Website update - 8th December (Last.year)

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Hey all,

Today we released Sprint 197 and Sprint 198. This includes one big thing, your Last.year listening report.

The report features a whole bunch of stats around your listening habits, and other Last.fm activity, from 2016. We're really excited about this feature and hope you like it.

You can see your report here: http://www.last.fm/user/_/listening-report/year

Cheers,
Team Last.fm
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r345

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LOVE IT. We need even more pie charts, more graphs, more numbers, more stats! <3
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Dan Conway

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This is fantastic for stats nerds like me.

I do have to agree though, there is still a lot of work to be done but I am loving the direction this website is going in and very grateful to all of the staff who works so hard to get this right for us.

Happy 2017!!
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krisAxe

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Yeah! Continuing in this direction, we might have a fully functional website by 2025! Thank you guuuuys *pop champagne bottle*
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Elliot Robinson

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2025? I like your optimism, Kris.
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ZuClann .

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my bit 2032! 
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neo

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And lastfm staff drops the ball again. The potential and possibilities wasted another month.
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Jardel Alves

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GREAT! nOw I wOULd liKe A CHrisTMAS gift: FIX tAgS!
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Patrick

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This is why I'm sticking with Ghostery and ABP extensions.
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neo

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What's the next update about? album of the year for 2016?
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garynotrashcoug

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Stats! Nice, this is very interesting. Will it be updated at the end of the year to include all of December?
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Sharon K

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Love the 'Last year listening Report'  some interesting stats. Great way to sum up the year.  Thanks LFM.
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It will be cool to add more unique  analytics chart: for ex - artist by country or the same, but most popular album by year  (1975 - 9%, 1991 - 18%, 2010 - 35%,)
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phoenixbloom

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Nice idea, yep new specific stats can be added for sure.
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Houndworld

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Very pretty.

For the next sprint, please could you fix the autocorrect checkbox so that I can switch it OFF. Call me fussy, but too many 'corrections' are simply wrong, and I don't like it.
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When will I be able to see all artists I tagged under specific tag ?!
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Andreas_Wotte

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Nice to see, that you also like this useful tool "personal tags". I'm missing it the most. Luckily we were already informed, that "tags will come back". We also been teached, that to ask for a date of release only "will make the wait feel longer". In between enjoy the new "last.year". It's not the tool you need, but the tool is neat. ;-)
I'm confident, until the return of the personal tags you can enjoy some more new neat features like this, so don't worry, be happy.
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Looks like I have to learn more english for writing more clear sarcasm comments like above.
But sadly you're right Imajica. Every month of waiting for things like this is like a slap in the face for me. Especially when every other thing will be updated than the features we request. That's the way I currently feel when I think about the tags. And that's what the last comment should say. Currently I'm frustrated, when I think about, what will come at next. I'm sure you share my opinion.
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Very cool new feature guys. Hopefully December 2016 stats will show up too on New Year's eve.
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phoenixbloom

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This is very nice, thank you guys! :)

It can be improved and expanded even more as time goes on and it would be nice to see such stats whenever we wish throughout the year and obviously this must include the December plays too.
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Nice feature I like it. Thankyou !!  Would it be too much to ask for this info all year round in a stats page ? This for me would soften the blow of losing the "About Me" section which had stats just like this in !
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I like the Last.year overview / listening report, and I like my states in there too :)

I also notice that some bug(s) either have disappeared or at least do not happen as often.

one squased bug: the upload of images, the final step did not work until a page-refresh was done, an image was (re-)selected and than uploaded.

another squased bug: the finalizing an event entry, here also a page-refresh was needed before entering data in the comment-fields and than hit the create button. Not sure if that one has been squased or is just less frequent.

