Website update - 25th January

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Hi all,

Thank you. And a Happy New Year to you too!

We've just released Sprint 200. This includes:

  • Last.week - http://www.last.fm/user/_/listening-report/week
    Like Last.year but weekly. Also includes some tweaks such as a more exciting tags visualisation, and the addition of a 6-months average on the listening clock for subscribers.
  • Better empty states and how-to-scrobble messaging
    Some prompts across the site to better explain how to get started on Last.fm.

We're already working on improvements to Last.week but let us know what else you'd like to see on there.


Cheers,
Team Last.fm

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Samitha Jayaweera

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WoW AmaZing visualisation!!!
Is it time to let users VOTE on what features to be implemented first!!
btw cool visulisation but i think i remember similer but way better visulisation on last.fm playground before
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Samitha Jayaweera

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I think let other 3rd parties develop visualization because they can get the data via api's ex:http://www.lastchart.com/
and you guys can focus on core functionality like
stable scrobbles  with no duplicates , missings 
way to suggest missing spotify links 
way to suggest duplicate artists,tracks
able to play similar tracks of a song (not only 4)
i use this:http://www.spotalike.com/ but it's so much trouble 
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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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Thanks for your feedback Samitha.  On every thread tagged as an 'Idea' there's a "Vote button ('me too' for problems) - please make sure you're using this to let us know which ideas and feature requests you think are the most beneficial.  I can't guarantee that we will do them right away (I don't have a direct say in what gets worked on), but it helps me report to the management team which ideas and features are the most popular in the community, which issues are the most pressing and so on. 
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A better alternative to spotalike is www.moosic.me,  which generates the correct order of similar tracks (up to 250).
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I like the direction, but have little use for the neat-looking graph.  It would become quite useful if it displayed personal tags.  Tags such as alternative, indie, pop, rock, etc., are way to generic to be of much use.
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Samitha Jayaweera

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Thanks Jon for replying :)
so it's below link i think everyone should keep track and vote on if you want them to prioritize the features that they want to focus on
https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/categories/lastfm_apps?topic-list[settings][type]=idea

@Action Radar thank you very much!!!
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Is it time to let users VOTE on what features to be implemented first!!
Hey Samitha
I totally agree to your suggestion. Can you make a thread of this as an idea please? Like Jon pointed out, everybody (and myself of course) could vote for this procedure. And in the logic of his argument your suggestion "should" get real.(1)(2)
  (1: Provided that enough votes (how much is enough?) are received.)
  (2: with no guarantee and in dependency of "the management teams" decision.)

And by the way: If you could have chosen between the fancy last.week tool and tools like creating.playlists (hopefully also playable with Spotify or Youtube) or between the last.week vs. your own.tags or last.week vs. last.journal, for this sprint number 200 what would you have taken?
I'm curios about your choise.
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"... Vote button ('me too' for problems) ...  to let us know which ideas and feature requests you think are the most beneficial. ..."
Hello Jon
Your repeated note sounds logical, simple and helpful. But after roundabout 1,5 years it didn't looks like it works in the way you wrote. For example the tags thread got 52 "me too's" and what was happening - nothing.
On the other hand I can't the suggesting thread for this last.week tool nor the costumers votes on it.
And you and me and the most on GetSat be aware about the long list of user wishes. So after all, your mentioned voting system (and I like the concept and wish it "would" work) looks like fake.

Your explanation about the "management team" offers a picture of a team with decision makers from outsite of the last.fm team where last.fm hasn't the last word about the development direction. If you're not free in your position to confirm this, maybe you can send me a wink I understand.
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exactly!!

I think it will be much clear if take voting to a separate page rather than
 https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/categories/lastfm_apps?topic-list[settings][type]=idea
like ex: seperate reddit thread or even facebook or something like that

being a developer myself i hate see people who put blame on developers all this time when the problem is within management/Community & Customer Services as seen per Jon's comment.
So let make it CLEAR for them what we NEED 

btw in reddit.com/r/DotA2 this is how get things done even within day or 2 (upvoting)
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* correction: "... I can't FIND the suggesting ..."
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Last.week & more stats.

