Website update - 7th October

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Hello you,

Here's what we released today:

Features
  • Ability to browse up to 250 similar artists
  • Wiki editing is back
    Create and edit artist, track, album and tag wiki. View wiki history and revert changes.
  • View shout history
Bugfixes
  • Fix festival subpage redirects
  • Show error message when user hits too many failed log in attempts
  • Link to library from tasteometer
Apologies for the event stuff that I mentioned last time not making this release. It's not quite ready yet. Event history is coming soon (for the record, I've been to 3 gigs in the last two weeks) and event creation/editing not far behind.

We also released some API fixes recently. There's a changelog on a separate announcement.

Cheers,
Team Last.fm
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Any word on when the time settings are gonna be fixed?  The times on my scrobbles are all off by 6 hours.  There used to be a setting to change it depending on the time zone you live in.  Was told a month ago this was being worked on.  It can't be that hard.
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James Scott, Web dev lead

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Eeep! Looks like a broken translation. I'll get this fixed today. Thanks for flagging it.
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James Scott, Web dev lead

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Should be fixed in Russian now.
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I just noticed a subtle change in your latest groundbreaking release and to be honest I find it a little confusing. Not that I don't like it (it perfectly fits the messy and useless new site) but could you please elaborate on the logic behind the placement of the various date filtering options in the "library"? I tried to use my math skills but it still beats me.
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Strangely, I like it. I actually find it faster in use. Less mouse movement haha :)

But it would make more sense if there was a six months button.
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Alin

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Indeed, the placement of these items is weird:
1st column - Last 90 days / 365 days / 30 days
2nd column - Last 7 days / all time

What's the logic behind this order? Why not order them from small to big?
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To piss us off.
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You're right, they should be ordered 7, 30, 90, 365, All time. Thanks for letting us know!

This happened while we were working on some changes to date filtering, which should be ready in the near future.
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and don't forget the 6 months or 180...
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garynotrashcoug

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+1 for 6 month date range.
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^We haven't. It's being worked on.
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I do not know who is responsible for usability.... But this man should be fired!!!!!
Sometimes, listening to the radio, gaining a lot of jingles listened. Often up to 70-80 per day. Sometimes, I want to delete the song listened to over and over again. Are you crazy ?! I need 70 times press the cross that would completely remove a song ?! Burn in hell with such usability!
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Now can we have some of the social aspect back? Get rid of followers, bring back friends and show me what they're upto? Like the old dashboard...
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A "friends listening now" that's actually accurate would be wonderful. The old page would show a random subset of friends, and on refreshes would show some current or > 1 hr listeners. 

I would see something I was interested in on friends listening now from my homepage (I have many lastfm friends), but would click on the dashboard page on accident, then that user and their song would vanish. This was like half the time I'd use the page.

I'd love to see interactive clusters of friends listening now based on tags. I have friends in several different genres and it'd be nice to summarize their recent scrobbles this way.
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I miss my groups.
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Mathieu Le Breton

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And what about Various artist?
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I wonder how much the ratings on last.fm have dropped since august. My guess is a lot. a whoooooole lot.
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I was actually talking about this with someone on here the other day. Interestingly, they've actually gone up a lot since launch: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/last.fm

One theory was the new mobile layout could be encouraging more mobile use

Another theory is Alexa rankings are a bit ropey, and should generally be taken with a pinch of salt. :-)
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well i keep pressing refresh in the hope it will all go away
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well another theory for the alexa rating that i also read here is that people come back in horror, just to see how bad the new website is and to consider if they can still use it
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I figured it was the web articles and people talking about it on other social platforms which drew people who don't normally use the site to have a look.
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Whispered X (Spineshank155)

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The ratings are not as good as earlier in the year. A better question is how many users/scrobbling was lost due to the site change.
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Hey, what  about - About me (pic below)?! Add inform widgets? Pic? 
When you back all previous  functionality ?!

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Let us know when biography editing is "really" available to edit. Even our "own" artists biographies can't be edited at the moment, when you bizarrely suggest they can!  
So the new Last.FM is not allowing artists or labels to edit their own artists biographies.  Has north Korea bought Last.FM from CBS now?