One bug is still there on events: unable to remove and act that has been added, even unable to remove an act that has been mearly looked up. 
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the dude

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I enjoyed this update about 1.5 minutes
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Let's be honest here, this is a nice little feature that no one really asked for (at this moment). We're still missing most of the basic features! This is just steering away from the real problems and is meant to create this illusion between users that Last.fm is actually getting back on its feet... which I doubt is true. I've been an active scrobbler since 2006 but each day I see less and less point in scrobbling 
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yep! exactly.
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Patrick

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The yearly report looks delicate; I cannot deny that, on the other hand, your skills of scorning our demands and delivering us cute essence that nobody has requested are despicable! As twinkies said: This is simply a dog bone to stop the barking. Phenomenal job Last.FM as always.
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Is there a way to regenerate them? Due too a scrobbler bug I scrobbled the same track 1400 times in a day and just had to clean that up (Shoutout to: https://www.npmjs.com/package/lastfm-unscrobbler) but now my yearly charts are still inaccurate with one artist being all over the place. Any way to regenerate them, how long are they cached?

My username: http://www.last.fm/user/apfeltalkdewey/listening-report/year
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neo

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I think lastfm just gave stalkers another tool to really stalk me on my profile. LOL.
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I dig this year in review, especially the "On Repeat" part. That def should be it's own feature cause sometimes I want to revisit songs I used to be hooked on.
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He's dead, Jim!

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Cool tool and I guess a lot of the code can be reused for a lot of statistics.
Perhaps not an impressive, major update, but I guess it only took one front-end developer to make it and the work on the rest of the site still continues.
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Frankenrin

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What makes you think they have more than one part-time intern dev?
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Elliot Robinson

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I guess it only took one front-end developer to make it and the work on the rest of the site still continues.
So, even by your logic, Jim, the rest of the staff should have been working on something else this past month, and yet they have nothing to show for it - not even minor bug fixes.

This update is even more underwhleming when you consider the fact that, thanks to the Christmas break, it'll probably be at least a month before we get another update. The next sprint really needs to have some decent bug fixes and/or the return of repeatedly requested features that the old site used to have.
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WTF!!! Why does not update a library ?! does not update the number of total tracks listened by each artist
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hey, when you add basic functionality - to delete all (not one by one (large lists) ?! 

people asked about it more than 1 year.
or zimbabwean devs it does not disturb?
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I Like it a lot!!! Thank you last.fm!! Last.fm is about statistics after all, so people shouldn't complain this much..
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Elliot Robinson

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True. However, it's also about having a fully functional website that's free of bugs which can display pretty stats like this.
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Actually the reactions outside of this forum have been much more positive, e.g. on Reddit or Twitter where people are still tweeting their stats.
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I know we're on the internet and this is the place where nuance goes to die, but let me repeat for the umpteenth time - I like these charts. I love charts. I love stats - that's why I'm a big fan of Last FM.

HOWEVER...

I can be positive about this feature whilst ALSO being critical about its timing and prioritorising over basic functionality that this place is still missing 15/16 months after it was pushed out as a public beta.

I like to think I keep my criticism of a constructive nature - I'm genuinely trying to give the team useful feedback. There are at least a couple dozen of us regular forum users here trying to help steer the Last FM ship on course, highlighting problems and oversights. Often it feels like we're screaming into the void, but hopefully our recommendations and reminders about features and bugs will be noticed by someone on the team, even if not directly acknowledged by a reply.

Painting passionate users trying to help improve the site as complainers is unhelpful and also inaccurate, in my opinion. Sometimes our frustration over a lack of communication and significant progress leads us to be sarcastic, but I feel that's understandable when you consider the sporadic responses from the team and the time frame we're talking about.
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@Hans
Actually most people stopped using Last.fm
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Every other tweet is something like "I just deleted my 10 year old Last.fm profile" or "wtf happened to Last.fm, who ruined it". The most recent Reddit posts for Last.fm are users reporting bugs and things that aren't working for them on the site. Sure, positive reactions.
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sakigaby

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Hans, please... People might be utilizing the sharing stats feature but that does not necessary mean people are completely satisfied with the way last.fm is right now. Try again.
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Aye, but you can't release an end of year mid way through the next year.  Likewise, you can hardly expect a business to put their Christmas decorations up in March because they had other stuff to sort out before then.

So the choice was do it now or don't do it at all, and personally I'm glad they did.
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Aye, but you can't release an end of year mid way through the next year.  Likewise, you can hardly expect a business to put their Christmas decorations up in March because they had other stuff to sort out before then.