I'm a fan of statistics and I liked the Last.year overview which got replaced now by the more up to date Last.week. I'd like to have these statistics for variable periods of time, meaning I want to set the time span manually, like I can set the time for "top tracks" to "all time" or "last 30 days". I know that calculating these advanced statistics could take a lot of computing power, so this is just an expression of a wish.
 
I remember there was an offline tool for statistic analysis of exported libraries linked in the old playground, but it doesn't really work anymore. Maybe someone knows an alternative programme. The more stats the better. There was a lot of fun stuff in the playground like the age/genderplot etc., I hope someone will bring this back.
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Саша Зинуков

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In Russian translation there is an extra dot after "Downolad scrobbler" hyperlink. 
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Саша Зинуков

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And guys! PLEASE fix bugs in events creating and pictures updating!!!!!! And we need the ability to add new places.
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robot

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and moderation in events
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fuminsho_

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When will neighbours radio station come back?
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Саша Зинуков

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When i go from last.week page to last.year, website opens english localization. Fix pls.
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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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Thanks for reporting - I've flagged this and the translation error with the team.
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Саша Зинуков

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Jon, when i change my localization manually in last.year to Russian and then go to last.week it also changes the localization.
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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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Thanks, I'll add this to the ticket.
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This is a static picture (year) & and updating do not occur. What for we need it?!
and you are confident that the year consists of 11 months ?!
it's not development, and a crutch of crutches...
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Hans-Jurgen (I believe) said that December 2016 will be featured in the 2017 last.year. Last.week, for the most part, looks like a greater and more realistic improvement covering a shorter time period.


Look at Spotify's year-end reports, which only cover January through October, ten months. But nobody is complaining about that.

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I don't use spotify anyway, but I think that nobody complains about it because Spotify is a streaming app, not a 'scrobbling' one, it doesn't have charts nor show your stats, their year-end report is more like a little bonus or something. Lastfm though, has charts and scrobbling as its main function, if you click on "2016" on your library, it shows the scrobbles for the 12 months of the year, why should the year-end report has only 11? It makes it inaccurate
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Tom Stephen

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Honestly, I'm disappointed. I know, functions for fun are nice, but while we all hope for something more useful, it's just... sad.
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Tom Stephen

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Also, is it bug or something else, that while showing stats for 16.01.2017-22.01.2017, I have totally different tags meter? Includes whole month before. If it's correct, it should be at least named better, giving us knowledge that summing up last week includes also summing up last month.

 
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I would also like some clarification here. Why does the date range from December 12th to January 16th for my weekly top tags? Is this a display issue?
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James Joul

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Jon, Community & Customer Services

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Thanks for flagging - a fix for this should go out tomorrow.
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Мамонтёнок

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Yep, the problem is real since I have such tags as Unerground hip-hop, Experimental hip-hop
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James Joul

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Still an issue.

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Unfortunately there's only so much space we can allocate to tag names, so something has to give. Now, rather than accidentally cutting off the name, we truncate as we do elsewhere on the site. We have also added a tooltip so most of the longer tag names can be read on mouseover.
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That's a shame. I like being able to view my top tags for the week(s), but I always thought this way of showing it was rather... Messy. Lines going all over the place. With longer tags being cut off it just looks unfinished. 

I'd quite like a more comprehensive list of my weekly listening habits. 5 tags doesn't really cut it. On the old site I would use a community tool to generate a large tag cloud and post it on my profile for everyone to see what kind of music I've been listening to recently. Unfortunately that's not possible anymore, and most of the good community created tools have disappeared.

Also, could you explain why the "Top Tags" span several weeks when the other stats and graphics show data for just a single week?
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Frankly, I personally don't understand and can't read this tags' graphics at all. So, the tags' truncation is not a big deal :)
(an explanation would be great)
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Ok, nice feature and tags chart looks cool. But jesus, I can't do anything but agree with everyone else: Invest more of your time on fixing bugs that are long due to be fixed and bringing back old and important features that the users ask for since beta came in! How little the site improved on this aspect since August 2015 is frustrating and concerning...

