when the last fm come out of beta ?

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this year yet?
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Дмитрий Бесфамильный

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I think 2021 or 2041, maybe.
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I think someone laughing on top of a burning building is more apt an analogy than I'd be comfortable with, were I part of staff :D
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I expect we'll drop the 'beta' from the logo sometime later this year. More specifically, I've been told that we'll probably be removing the 'beta' when the development team moves from building core features / pages, to refining them. 

So for example, there's more work to be done with the search page (e.g. adding more results, better design), but for all intents and purposes that page exists and is functional, albeit bare-bones.  Whereas social features like neighbours don't currently exist at all on the new site, and that's something that needs to be brought back before we can remove 'beta'.  Likewise, the new catalogue hasn't been deployed to the new site yet, beyond the subscriber preview, and we also need to work on the sign-up flow and new user on-boarding, since that's non-existent at the moment.  The public API also needs a lot of love, and we'll be turning our attention to that later in the year, however I don't know if that will factor into decision to remove 'beta' from the logo.

So that's the distinction we're making (new pages / functionality vs refining existing), but ultimately, it's up to the senior management team to decide when the time is right.  They decided to keep the 'beta' mainly to acknowledge that the site was still under construction after launch, rather than what you might consider the true meaning of a software beta.  So they might bring it forward, since it's been about 10 months since the launch.  We'll see.
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So you'll expect most functionality to return later this year, awaiting refinement mostly? Is there something like a roadmap out of beta with dates for milestones like neighbours or the API?

I guess the question here is if the site will actually be ready to lose the beta moniker by the end of the year or if you'll just drop it regardless.
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yes , that's what I'm saying , I know that the site has several functions will return as old , but I want to know when ? you guys just say what we already know
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I totally agree on this point. I'm sorry if I repeat myself, but a basic public roadmap of the planned functionality would help a lot. There must be an internal roadmap, so what it the point of not telling us the next steps? 
In another thread, Jon mentioned what's currently being worked on:
  • Top priority seems to be the new catalogue, which is in beta for subscribers now. All questions related to the current progress and ETA have been 'overheard'.
  • Expanded shoutbox functionality should follow as well.
  • Neighbours!!!  But no further details and no ETA
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It's good to know what's happening, but we heard this for many features (most of them are missing since 10 months). Why is it that difficult to say when to expect what feature?
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Good point. But generally speaking, CBSI or just last.fm sits on a 'gold mine'... all of us provide a lot of data which can be used for further analysis - far beyond the stats last.fm provides us with. I think this is one of the real purposes of this project.
If this is true, then last.fm should take our comments even more serious, don't you think?
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http://the.echonest.com/ look through that the customers they serve, we are behind in data collection (years).

At one time you had both here and maybe we wondered too many directions.

I can't speak for twinks, but yes I think they should have taken our comments more serious years ago, this isn't new.

However, "should" never got anyone anywhere, it is past tense or an expectation. You get caught up in a crossfire of shoulds' Must never occurs.

Purpose? TBA Hey we are different, celebrate the common goal -- we want this to survive.
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...and no answer anymore, of course. Damn this is frustrating.
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>>> Is there something like a roadmap out of beta with dates for milestones like neighbours or the API?

I'm sorry, but I don't think Last.fm is going to communicate a public roadmap with specific features and dates / milestones. 

I can tell you that neighbours is currently in development, and work on the public API is lined up for later this year. 
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Shouting is currently disabled. Please check back later. It's been 3 hours when you wrote that, and I still see them locked. When do you have in plans to unlock them?
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I'm sorry, but I don't think Last.fm is going to communicate a public roadmap with specific features and dates / milestones. 
Yeah, I can understand that, although letting us in on the big picture would be necessary to gain back a bit of trust. I see that this is not in Last.fm's interest.
I can tell you that neighbours is currently in development, and work on the public API is lined up for later this year. 
This sounds more in line with the development pace we've seen so far, that's why I was wondering about your prediction of the "beta" being dropped later this year - meaning most features being implemented and just awaiting refinement which I really, honestly can't see happening at all. Unless the intent is now to not bring back a lot of missing features the old site had.
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