So the choice was do it now or don't do it at all, and personally I'm glad they did.
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Was that a reply to me? I'm talking about an end of year report being launched at the end of the year.  Would be a bit weird launching your end of year stats in, say, March, no?

A car without an engine. lol. Not sure what car showrooms you're visiting ;-)
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The Last.year page is like an apple. It looks nice, and eating it was enjoyable. But like eating an apple, the experience was only temporary. And a whole month is a long time to wait for an apple.

The simple graphics were nice to look at and I enjoyed viewing my stats for this year. But now that I've seen them, they serve no further purpose. I don't need to see them again. 

I would have preferred to see progress made towards important features that we use on a daily basis, such as:

  • Improvements to the catalogue and auto-correction system
  • The ability to edit our Scrobbles and manually fix tags ourselves
  • BBCode for shouts and messages
  • Remove artists and delete Scrobbles in bulk
  • View artists with 0 Scrobbles in our libraries
  • Separate pages for artists that share the same name
  • More characters in our "About Me" section
  • Being able to search my library by tags, or view more than 50 results per page
  • An overhauled search function
The list goes on (and on). These features, while not as pretty or exciting, would improve the user experience for everyone on a daily basis. They are not temporary. 

It seems clear that Last.fm are trying to bring in new users with small updates that lack little overall value. Perhaps if they had focused on the core features to begin with instead of spending development time building a fancy dashboard page or other empty "filler" features (Listening Trends, People Listening Now) they wouldn't have lost so many users in the first place...
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I'm confused. So I have to read all 3 pages of comments on this post, before I can reply to someone on a single thread?  lol.  That's not how forums work.

Anyway, I was replying to Elliot. I don't think I need to clarify, but for the sake of it, here we go. He said:

"positive about this feature whilst ALSO being critical about its timing and prioritorising over basic functionality"

And thus, my response:

"you can't release an end of year mid way through the next year. [...] So the choice was do it now or don't do it at all"

Hopefully that's a bit clearer. Though I suspect Elliot - the intended recipient - would have got it anyway.
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I should point out that many websites, newspapers , magazines and general media release their end of year reports about the same time. I've just had my Spotify end of year report( nowhere near as interesting as LFM's one) And have read musical end of year reports from the likes of PItchfork and Q magazine. In fact, I cannot think of a single music website or magazine that does not do the same. I wonder then how many people make the same complaints on these media outlets as people like yourself have done on here. I suspect not many.

I'm sure you are also aware that certain journalists and website developers have families and friends who they like to spend the festive season with. December is the month of the year when workers of all stripes tend to or wish to wind down a bit. That partly explains why these end of year reports are submitted early.

As I see it, LFM works pretty well. A few blips but none that I have found intolerable. The basic functionality that some posters refer to is surely scrobbling. Since the big change last August, I haven't lost a single stat, something that I can't say was true before then. The basic functionality works very very well. So I'm happy and don't begrudge LFM web developers their festive breaks. Merry Xmas to them and to you.
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I'm confused. So I have to read all 3 pages of comments on this post, before I can reply to someone on a single thread?  lol.  That's not how forums work.
To be honest, Chris - and not just to be contrary - I personally do usually read all the comments before saying anything... but maybe I'm just weird like that ;-)

As for your reply to me, I meant timing in a general, priorities sense, not the fact they've released a chart summarising our year's listening habits at the end of the year - clearly that's a logical release date for such a feature. Having said that, they could have easily rolled this out as the first sprint of 2017 - which is hardly equivalent to your Christmas decorations in March analogy.

Regardless, I feel like you're slightly missing the point (as is George336, for that matter); those of us that are being critical of this update are not being critical of the update for what it is. From what I can see, mostly everyone agrees this is a nice little set of charts for people to look at, but as James mentions above (and others have pointed out, too), the use of such an update is a fleeting few minutes of interest and then it's kind of just there and with no ongoing use. This superficial update has been the singular result or at least two sprint's worth of time - have they not achieved anything else of note in that time? If not, this strikes me as terrible project management - especially when you factor in the 16+ months we're currently at.