Explanation please!
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They dont have QA...thats why)
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Dennis Alexis Hellström

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Well, I have to say I'm quite disappointed in the slow progress. They should never had launched the new site before all the important features were ready. This is becoming a huge embarrassment.
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Yes, may be come back in a year. See what they have done here))
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Semjon Pripetško

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So how exactly do I "Create and edit artist". There is this amazing group called Huntington, that is scrobbled as Eddy Huntington. When I search for Huntington, it doesn't exist. How do I sort it? Its annoying.
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Contact the band on Facebook and ask them to change their name to "Eddy Huntington". I think there is considerably more chance for that to happen than Last.fm fixing this anytime soon.
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personal autocorrect rules. This should have been in lastfm in 2006. 
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Houndworld

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That would be nice. Is it likely? Hmm.. My current concern is that uncorrectable autocorrect is the new normal.
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@Ivan - that would be a brilliant thing, but then you'd still have the "Get Your Damn Tags Right" zealots bullying you in your shoutbox, butchering the artist bio and changing the top pic to that ugly red image. Still, it may be a step in the right direction.
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@gary sure, but the bigger problem is that users don't have control over individual corrections. Why do I have to 'vote' for a correction? It should be applied to my scrobbles immediately if I'm proposing it. This feature was always nonsense to me. 

For non-english groups like kpop there are user preferences for either english or korean script and everyone wants votes for the redirect, but really it's personal preference for the same artist which should be merged but not forced into one script or another. there are many other cases, where the correction obliterates a real artist (as above) etc.

Also now there aren't artist/album track thumbnails so those ugly red boxes won't be seen by most people. It's a feature not a bug. 
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Maybe you have to vote because they pull a lot of the initial metadata from Musicbrainz, where you also have to vote changes up/down (though IIRC they go through after awhile if no one contests them).

I don't know, but I do like the idea of personal auto-correct rules.
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Personal autocorrect rules - as a user, that sounds brilliant. As a developer, it sounds like a logistical nightmare.

Still, that's no reason not to consider it. The only problem is weighing up which version to serve up to the public. Voting gives last.fm a "majority wins" way of deciding which version of a name is correct and that's the version you see when you come in from Google.

Unless I've completely misunderstood the suggestion! Quite possible, I haven't had a coffee yet this morning.
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The problem has always been, I suspect, a badly designed database schema. Not that I can see this directly, but it looks like the primary key is the artist name, which means that each misspelling or variant is a different record, and that entities with the same name are merged into one. I've no doubt this has been a tricky issue for the developers right from the start, "auto-correct" just being a hack upon a hack.

They did state some time ago that they would never allow users to correct their own scrobbles, at which point I resigned myself to having some slightly messy data from historical scrobbles, which was ok, provided I didn't have to have my correct tags auto-impaired! My frustration currently is that I no longer even have that option.
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@Chris - you raise a good point. I hadn't though of it that way.
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I love it. 

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Artur Ost

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It's really great! Looks so lovely!
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Chris

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Maybe they're just going for consistency? :-P
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Looks good except for that Visionist album. 
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look nice!
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these are the *LAST 5 existent events* in my zone.
time for a new release WITH the Events Comeback? or you just wait until you have completely canceled live music from Last.Fm?









 
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I really hope we're getting our profile charts back tomorrow. It's so easy to implement too. D:
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I hate the "war among poor ones", everyone has his reason in complaining for the missing features. but talking about priorities, what do you mean by "get the profile charts back"? the users' scrobbles with different times ARE already in the profiles, though it's surely all to improve... (everything is still to improve)

...but since two months ago ALL the events are *completely missing*. I would be very angry if the next annoucement will be "ok guys, sorry for another delay in taking back your past and future events but hey, we've added the fu**ing 6 months chart!"
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Would have made more sense if they didn't roll this out. They saw that Last.fm was declining and by the looks of it it's worse since the change. Really they just need to bring back the old last.fm so people can stop complaining and users who have left the site already might come back. But it might already be too late. Last.fm is pretty much gone now. Shame considering i spent a good chunk of my time looking up new bands, supporting them.
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By profile charts I mean the ones that were always below our 2x4 grid of artists. http://imgur.com/SrLOpFv

