scrobbles. With this system you're, in a way, prioritorising and making excuses for poor scrobbling data. If someone scrobbles accurately labelled music they currently have to make do with a "most popular" fudging.

Since you've engaged with this thread, which I appreciate, let me ask you one simple question, Sachin: why won't you (as a team) make it so the artwork next to a user's library tracks is that of the album they have scrobbled it most from?

The information is literally right there. This is more accurate and makes more sense for a user when looking at their library. Having the artwork be of the "most popular" release (from across all of Last FM) for each track is utterly meaningless to a listener. Instead of embracing the stats available for each of us, you (as a team) seem to want to hide and overlook them, preferring this god-awful "most popular" malarkey.
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I'm not suggesting that we won't change it to display the artwork for most scrobbled album but I was trying to give you an insight into why we chose the most popular album as the first solution.

Also, this feature was not available in the old site so saying that the system worked before is not entirely true.
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Well it's good to hear that we're hopefully not stuck with "most popular", so thanks for replying.

I realise the artwork wasn't shown next to tracks on the old site, but what the old site did do was list all the releases we had scrobbled each track from in descending order of scrobbles, so we (and other users) could see which was the favoured release for each song. The current form of the new library actually shows less information than the one on the old site. I would like to think this information will return.
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You can still see that not in aggregated form but individual scrobbles if you click on a track in your library or by going to this url http://www.last.fm/user/_/library/music/<artist>/_/<track>
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I give up. Should have a long, long time ago too.
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I'm aware that the scrobbles contain the associated album details, but if it's not aggregated, then it's not very useful.

Please consider bringing back the mini-lists of all the releases each track has been played from by a user and displayed in their library, or at the very least the correct artwork next to each track of the album a user has scrobbled it the most from.
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Sachin (who might want to set us on fire for complaining)
lol, indeed. I'm grateful he is at least talking with us about this issue.
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It's a great word! :)
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Only one question left: What are you currently working on?
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And now the tiny video window is forced even more into the corner. Bring back the old YT video player.
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Or even better, give us radio without videos. If we wanted videos, we would go straight to YouTube.
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If you don't want videos then you can change source to spotify.
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clicking on Last.fm logo and HOME leads to the same page, why not rename HOME to DISCOVER?

Home is a bit misleading as I thing of my profilepage as Home which now is the icon on the top right. lots of mouse movements to get there and also goes for the search option (in my browser on my desktop). I need en use those two a lot each day and would like them to be more central. or have one of them more to the top left which my eyes tend to look first on a page.

search is a bit crazy > first go to the extreme right to continue at the extreme left. Have both on on side or both in the middle but this is just crazy lots of mouse movements and clicks. This website still likes to endorse more RSI than decrease that. Plus way to much empty useless white space.
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Do you think we could have a playlist inside the events? for example a  "Play artists in this event"  or "Play the Lineup" like in each band page or genre page. That would be awesome.

thanks
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The old site had a feature like this called Festival Radio which made sense to listen to. I don't know if there are plans to reintroduce it though.
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It's been discussed and I think we want to revive it.
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Duplicate albums, when are you gonna fix it? 
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The more i go through my library the more duplicated albums I find.... this is ridiculous
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This new player in the page is slightly worse than the previous from when the site was still "beta" :-)
Currently the "progress" bar of the playing is barely visible; mostly because now is just a tiny-winy bar (not larger than 2-3 pixels, I suppose), and it's ABOVE the player, making it even harder to spot it.
After you finally identify the progress bar, you have to hover the mouse over it, in order to simply see the position in the song; which position is only in the form of remaining time; no option to change this if you wish to do it (okay, it happens that I like this better than to display the time passed from the song, but I still want to be able to change it somehow).
There's even a funny thing about it: when the song is just beginning (only first 2-3 seconds) and you hover the mouse over this progress bar, the number with remaining time left doesn't even fits the screen; it slowly grows from left to right, as if coming out from a tunnel :-)

Is this intentionally so ?
It's just a new player, rebuilt from scratch, and it will get new features as time goes by ?
Or are we left with this forever ?


P.S. The "Home" button/link in the upper right corner is somehow misleading: it leads me to the general page www.last.fm/home , and not to MY homepage as I expected.
I prefer to have this link to my homepage, and this "home" (recommendations, actually) to remain only on last.fm sign/logo.
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great! but still many venues doesn't show in events for city (no matter how big radius is). for example events for grodzka 42 in krakow.
http://www.last.fm/pl/event/4267976+Highlow+at+Grodzka+42+Hard+Rock+Music+on+27+August+2016
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I find it mind boggling that in 2016, after all the websites that exist around the web with sorting options, that you haven't created the reverse option for sorting albums by release date; newest-to-oldest and oldest-to-newest. This shouldn't have to have been pointed out to you by numerous users on here.

There are also a lot of incorrect dates being applied to digital releases where I'm guessing they're using the date it was added to the digital retail stores rather than when the music was actually released originally. Not quite sure how you're going to be able to fix this - I feel like it'll likely need to be done through user help, submitting the correction information. After all, any sorting is meaningless if the information being used to sort is incorrect.

To end on a positive, I suppose the header looks nicer. ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄
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Combined playbar and masthead
I like that the new playbar now shows the correct album cover with a direct link to the album page if available which wasn't possible before. If there is no album page on Last.fm yet, there should be a small popup informing me about this when clicking on the generic cover.  It is also interesting that it sometimes differs from the album cover shown in my recent tracks list when scrobbling from Spotify. ;-)

By the way, it seems that the problems with Spotify ads pausing the radio playback are gone, at least for now after listening to my Mix radio for about an hour. Is it possible to have longer programs in our personal radios in the future? I guess the maximum 25 tracks sent to Spotify are not enough sometimes when Spotify does not find them in their catalogue and therefore skips some of them.

But the thin red progress bar on top of it is too tiny in my opinion, it should either be thicker like the one in YouTube videos or maybe at the bottom of the playbar, so you would notice it more easily due to the dark background.

And linking to our homepage twice with the logo and the "Home" link might be unnecessary, too, if available space is an issue in the navigation bar. Maybe adding the direct link in the dropdown with our avatar thumbnail would be enough, and calling it "Recommendations" then as well, as new users might ask themselves how to find them.

Last but not least the Forehead.fm issue is back due to an even smaller background banner, maybe simply making it larger again would make sense, or finally replace it with something else like a top  5-10 artists thumbnail lineup.
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But the thin red progress bar on top of it is too tiny in my opinion, it should either be thicker like the one in YouTube videos...

Maybe something like this?



Still hoping we can use our own images for the header. It adds a nice personal touch. Customization is a good thing! Using a script to do it means only I can see it on my profile.
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Combining the playbar and masthead was a good idea, nice.
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Just for the fun of it .... On the very bottom of any page on last.fm, there still this red band (strip ?) that says "You’re viewing a beta version of the new Last.fm website. Leave feedback" (and the link to "leave feedback" still works).

Is this something that slipped away from reviewers of the changes or rather something intentional left there ?
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That's annoying -- I raised this with the team weeks ago. >_>
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neo

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More advertisement and shouts are more important.
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Loving the new header. Big fan of the last.fm logo loading graphic, nice touch.

First saw it on a 1024x768 monitor - thought the responsive design had kicked in and switched me to a mobile view. Was happy to see I was wrong :-)

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