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Let minors be allowed to submit so we don't have to lie.

Why can't minors submit ideas? There are plenty of good ideas that us teens have that we are forced to lie about our age in order to follow through. I understand you can't pay us by law, but couldn't you pay us through our parents or something?
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    Yes, this has been very aggravating for me. There should be a way for you pay our parents so we can have our ideas known, too.
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    actually no, I strongly disagree. there were 2 very good reasons to set a limit at 18.

    1. under 18 it would be illegal to profit from your ideas as many countries have laws prohibiting it.

    2. to ensure a higher quality of designs really young children are not allowed to participate. I know some older teenagers can create some really professional designs, but generally speaking younger builders don't. This is a commercial venture at the end of the day and therefore the highest possible quality standards need to be applied to ensure this.

    That said I do feel that since the target audience for LEGO is children, that supporting a project should not be subject to the same rules as creating one. Why shouldn't younger LEGO fans add their voices to calls for products to be realised, eventually it will be they who buy those products.

    I'd support two types of Cuusoo accounts, followers and creators, creators build and can profit from their builds, and followers act as a focus group confirming whether the product truly would work in the actual toy market.
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    • This is an international venture, You have to set a precedent that can be applied in all regions where LEGO might be sold. That means accepting the international standard for what constitutes an adult.
    • Besides, on rereading the rules it appears the issue is about intellectual property rights NOT child labour laws.
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    Some of us aren't trying to make money off of this, we just want to get our ideas out there.
    Or just wait to pay us till we're 18.
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    • Look, that's the whole idea behind CUUSSOO: to create set ideas, and if they get supported and approved, they become sets, If younger builders cause you grief, then DONT SUPPORT THE MODEL! As for legality, this isn't child labor! Its making Lego sets! I'm 15 and I for sure won't produce stupid ideas for Lego sets. :D
    • yeah thats a good idea but if we were not legally allowed then we wont have a bank acc but if we are allowed legealy and then we can have a bank acc so why not just pay those who have a bank acc???? or u can just put the money away and occasionally tel us how much it is gathering then when we 18 pay us
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    There are many other sites where kids can show off their creations. Thats not what CUUSOO is for.
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    i was just reading and you get paid. But you are right I have a good idea and i can not show it. It can just be rewards not paid, getting rewards are legal.
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  • I believe you are allowed to use a parent's account to create projects. That way, if it reaches 10,000 supporters, LEGO can handle the payment with them.
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    Child labor laws is a pathetic reason for not letting them post suggestions. What about child actors?????????? Let minors post suggestions if we like them LEGO can sort out the details. Don't just shoot them down because you hate the concept that a kid might come up with the next great LEGO set. I have also noticed some of these self proclaimed quality police like GreenLead and his gang rarely ever support some great ideas like the winchester for instance. The way they treated David Hall and his clone set was an outrage and completely irresponsible behavior from so-called mature adults.
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    • A "legal" contract is one enforceable in a court of law. As I understand it, one signed by a minor would not be enforceable by a judge. Therefore "a contract is a contract" is to simplistic, there are different types of contract, and not all of them are legal.
    • Didn't you said something about a "countersign"?
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  • Have you ever wondered why those commercials say " Must be 18 or older to order"? Yeah, Same law applies here. Or similar law.
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  • You can not post your project into your account under your sole name because you are a minor, but your parents or legal guardians for the same matter can and should if that's what you want. Just talk to them and let them know your concerns. As grown ups they can open an account and post your creation. Just remember, it can't be just any grown up, it has to be your legal guardians, so no brother, sister, uncle or friend over 18 will cut it. Only your parents can sign up for you.
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  • I do think that minors on Lego Cuusoo should be able to add projects, or at least reduce the age to 16. In case if there's large numbers of poor projects from certain users (which wouldn't be from all young builders, but probably common), than they could set a limit to how many projects minors could submit. They could also set a limit for adults, but it would be higher. I think that it would be unwise to lie about your age, as you would get into legal trouble if your project succeeds, and the fact that they can't produce the set would disappoint supporters.
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  • I’m so happy!
    That's it!
    I've told about this in my own topic, however we're here in bigger amount :)
    https://getsatisfaction.com/lego_cuus...
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    There is an easy way to do it. Let minors post creations, but have the legal guardian sign the contract on their behalf. That's how it works with many other legal contracts such as child custody and other contracts like it. Anyone agree?
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    I agree. Let 13 year olds and older be able to upload creations, but the parents get the money. Its that simple! I mean, look at how much creations have actually been made into real lego sets: 3! So i dont think a 13 year old is gonna create the best set ever that will get over 10 000 supporters
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  • with regards to child actors. Their parents receive the payment not the child, very often it is held in trust till they are of a certain age, or is put aside towards payment of their tuition fees at university. It is NOT true that any western government allows children to "work" for a salary, and where exceptions exist (such as paper delivery, hospital visitors, etc) there is usually a stipulation on working hours and parental consent.

    the arguments that Lego should "turn a blind eye" to blatant fraud is naive at best and incredibly selfish.

    as to the arguments that younger people CAN produce quality designs and ideas, I never said they couldn't. I said it was MORE likely the results would be MORE professional if children were not allowed to contribute.

    and I've never objected to the suggestion the money should be paid to a guardian on their behalf, but until Cuusoo change the sign up terms and conditions this just is not an option.
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    • Uh, you own yourself in this comment sir. you first said it a talent that need years of practice, than you said,"It isn't about talent". :I

      ouch.
    • I'm using the term Talent in two different contexts. Talent - meaning a specific ability, and Talent - a rating of ability.