By the way, there's a way better and more detailed third-party website that does this new feature job in a more interesting way (like being able to see past weekly charts with interactive charts, etc etc): http://www.gifboard.com.br/lastfm/

(you can switch it to English once you sign up)
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Did you vote on bugfixes/suggestions?
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Marcus Vinicius

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yes, every once in a while I come to this forum to check on suggestions and bugfixes and reported/suggested a few of them myself.
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You spent 1.5 months to make a stripped down version of Last.year?
Well, you never stop to amaze me.
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Action Radar

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Most of that time was the staff's winter vacation, so that makes only a couple weeks worth of an update. Still, last.week should update in real time, unlike last.year
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Hey, Action Radar,
Always admire your way of reasoning. Last update was December 8th, then stripped down "update" on January 25th. That means almost TWO MONTHS of winter vacation. Man, I'd LOVE to have a job when I have half-assed product in beta stage, pissed off users and go for two months holiday break just chilling out.

Unfortunately, in my work we only got 2 days off due to bank holidays and around 1 week around christmas time off your yearly days off pool. But then again, I work in an environment where clients/users communication and satisfaction is priority.

You say you registered somewhere last year. I've been here since 2004, so almost from the beginning so excuse me but this is just plain clear that there is no clear reasoning to have this site back up and be a leader for music community lovers as it aspired to be.
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Action Radar

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Last.week's tag tube reminds me of an old feature on the playground.
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lennie

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me too =) but if I'm right, the tube graph was also available for artists
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first of all: thanks. seriously. it's always nice to see that there is still something going on.

but it's exactly updates like this that makes everybody wonder: what's the point? why showing tags, when it's still not possible to browse or even search from them properly? why tracking events, when we can't search them or add new venues? 

even tough I like those fancy graphs, I wonder where your priorities are. Instead of saying that you are further improving last.week, why not just give an update about the rest of the things we all miss since more than a year? 
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Did you actually delete my comment, just for sarcastically saying that you should also add "Last.day" as the next update? Wow.
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Bru No

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I think it would be extremely urgent for you to correct the wrong names of the albums, for example ... at the moment I'm listening to the band SHE WANTS REVENGE, and I went looking for spotify, but in spotify I only had the international version of the album, so I had to listen to the album through windows media player because of the wrong tag, it would be good if these spotify albums are automatically corrected by the "right" tag.

https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/problems-no-information-and-wrongs-tag-for-some-albums
i did a post a tima ago about it

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iphone app: "Updated: Jan 17, 2014," 3 years! 
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Action Radar

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https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/to...

The release date of the iOS update hasn't been set, but it must happen later this year.
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Well, that's what they said last year as well, according to that thread...
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Frankenrin

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Haha, no, I guess I wasn't. That was when I still cared about scrobbling from mobile, but I gave that up shortly after. It's just not reliably possible right now.

But: All I see in there is "planned for later this year", posted 9 months ago so that obviously didn't happen, and then "working on it, but no release date yet" a week ago. It's nice to see that there's progress being made apparently, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm also ready to bet that it's going to be an unfinished, bug-ridden mess once it's finally here, and will stay like that for months.
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I've been thinking of some ideas to be introduced to lastfm's service, and I'd love to hear from you.

Some ideas for the site, I hope to help


- Create a timeline, where we can see what the people I follow are listening, give tips for albums followers, polls about music, etc.


- Share with fb the last songs heard, not as a post, but as an activity. like spotify 


- one attractive thing about the site would be a page dedicated to the charts do lastfm

(With information of how many executions the track had in a period of time), and others charts outside the site, very important ones like billboard and the charts of spotify)


- Take all the functionality of the site to the LASTFM APP MOBILE, it would be mega smart of the team to strengthen the APP and make people take an interest in it by taking the functionality of the site to the APP mobile( ITS THE THING TO DO), with that the site would gain much more enrolled, and with that the Social network would grow very fast

- Make APP PC AND MOBILE of LASTFM a music player, when the user downloads the app he can login with the facebook or google account to automatically create an account in lastfm.

- Google music, has a very cool functionality that few know, perhaps.

There we can upload 30 thousand songs of ours, if last fm brought this opportunity to users would be a great strategy as well




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This is all fancy shmancy!  It's nice.   But please get the Autocorrection working.   The charts are a mess.  It's the charts why we keep coming back to this site.  Any timeline on this?
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Pretty freakin' cool Last.fm. Pretty freakin' cool. In the future I would like to see some more of the filters from our Library applied to this as well: 30 days, 90 days, 180 days, 365 days, custom time frame, etc.
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Hmm.... hmm.... hmm......... auto-correction.......... username changing.......................... fixed catalogue................................ wrong tracklists......................................................