Personally, I couldn't care less about events. This site was always about statistics and recommendations, imho. That's how it was always advertised and fixing that should be their number one priority. Honestly though, they should not be taking so long to fix easily fixable problems like charts.
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Fairly sure in this thread alone I've seen people kick off about the fact this release didn't have image uploads, image voting, events, charts and friends (instead of followers), foreign wiki editing and the order of the date choices in their library. I bet every one of those is someone's favourite feature, so how do they choose what to do first without pissing off at least half of those people in the process?
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no, only next year (ahahahaha)
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angriestchair, ok but those charts ARE now in the profiles, they're just removed by the profile-home page and you have to click. I preferred the old look too with those charts on the homepage, but they're not missing at all.
I would be ok if LastFm decided to remove the events from the profile's homepage, I just want a sub-page where I can find them...
and no, no matter if you don't care less, this site STARTS from the single users' stats (so the users' libraries and scrobblings are the "core" of everything, recommendations, the social part etc) but it has always been multiple uses: simple collection of stats and individual archive, research as music database, recommendations to discover / tools for promotion of new music, events, social networking, etc. - there are many people who are (were) daily users just for some of these different aspects, and many who were LastFm users for multiple aspects...
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Alright, this makes sense in my head but I'm sorry if it doesn't to others.

Some of the stuff they've been fixing seems like minor stuff that many websites can do. I think the focus should be on the stuff that's actually unique (well, used to be) to last.fm

Personally I see profile charts as most important because no other place has them. If there was (I've joined a couple that seem like personal statistics are what they're going for but they are still in the beginning stages) I'd switch over immediately.

Fixing the api should be a top priority too. Then at least people could kind of make the stuff they're missing most.
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@dis0rder Could you screenshot what you mean by them 'not missing' or just link it or something?

That's the same thing I want for recommendations. They're so useless right now.

Yeah I guess I didn't really think about it that way, my apologies. I really wish they would just fix the damn api so people could make stuff again instead of waiting for them to. I've never used it but it could be fun.
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@dis0rder Could you screenshot what you mean by them 'not missing' or just link it or something?

That's the same thing I want for recommendations. They're so useless right now.

Yeah I guess I didn't really think about it that way, my apologies. I really wish they would just fix the damn api so people could make stuff again instead of waiting for them to. I've never used it but it could be fun.
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+1 on the api. I've got 2 apps I've taken offline because they killed all the event data on the api. Bit gutted about that.
Holding onto the hope that they said it was "coming back" though some indication of how long it'll be would be cool
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ok @angriestchair, this is an example of what I was talking about.
e.g. I set "last 30 days", the new homepage (first screenshot) show ONLY 5 artists, I have to click to "more artists", then (second screenshot) LastFm gives me the overall chart by default (why? another bug...), so I have to spend two other clicks and select "last 30 days" on top/right. finally, I'll find (third screenshot) my last 30 days charts with up-to-50 positions per page...
not nice, highly improvable, but still you can at least trace your charts. 


 
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Yeah that's what I figured you meant. I just can't look at it this way. The bars are too spaced out and it just belongs directly on profiles. The library was better as a thumbnail library too. I find it difficult to actually compare them like this and haven't looked at them much because they're just so useless right now.

I didn't realize they actually completely fucked the events though. I thought they were just wonky/half-working like so much on here. Basic functionality should come back for everything but I still think charts should be pretty high up there in priority. Like I said, this is mostly because there is literally nowhere else that has the functionality and that's why I think it's most important.
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Could we get a fix for the fact that cached tracks will only submit 10 at a time?
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Chris

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I'm not seeing this issue at all - how do you recreate it?
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I am using the latest version of the scrobbler tool for Winamp. I have used this for 3+ years without issue, and it only started occurring with the new site.

1) Turn off the scrobbler tool.
2) Play at least 11 tracks. You can play this album as an example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_City_by_the_Light_Divided
3) Turn on the scrobbler tool, which will begin the process of submitting the cache.
4) Go to your last.fm page and notice that track 1 (in the example case above, "For the Workforce Drowning") is NOT scrobbled. Only tracks 2-11 are scrobbled, ie, the last ten tracks.

Here is a log I saved from September, but this is still happening as of this morning.