We are all merely trying to move the spotlight away from these shiny, colourful new graphs and back on to the more important issues, such as the return of core functionality and bug fixes, some of which James helpfully listed above.
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Aye, I see your point about the bigger picture. This is nothing more than a few pretty charts, and you guys have some beef about missing features. But my point here is that the charts are time critical - theres a small window of time they can be released before losing relevancy, and if you look back at earliest comments, it's clear people are using this as a stick to bash last FM with. Any post that uses the word "priorities" misses the point that, if you *do* like the charts, they *had* to be released now or not at all. That's the true definition of prioritizing, regardless of how your feel about any previous releases (or lack of).

Anyways, I don't disagree with the bulk of what you say, so keep fighting the good fight.

And incidentally, I had read all the comments up to that point. I just chose to respond to you because it was the most likely to provoke a sensible discussion. And even then I still got the "friendly fire" and "baloney" comments. As is customary ;-)
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I'm aware of what friendly fire (attacking people on your own side) and baloney (rubbish) means, thanks. I've been here since the redesign, so having been on your receiving end of abuse a few times im not sure how else to take comments like that from you guys other than a personal attack. You clearly don't like my opinions, which is fine. No need to patronise me though.

With regards to your point about annual reports, I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's the same thing. As laughable as it is given the current situation, last FM still considers itself social and these reports are for personal enjoyment, not official end of year reporting. The truth here is that the vast majority of people won't care about these pages in 3 weeks, let alone 3 months. Which admittedly enforces James' point about what their long term purpose is. But I'd argue there *is* no long term purpose. It's a bit of fun. Something you can read, share and forget. Personally, as a maths geek who uses last FM predominantly for the stats, I'm OK with that.

Plus, you have to ask yourself - what other features would they have released instead this month? An extra 3 pixels of padding on the header? New colours on the notifications? A slightly bigger logo? ;-)
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 But I'd argue there *is* no long term purpose. It's a bit of fun. Something you can read, share and forget. Personally, as a maths geek who uses last FM predominantly for the stats, I'm OK with that.
I'm sure most people are OK with that. I think the problem is that it took one month of development time to create. Time that could be managed better. The Last.year page is very basic, and it uses data that already exists. There are student programmers that create similar stats tools in their spare time faster than the Last.fm team. If this had taken a few days and the update was accompanied with important bug fixes and more progress on existing or anticipated features the response would be different. 

I like to think that there's a reason for such little progress and I imagine there's a lot of behind-the-scenes work going on as well. Maybe a significant portion of development time this week was spent troubleshooting and fixing a bug somewhere in the system but wasn't interesting or important enough to feature in the update. This circles back to the limited communication. I'd like to know these things, because without that information it looks like the staff are doing nothing over there and then we can only speculate on why this is all they have after a month of work.
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Yeah, that's true. If I was their scrum master I probably wouldn't be too impressed with that taking up 2 sprints. Does make me wonder how many devs they have on this full time, and how many are working on long term/side projects
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If this had taken a few days and the update was accompanied with important bug fixes and more progress on existing or anticipated features the response would be different.
This. 100% this.

Last.year should have been a fun little extra included with a proper sprint.
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I should point out that many websites, newspapers , magazines and general media release their end of year reports about the same time. I've just had my Spotify end of year report( nowhere near as interesting as LFM's one).
@George336: Right, furthermore it is interesting that Spotify chose a different distribution method this year with emails than previously with a separate site with statistics, probably because they couldn't handle this for all of their users anymore. It takes a lot of time and resources processing the data to create these personalised yearly stats overviews, so sites offering them have to start early for being on time in December.

Spotify is even unable to resend these emails in case you weren't subscribed to notifications on Dec 2nd, so those users will not see their data at all except for a personal Top 100 Tracks playlist under Browse / Genres&Moods / Wrapped 2016.
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Yeah, I see more dead profiles and than active ones. Also, the fact that I keep hipster neighbours makes no sense to because I have nothing in common with people who listen to rap, pop, numetal, core bands or indie music.
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So lastfm is tricking us by taking over a month to do updates and calling it two sprints for one lousy update that I could have done without?

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