WAS IT A LATE HOLIDAYS JOKE: "but let us know what else you'd like to see on there" ???
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I like that you've taken your seemingly superfluous new feature and given it legs to have a continued pull/interest. I actually like having a visual breakdown of my listening habits, so it's a thumbs up from me.

HOWEVER, I have to echo other users' comments about addressing the site's functionality and core features that are still missing after almost 2 years since the beta of the new site was first given to subscribers to try out (nearly 18 months since it was publicly rolled out).

I know there is a social aspect to Last FM through forums, shouts, and the oft lamented BCC code for profile personalisation, but surely the core thing about Last FM that sets it apart - it's raison d'être, if you will - is the listening habits/scrobbling/statistics?

As such, can you PLEASE prioritise the completion of things like:
  • your new and improved music catalogue (6 months and counting since it was rolled out)
  • fixing the garbage track names (Spotify being the main culprit)
  • meSsEd UP TrAcK naMEs ThaT LoOK liKe ThiS
  • return the ability to remove "unknown date" scrobbles
  • power actions like 'remove artist/track/album' rather than having to remove every individual scrobble
...etc, etc, etc...

These things, I would have assumed, should have been the priority from the off.
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Exactly!
I asked about a few features up many many many many times...power actions like...and garbage...and.... passed more then 1 year was first. and what?! nothing. but - sprint 200. funny things waiting for u! fackthemall....
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Pretty nice feature. But why Last.year doesn't include full 12 months? I believe year starts on January 1st and ends on December 31rd. At least in Europe and America.
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its developed zimbabwean devs. dont suprised... 11 month, yep.  
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This is nice and all, but it really is remarkable how the Last.fm Staff continue to ignore the basics month after month, after month...
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Sadness. 2 months for an almost empty update with no bugs corrected (and unanswered posts in the catalogue-thread too), stats that we *already* had showed in a more confusing way, and tips for new users... I'm wondering WHY should there be new users?
The only good news is that the website still wasn't terminated.
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There is a serious hole in your argument.

1. The top releases from last year averaged over 200,000 listeners.
2. I joined the website in August 2016 and subscribed almost immediately.
3. Last.week includes a feature that appeared on the old playground that I used to enjoy: a tag tube of listening trends.
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Looking at the Last.week I was surprised: it shows the correct title and cover for the week's top album by various artists. In weekly charts there is still a mess. So, if it is possible to fix VA issue, why it isn't done yet?
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Which is why I'm having the albums displayed as 'lists' instead. V/A hasn't entirely been fixed and it's disgusting.
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One unintended consequence of the weekly chart is that it reveals how few people use this site anymore. Two nights of listening, 9 hours in all, was enough to land me in the top-100 listeners that week. I use the site about 10% as often as I did before the big redesign, and yet I am among the top 100 users? In the old days, I wouldn't have cracked the top 1000.
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The Scrobble leaderboard on the Last.week page ranks you against users you're currently following. It's not a global leaderboard!
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We are waiting for Last.FM team to fix V.A. page for almost 16 MONTHS. I'm still not able to scrobble my V.A. albums. No matter I have them properly tagged I still get zero activities for them. Especially for the 80's compilation (I.e. Dier hit Gigaten- The very best off the 80's.) By the way, are they planning to do something with this?



From 30 000 to 107 000 scrobbles for band MEGADETH in less than 6 hours, are you kidding me?

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Punch me and call me stupid ajax if this is NOT cheating. How is possible to reach 1.5 million scrobbles for one artist in less than a year? Is that user sleeps, brush his or her teeth, go to work, go to school?
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[EDIT]: https://goo.gl/IRcH8F <---- Sure, pigs can fly and talk and pink elephants exists. Who is he kidding? "We are not cheaters, we use many programs to scrobble here." Yeah, right, and Donald Trump is my grandpa and Barak Obama is my Godfather. Tell that to your momma Megacheater_6666.
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We use many programs to scrobble here

That doesn't even make sense - do they also have many heads to simultaneously listen to different music? These kinds of accounts should get automatically deleted and the user's associated email address blocked.
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These kinds of accounts should get automatically deleted and the user's associated email address blocked.