      But to be fair I should have used the term "skill" to avoid confusion.
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  • For your information the site rules DO allow children to access the site http://lego.cuusoo.com/terms but you MUST be older than 13.

    But to create a project you must be older than 18.

    So kids CAN vote.
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  • I'll start off by clarifying that Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) specifically restricts websites and online companies from collecting personal and contact information from under-13s - in other words, if you're younger than 13 years old, the company must set up a system of parental permission forms and legal support in order to allow you to register / use the site.

    Since COPPA is a whole heap of bother, many companies like LEGO decide that it's easier for them to simply not allow under-13s from using their site(s).

    But I digress - that was some background info for why 13 is the bottom range.

    In many countries, a person must be at least 18 years old before they can enter a business or legal contract - 18 is the age where people are by law consider adults capable of looking after their own interests instead of relying on parents to do so (okay, there may be exceptions, but meh).

    When companies like LEGO sign contracts with individuals or other parties, remuneration for work / intellectual property is usually in the form of money or stock options.

    "Rewards" in the manner parents give to children cannot be legally quantifiable by money, so rather than rewarding kids with a McD's voucher or a toy, they simply give out a lump sum / 1% proceeds from sales.

    But like I said, the catch is that they must be 18 or over to be legally permitted to receive money.

    Now, some of you may say, "but I make money from the paper run and I'm under 18!". Sure you do, but as an underage employee, you are considered a "casual" or "part time" worker, and so you don't get the same legal protection to make sure you actually get your wages as if you were a over-18 salaried or contract worker.

    One of the suggestions here involves having a parent legally representing their under-18 child in signing the contract, and putting the money in a trust fund for until the child is old enough. Strictly speaking, that would work, but that would depend on child/parent trust (and a whole heap of paper work) - parents may even unreasonably demand LEGO to pay for the cost of setting up the trust fund itself!

    And of course, the child may feel that the parent has taken away their ownership of their original idea.

    Another reason for the restriction is the quality of the project. Sure, there are a few under-18s out there with impressive building skills (Some of my AFOL friends were once top-notch TFOL builders whose work blow other AFOL's stuff out of the water), but for every kid prodigy there are hundreds, if not thousands, or average builders. It's a numbers game, and it doesn't work in favour of the few kid prodigies.

    Kids also lack the life experience to deal with different forms of criticism - whilst most can identify and ignore a churlish "You suck" from miles away, subtle forms like "I just don't think you've developed X in a way that reflects the source material accurately" are much harder to grasp.

    (Aside: On a Star Trek forum, a kid once came up with an idea. When the other older members started examining the idea in detail, talking about what could work or couldn't, said kid threw a massive "If you don't wanna help me, go away!" tantrum and quit. LEGO does not want to bear the brunt of parents complaining that their site hurt Bobby jr's feelings.)

    So in short, rather than get themselves into a whole world of legislative pain, as well as ensuring project quality, LEGO has wisely decided to restrict project creators to 18 years up.
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  • Very eloquently put. As useless and meaningless as the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 is outside the borders of the US, it all comes down to one single principle adopted by most countries as Common Law which is a minor can not enter into a legal contract. While the average age of majority in most countries has been established at 18, it does vary in other countries, ranging from 14 to 21 (shockingly the only corner in the planet where a 20 year old is still considered a minor under contract law is the state of Mississippi in the US). The paperboy example is fine, again, useless and meaningless outside the US as it is subject to each country's legislation (Labor Legal Frame) and jurisdiction, I can assure you that in France, Germany or Spain for example a paperboy is considered a worker with full rights, but that is not really relevant here. You are quite right about the contract and that's pretty much where the 18 comes from, let's just hope that no project from Mississippi reaches the 10.000 if the creator is under 21 in which case the releasing of rights by the creator to LEGO would be null and void by Mississippi laws. :)
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    • I wasn't aware of COPPA, especially since it has no power beyond the US, but it does explain LEGO's position far better than any of the speculation previously about contracts and child labour. Thanks for posting this it clears things up a lot.
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    Well, if minors submit ideas, can't their parents or legal guardians control the transaction?
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  • You are wrong, this here shows that you may have your parents do all of the business stuff, and use their acount and such, and DON'T have to lie about it! I, a fifteen year old boy, am using my father's acount together with him, and I'll tell everybody that I'm the creator of the project! You really should read those things before posting stuff like this: http://legocuusoo.uservoice.com/knowl...
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