Website update - 25th February (nothing to see here)

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Well, hello,

We've released Sprint 178 this week. This was mostly an admin sprint with some bugfixing; some ad config; paypal integration; and preparation for the coming catalogue beta. This means there's not a whole lot of changes to see on the site.

Sprint 179 should be a little bit more exciting. We're doing some work on track pages and the ability to browse images by upload date will hopefully be a thing. The catalogue work is also continuing with some genuine breakthroughs happening right now. I was just in a meeting about it. Good 

Anyway, more updates soon and a more substantial release post in a couple of weeks.

Cheers,
Team Last.fm
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James Scott, Web dev lead

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Contempt

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Ok.

Tags in the library.
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Ілля Дробчак

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Hi, I am a moderator of russian-speaking community of last.fm users (https://vk.com/last.fm_user). We had a big discussion about things we want to be added on last.fm. So, I am here to report you results.
1. 8 users want to return section "About me". (BB-codes, time-based charts, clouds of tags)
2. 4 users want section "Your friends listening now" on main page.
3. 5 users want to see on artist`s pages information about friends, who has listened that artist (yes, we know about plugin).
4. Also, 4 guys want to see improvements of search function: live search, search of tags, search by few tags.
5. 3 users hope to see possibility to see most popular tracks of artists not only for all time, but for last 6 months (On the artist's pages)
5. 3 people need "neghbors" page, tags of users, user`s country on their pages. 

Also, we need notifications about new subscribes, normal events, normal communities, possibility to add new albums and to see list of new albums of "our" bands somewhere. 

Also, I've heard desires to see "top-listeners" on band`s pages and possibility of creating user's playlists.

Can we get some kind of respond? For what things we can hope?
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jazzthieve

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So who are you and more importantly who do you think you are?  You want? How about you start by perhaps asking nicely instead of what you want and some few others who were "in a big discussion". 
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psychicfork013

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@jazzthieve I don't think they meant that in an dickish way. I think they just wanted to let them know what is most important to a large group of people so it can be maybe be prioritized (ha!) here. Although I do think he was asking nicely, I also I think six months is enough time to give up on asking nicely because it doesn't do anything anyway.
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Elliot Robinson

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Also, English is likely his second language, so his directness is probably unintentional
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Elliot Robinson

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Also, English is likely his second language, so his directness is probably unintentional
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kpyk

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i love when #3 will be real
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jdawg70

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Would it be possible to get a little more detail insofar as what 'catalogue work' means?  I just don't have any sense of what would constitute a 'breakthrough' and I am genuinely curious.  And, I guess, I'm kinda curious as to what the general level of undertaking the 'catalogue work' is.  But I've got like no sense of it now.
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The significance of this update, think about it, it is the first complete one we have had in almost 7 months.

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vs271

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Thanks Sachin, That sounds quite promising and almost too good to be true. With all the artists and songs out there, the correction library will be massive.
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Thanks Sachin.  Admittedly, I haven't the slightest clue what a breakthrough would be in that regard (hopefully it isn't something as silly as "oh yeah we can import the old data," but that would be kind of funny at least).

But I have a better sense of what 'catalogue work' entails.  To be honest, though, what you are describing sounds like a really open-ended task (e.g. regularly updating new releases).  And - I know this is going to sound like me being a jerk but please understand that I don't want to sound like a jerk - understand that, for some of us, we're just a *tad* weary about Last.fm's ability to produce a functional 'catalogue beta'.  Some of us are thinking about the last beta rollout that Last.fm has done...er, is doing.

I honestly hope you understand at least *why* some of us might be a little scared about a beta rollout of what appears to be very important data.  If I may make a recommendation - hold back on scrapping whatever current release version you have until sometime *after* you roll out the beta.  At least give the beta a bit of time to be vetted out before irreversibly trashing what is currently in place.

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Also, just to be adamantly clear here, I do sincerely appreciate your reply to my post.  I've been harping a lot about communication issues with Last.fm staff for the past 7 months over 79 posts, and to be honest, I am pretty sure this is the very time a Last.fm representative/employee has actually acknowledged my post.  So thanks for that.
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jdawg70, I know where you are coming from. Catalogue is the backbone of last.fm so there is no chance that we want to mess it up. There will be enough testing before we roll out the changes to make sure that it doesn't make things worse at the very least.
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Exactly, everyone is flipping a coin that is flat on both sides with no heads or tails to call on the toss.