I'm probably missing something, but what's the problem if someone wants to make their charts look a certain way by scrobbling more tracks than they actually listen to instead of having their charts reflect their actual listening? I personally couldn't care less if someone wants to have 3 computers running 24/7 scrobbling music.

And people calling it "cheating" - how is it cheating? What are they winning and how is scrobbling music a competition?

Edit: I feel like I should add that I've been on Last.fm for 11 years and I don't fabricate my own charts, I just don't care if others do.
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No, I was just genuinely curious as to what the issue was (I started the message with "I'm probably missing something" because of this), and your comment has cleared some of it up so thank you for this. There was no judgment on my part towards anyone annoyed by these profiles.

Admittedly the profile mentioned earlier is very much an obvious example of fake scrobbles, but all in all I'm not sure if this is such a common phenomenon that something needed to be done about it? I mean, these updates are so few and far between that if they start working on shutting these profiles down then I'm afraid we will never get any of the old features back.
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Patrick

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These kinds of accounts should get automatically deleted and the user's associated email address blocked.
I'm for on what Elliot Robinson said, these accounts deserve to be terminated and their Email accounts blacklisted.

That doesn't even make sense - do they also have many heads to simultaneously listen to different music? 

Nobody is going to believe them. Nobody is going to believe them. Placing totally 22.762 tracks or 948 hours in one day is a utopia. Even if you have 10.000 profiles, with two devices connected to your main profile, again, it is impossible to come up with 400.000 hits in 72 hours. What would my friend, who's nearly 2.4 million views, said the only solution is to use a script that will help you to reach 400.000 hits in 72 hours. The second solution doesn't exist.

That's cheating, you could use a ton of programs on your computer, but you're never going to catch up to 400.000 hits in 72 hours.
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Patrick

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These kinds of accounts should get automatically deleted and the user's associated email address blocked.
I'm for on what Elliot Robinson said, these accounts deserve to be terminated and their Email accounts blacklisted.

That doesn't even make sense - do they also have many heads to simultaneously listen to different music? 

Nobody is going to believe them. Nobody is going to believe them. Placing totally 22.762 tracks or 948 hours in one day is a utopia. Even if you have 10.000 profiles, with two devices connected to your main profile, again, it is impossible to come up with 400.000 hits in 72 hours. What would my friend, who's nearly 2.4 million views, said the only solution is to use a script that will help you to reach 400.000 hits in 72 hours. The second solution doesn't exist.

That's cheating, you could use a ton of programs on your computer, but you're never going to catch up to 400.000 hits in 72 hours.
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@wiraccc

what's the problem if someone wants to make their charts look a certain way by scrobbling more tracks than they actually listen to instead of having their charts reflect their actual listening?
The problem is it completely flies in the face of the purpose and ethos of this site and means their profile is meaningless garbage in addition to it messing up the accuracy of stats across the site. Last FM is meant to be a record of your listening habits as well as potentially help you find new (related) music - spamming huge numbers of fake scrobbles doesn't help with either feature.
And people calling it "cheating" - how is it cheating? What are they winning and how is scrobbling music a competition?
These people/cheaters are the ones looking at it like a competition - to have the most listens for certain artists, to have an insanely high and clearly bogus scrobble count. Either they're doing it for some perceived status symbol (top listener, etc) or they're doing it to be a nuissance (messing up the site stats' accuracy) - I can't see how else these profiles are to be viewed...
I feel like I should add that I've been on Last.fm for 11 years and I don't fabricate my own charts, I just don't care if others do.
That's great to hear and it's fine that you don't care but some of us do and it is an issue that should be addressed at some point. I'm certainly not saying it's a top priority (shout out to all the basic missing functionality and enduring bugs!) but it's something that ought to be looked at by the staff as it's undermining the site's purpose.

I do feel like a basic scrobble cap could easily(?) be implemented to stop these kinds of users going forward - a simple but effective strategy, even if they don't want to faff about retrospectively deleting/banning users.

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