68934.032	09/23/2015 13:26:35	CScrobbler::OnTrackPlay		New song detected - Crucial Dudes - I'm Not Wearing Hockey Pants, Bro (Crucial E.P.)
69461.375	09/23/2015 13:35:22	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Cannot send - Force Cache Enabled
70440.079	09/23/2015 13:51:41	CScrobbler::OnTrackPlay		New song detected - Crucial Dudes - Through Being Crucial (61 Penn)
70495.454	09/23/2015 13:52:36	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Submitting 'Crucial Dudes - Through Being Crucial (61 Penn)'
70495.594	09/23/2015 13:52:36	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Cannot send - Force Cache Enabled
70566.016	09/23/2015 13:53:47	CScrobbler::OnTrackPlay		New song detected - Crucial Dudes - Mad Nice (61 Penn)
70586.188	09/23/2015 13:54:07	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Submitting 'Crucial Dudes - Mad Nice (61 Penn)'
70586.266	09/23/2015 13:54:07	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Cannot send - Force Cache Enabled
70616.594	09/23/2015 13:54:37	CScrobbler::OnTrackPlay		New song detected - Crucial Dudes - 61 Penn (61 Penn)
70681.891	09/23/2015 13:55:43	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Submitting 'Crucial Dudes - 61 Penn (61 Penn)'
70681.969	09/23/2015 13:55:43	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Cannot send - Force Cache Enabled
70767.485	09/23/2015 13:57:08	CScrobbler::OnTrackPlay		New song detected - Crucial Dudes - Contour (61 Penn)
70827.829	09/23/2015 13:58:09	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Submitting 'Crucial Dudes - Contour (61 Penn)'
70827.907	09/23/2015 13:58:09	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Cannot send - Force Cache Enabled
70903.375	09/23/2015 13:59:24	CScrobbler::OnTrackPlay		New song detected - Crucial Dudes - Give 'Em the Howard (61 Penn)
70973.704	09/23/2015 14:00:35	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Submitting 'Crucial Dudes - Give 'Em the Howard (61 Penn)'
70973.782	09/23/2015 14:00:35	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Cannot send - Force Cache Enabled
71059.297	09/23/2015 14:02:00	CScrobbler::OnTrackPlay		New song detected - Crucial Dudes - On Leaving (61 Penn)
71149.657	09/23/2015 14:03:31	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Submitting 'Crucial Dudes - On Leaving (61 Penn)'
71149.735	09/23/2015 14:03:31	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Cannot send - Force Cache Enabled
71235.297	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Attempting to send cache file
71235.360	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - I'm Not Wearing Hockey Pants, Bro (Crucial E.P.)' @ 2015-09-23 17:35:22
71235.391	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Gentlemen, (2009 Crucial EP)' @ 2015-09-23 17:37:15
71235.422	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Fast Song (2009 Crucial EP)' @ 2015-09-23 17:39:55
71235.454	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Yousa Bitch (2009 Crucial EP)' @ 2015-09-23 17:42:53
71235.500	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Mt. Chill, You're Climbin' (2011 61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 17:46:42
71235.532	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Doubt (2011 61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 17:47:35
71235.563	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Boom, Roasted (2011 61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 17:48:48
71235.594	09/23/2015 14:04:56	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Through Being Crucial (61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 17:52:36
71235.625	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Mad Nice (61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 17:54:07
71235.672	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - 61 Penn (61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 17:55:43
71235.704	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Contour (61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 17:58:09
71235.735	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - Give 'Em the Howard (61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 18:00:35
71235.766	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ClearCache		Sending Cache entry 'Crucial Dudes - On Leaving (61 Penn)' @ 2015-09-23 18:03:31
71236.344	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ThreadCallback		ReqID 63, Submission is '', Response is OK
INTERVAL 1
, Status Code 200
71236.391	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ThreadCallback		ReqID 63, Submission of cache file accepted OK
71236.422	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ThreadCallback		Last song submitted was played at 2015-09-23 18:03:31 GMT
71236.469	09/23/2015 14:04:57	CScrobbler::ThreadCallback		ReqID 63, New Interval is 1
69461.297	09/23/2015 13:35:22	CScrobbler::SubmitSong		Submitting 'Crucial Dudes - I'm Not Wearing Hockey Pants, Bro (Crucial E.P.)'
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Is that the official Last.fm app winamp plugin?  On Windows?
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I'm just hoping that the site syncs with MusicBrainz soon. Hundreds of albums on Last.FM are missing track listings.
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new "update" today? maybe this time they do something relevant...
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Merowinger

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I hope so.
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LogainTB

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Proper charts on your profile and a useful library comes directly to mind. I'm not that hopeful though since James Scott's answer was pretty vague.
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Merowinger

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They should enable picture uploading.
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LogainTB

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Yeah, they should do a lot of things...
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Thanks for your feedback, I'm closing this thread as we have a new site update, details of which can be found here: https://getsatisfaction.com/lastfm/topics/website-and-api-update-22nd-october

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