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Thanks for the notice, James. 

As you may know, YouTube is now an official client of digital distribution aggregators (like The Orchard, CD Baby, Tunecore, etc.), and regularly generates what they call "Art Tracks" for all music received from them. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN-eY72v9zw

This could be a resource to bulk up greatly the number of tracks available for streaming. (Many videos are missing on Last.fm currently, and I've been adding back hundreds of my favorites)

The possible action that Last.fm could take: 
Connect YouTube "Art Tracks" to any Last.fm track pages with missing (or grey-icon "dead link") videos. For search convenience: Art Tracks always contain the phrases "Auto-generated by YouTube" and "Provided to YouTube by [aggregator name]."

Cheers, ~ Kris
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Hi Kryystof,

I believe these new channels (#artistname), have been created for youtube red which is only available at present in the US.
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Thanks, Pellitero. Are you saying that you (in UK, right?) can't view any of these YouTube-generated "art track" vids? -- like this one, for your all-time top track by CatPeople ;-) -- 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OcaK99_RK0

I have attached many of these art track vids to Last.fm track pages -- although being in the US, I can't tell whether users in other countries can see them.
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I am afraid so, Kryystof. They are not available in the UK (not sure about other territories, I would have to check).

Don't worry, I also do the same and associate these official channels' content, even if most of them are not available outside the US (at the moment). On the territories where they are not, the system will play the next available video for the track, plus users can also suggest other available ones.


 
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I am afraid so, Kryystof. They are not available in the UK (not sure about other territories, I would have to check).
I get this in Germany for that link as well: "This video is not available. Sorry about that." Even for German artists collected by YouTube in one of these new channels, by the way (Hello, GEMA...). So I avoid adding them on a Last.fm track page when searching for a playable Youtube clip.
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Thanks for comments, everyone. I'm assuming that eventually most/all countries will be able to see YouTube's auto-generated "Art Track" videos. One advantage of them is that their audio quality is top-notch (of course, artist-produced "official" videos are always preferable). For less popular artists, one of these art track vids may be the only one available for any given song. And Pellitero said that the system can store more than one video for each song -- so that alternatives to the (currently US-only) art track videos can play in other territories.
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*great update, absorbing.
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I appreciate the honesty in declaring there's nothing relevant for the lastfm public in this sprint.

Regarding the next updates... does anyone really care about stuff like "browsing images by upload date", with still no tags, no events fixed, no neighbours etc.? really?
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Actually, this has been requested by quite a few people over the last few months - particularly as a way of seeing if a new photo had already been uploaded by someone else.  It's also useful for the moderation and support teams.   Afaik, it's fairly quick and easy and makes sense to do this now, while we're wrapping up images. 

Neighbours, we've said before, is lined up as part of social project next quarter, and we'll be doing another pass at events before summer (we want to get it fixed before the festival season kicks in).  I'll find out about tags - I think it depends on the catalogue work.

>>>I'd much rather the time be spent chipping away at something more substantial.

Catalogue and corrections is substantial and needs to get done before anything else, and this is where most of the team's time is invested right now.  If scrobbles are the lifeblood of Last.fm, you could say that the catalogue is the backbone.  There's little point doing social, tags, playlists, the API, or anything else until the catalogue is up-to-date and showing accurate data.  A cursory glance at the forums will show you we're getting a ton of topics raised about this now. 
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I'd really rather have at least a few more social features so the site doesn't feel dead as a doornail anymore. I just get the feeling that the team tackling this new site is way to small for a project of that size. It's gonna take years until we're back to what we had before.
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[I think its a friend thing?] Regardless; to repeat you guys from yesterday, given what has been produced up to this point, that catalogue project (where did old one go?) and all that is linked to it; what 5,6 years from now?
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Blvck Ceiling Town; Pullman. We are (down to 11 of us) on Puget Sound north-end/Straits, and events places us in Seattle-Tacoma, so that border crossing and then 5 hours later north city limits - nope, that is not near me.

