Website update - 17th May

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Hello everyone,

We just released the following:

Current Obsession released
All users can now set their Current Obsession. Read more about Current Obsessions when we released it as a subscriber preview.

Retina icons
All icons now also have retina versions

Event line-up improvements
We've fixed how large event line-ups behave. We now show a stripped down set of artists on the event page and have a dedicated subpage for browsing the full line-up. We've also fixed the counts in the header. See https://www.last.fm/festival/4267842+The+Great+Escape+Festival

Cancelled events
We now clearly mark cancelled events

Attendees you know
Quickly see the attendees you know at the top of event pages

Capsfixer tool deployed

yOU wiLl seE LEsS of thiS vERY soOn. It'll take a little while for the changes to filter through but we now have a way to fix these bad tags.

Library link conventions
We've standardised on how you navigate the library compared to the rest of the site. Artist, track, and album names link to the catalogue page; numbers in charts link through to the library page

Bugfixes
  • Fix for misaligned lists in Safari
  • Removed that dotted underline in header stats

Cheers,
Team Last.fm
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James Scott, Web dev lead

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It's amazing seeing that the tags are finally being corrected, thank you for that, but I do have one question. I noticed that many corrected tags aren't following the capitalisation guidelines, words like "in", "of," "from", "the", among others, are capitalized, which is wrong.

Some examples:
https://www.last.fm/pt/music/Nicki+Minaj/_/Regret+In+Your+Tears should be "Regret in Your Tears"
https://www.last.fm/pt/music/Paramore/After+Laughter/Caught+In+The+Middle should be "Caught in the Middle"
https://www.last.fm/pt/music/Harry+Styles/_/Sign+Of+The+Times should be "Sign of the Times" (I did request this one to be corrected and it seemed to be ignored)

So, do you guys don't follow that guideline anymore? If you still do, don't you think it would be better to correct the tags with the correct capitalisation for once instead of just changing them however the users put them on the form?
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Sorry about that, I'll redo those, but our main priority has been fIXinG tHis nOnseNse.
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whoislibrious

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Oh ok, thanks. The first two tags were also messed up before, tho.
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Jon, all tags corrections suggested by that form have already been fixed or will they still be fixed in the next few days? I have suggested some and they continue with capitalisation wrong! But thank you very much for arranging the tags were really very bad, I hope the suggestion option as in the past will come back soon too! Good job ;)
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some answer?
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Since it looks like we're going the "fix capitalisation by algorithm" route, I should note that correct English guidelines indicate that verbs should always be capitalised even if they're short (including forms of "to be"), and parts of verb phrases should also always be capitalised. This can produce difficulties for algorithms, since it means words like "on" should be capitalised at some points and not at others.

Another note is that the last word in English titles is always capitalised, regardless of what part of speech it is. Thus, the Nine Inch Nails title should be "Copy of A", whereas it would be "Copy of a Copy". Similarly, the Cynic song title should be "I'm but a Wave To".

Additionally, languages other than English have different guidelines for capitalisation. Spanish, Italian, and Latin, for example, capitalise only the first words of titles and proper nouns. German capitalises only the first word and nouns. French has really complicated guidelines (MusicBrainz has a pretty thorough overview; the tl;dr is that the first word is capitalised, as is the first noun if the first word is a definite article, and the first adjective if it precedes the first noun; there can also be two-part titles divided by "o", in which the second half of the title will follow similar rules). It annoys me to see foreign titles capitalised incorrectly; most languages follow guidelines like the Spanish ones. It should be noted that even bands recording in those languages don't always follow their own languages' guidelines, probably because it's just assumed that English title convention extends to other languages.

Finally, some bands deliberately use non-standard capitalisation for their song titles. A lot of Japanese bands that record in English use all-caps titles, for example. This looks terrible to me, because it feels as though someone is shouting at me, and I always disregard these and use standard capitalisation in my library, but apparently some people get really, really angry if you don't capitalise the titles exactly the way the bands do. If the algorithm ends up changing these, you're going to get a lot of people complaining (though frankly, I'll be pleased).

Most people probably don't care about this, but seeing incorrect capitalisation angers my inner grammar Nazi, so I'd like to see this implemented as correctly as possible. I can live with it for awhile if the verb phrase thing isn't done correctly (because it depends on algorithms being able to parse whether a word is part of a verb phrase), but the "forms of to be" and "foreign languages" thing will quite irk me if done incorrectly.

It might ultimately end up being simpler just to copy MusicBrainz' capitalisation for song titles.
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A lot of Japanese bands that record in English use all-caps titles, for example. This looks terrible to me, because it feels as though someone is shouting at me, and I always disregard these and use standard capitalisation in my library, but apparently some people get really, really angry if you don't capitalise the titles exactly the way the bands do. If the algorithm ends up changing these, you're going to get a lot of people complaining (though frankly, I'll be pleased).
I couldn't agree more with this part of your reply - same applies to Korean music. There seems to be this weird, absolutely literal interpretation of song and album titles from these countries, rather than recognising creative design flairs that exist as part of the artwork.

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