We used to just write in Bellingham and get both Vancouver and Seattle; it’s frustrating when there appears to be no customer service that I can see of? And it is a problem.
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:)
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Looking forward to Sprint 179 and the new catalog!
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Please take into account situation like:

I tagged one track incorrectly, but I realised it only after I scrobbled it already 30 times - will I be able to correct it immediately, especially if I am the only person who scrobbled this track under that tag? 
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Hi karol2d,

If the correction is not made automatically by the new catalogue (depending on how different the spelling on your library is), the team is also developing a tool to manually correct these cases.
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Sounds promising, thank you.
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neo

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Still no way to block the trolls following me?
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the ability to browse images by upload date
That's okay, but how is it a priority? what about grid library OR the ability to browse your library by alphabetical order instead?
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...but those things are HARD. :(
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What about fixing the app?

It still scrobbles just fine, but I can't open the app itself. It always crashes when I do.
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Hi James,

If you are referring to desktop scrobbler for Mac, we are testing a new build as we speak, which solves the crash.
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James L.

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Well I don't use a Mac so I wasn't referring to that, I meant the mobile app.
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I don't use a Mac, just a normal desktop pc. Will this version of the app be fixed? It hasn't worked properly for years.
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(stoned?) I am surprised they don't listen to the real experts, that would be the users? as far as what happened yesterday, what could happen, they have done one thing very successfully, that is suppress information.

So really anyone's guess on whats going on here?
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At this point, all I would like is for my compilation/Various Artist albums to scrobble correctly. Anything else is just a bonus for me.
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rotane

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Indeed. This is definitely the MOST important thing that needs fixing.
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latestaccessory

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Yes, that future needs to come back the most.
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At Oussama

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How about you fix your own stuffs first.
Artist= the artist of the track
Album Artist= this should be "Various Artists"

Last.fm is very clear about this matter!
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Looking forward to events improvement (venue creation, artists removal, cancelling events, very important!), wiki pages, friends listens on artist pages and, of course, the username change thing.
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Better to stop messing around with the site until the dislike button is back
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The subscription history doesn't include the current subscription period. So the subscriber doesn't see, when it ends. Furthermore I'm missing the subscriber benefit "visibility of the last 6 visitors". Could you repair this please? Don't be offended, but the current merchandise discount seems not to be a very attractive reason to become a subscriber. Additional gifts / advantages for subscriber are also thinkable. What do you think about that?
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Please let me reset my plays!
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Also, what about the auto-update of now playing track on our profiles?
That was probably the best Labs feature ever! it's very useful!
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What I would really like is the possibility to delete entire tracks from the library with just two clicks. Just like the way it was.
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I take it you guys are using 2 week sprints? Is there anyway us mere users can vote on issue's/features? Haven't found anything like that around here.

Anyways, what I really wanted to ask is this: Will you bring back the 'ban" button? I'm a heavy user of the "Your recommendations" & "your mix" radio's (well, I am again, now that I gotten it to work properly on linux with spotify) and sometimes a song will sneak into that from a band with the same name as one I like but with completely opposite styles.

eg: Helix, i want the main one, the metal one, not one of those others with their dance & trance & whatnkot, how to ban those tracks?
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You can search for an existing idea on this forum or create a new idea if yours does not exist and hope that people vote for it by clicking the Me Too button on your idea. See also the available options and possible status of each category on the Advanced Search page:

https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/search/show

FILTER BY TYPE:

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But the best way to make sure that Last.fm gets your feedback is to use the feedback form for the beta site which you can access via the red banner at the bottom of each page.

I think the ban button will be back in some way or another, and as far as I remember community manager Jon has already answered a similar request on this forum. Unfortunately you cannot search for users on Get Satisfaction which would make the search for useful replies much easier.
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Thanks for fixing that terribly annoying loving tracks bug. Appreciated! :)
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Hey! You spotted that quickly. We only released that about five minutes ago.

(glad to have helped)
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If I were to wager a gamble, I'd guess the old codebase was deemed unsupportable by the current dev team hence the complete rewrite & reïmplementation. 

Just a guess of course, but it's the only logical one I can think of
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There is a reason no doubt; it’s just outside the realms of good a reason.
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aaaa player is now working perfectly, now for the first time i can listen all my loved songs. Thanks!
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I_C

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One pass through the “community” forums and it looks like those “genuine breakthroughs (ARE) happening right now.” I have been problem free since the nothing update, go figure?

Well you can toss the default image in place for specialty tracks in while you figure out the major bugs that were eggs when you were not listening to our complaints – perhaps you’ll start listening or tell us what is really going on?

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Forgiving? they are ready to mop the deck
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Groups

James, thks for the update!
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I hope your later sprints will have more changes to see on the site, preferably re-implementing Top Listeners of bands.

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