What features should we add to Photosynth?

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We've got our backlog list of things that we know will make Photosynth better, but I'm sure we're only seeing some of the opportunities here. What would make Photosynth drmatically more useful and fun for YOU?
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I think a good start would be to get it working! Seriously, I downloaded and installed it and it just doesn't recognise that it has been installed (XP SP2).
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Peenie Wallie

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There are a lot of comments that the product needs the following:
* the ability to specify a starting point image
* the ability to give app hints on how the images connect
* the ability to link one synth to another synth
* a preview before upload
* an option to abort the upload if synth% is too low
* more reliable upload/publishing
* better error handling
* an option to view the log file

These are all much needed, no doubt. But the greatest let-down in my opinion is that the app doesn't make any attempt to construct a virtual 3d world from the images. All it really does is show a progressive series of flat images that have been photo-cobbled together.

What I wanted, (since you asked), was to have the software assemble the images into a 3D virtual world that the viewer could spin around in 360 degrees endlessly, and then zoom to any point for a closeup.

What we get is something much different than this.

I made a lot of different photosynths this weekend. I followed the directions in the video tutorial and in the .pdf (the directions are markedly different). I tried standing in the center of the room and spinning 360 degrees, taking a frame every 15 degrees. I tried standing in the corners and blanketing the room from each corner, and also from the middle of the walls, as instructed.

My hope was that the software would then seamless stitch the images together and create a 3D virtual world where the viewer could fly though with a mouse like they were riding a flying carpet. I was, of course, in for a Microsoft scale of disappointment.

Instead, (if it works), then for every position where you stood and pivoted to shoot pictures, you now have inadvertently created a unique physical location that a Photosynth viewer must navigate to in order to see those images. Argh!

The PhotoCobble team has managed to drag all of the limitations of meatspace into virtual world.

There should not be a separate movement from one "shooting position" to the next. Zooming in on a photo and movement should be one-and-the-same. In the virtual world, it doesn't make sense to separate the two. When I zoom into a photo, it is (or should be) the exact same as moving in that direction. Then, when I turn to the right, I should see what is on my right. I should be able to spin 360 degrees, and not hit the end of the photostitched panorama.

I find walking from point to point awkward, counter-intuitive, and tedious.

The goal should be to stitch the images into a viewable model using QTVR (QuickTime Virtual Reality) or DevalVR. Until then, I'm going to look for something else. This Beta version of PhotoCobble is too aggravating to play with any further at this point.
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Luke

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Where do you get "PhotoCobble"?
I serached at google, but didn't find anything.
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Peenie Wallie

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I made it up as an alternate name for Photosynth. My thought being that the images are not truly "synthesized" into a 3D virtual world. More accurately, they are just "cobbled" together, so you end up viewing a somewhat uncomfortable series of flat images patched together. If they were truly "synthesized", then to my way of thinking, the user would not be able to notice the seams between the images. They'd all be synthesized into a smooth, continuous field of view. :)
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This may be their next step... for v. 3.0. Or even better they may allow a 3D reconstruction from a bunch of photos, and then I guess you could REALLY call it PhotoSynth, maybe PhotoSynth3D :D
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I really hope they will do that. I can't be too difficult, they have already the point cloud. I don't know why photosynth's current version is 2.0, it should be more something like 0.1 alpha.
The product is good, but it will take years until it becomes good enough. for me. There is just SOOO much to improve.
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GODLIKE

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I don't think you should be so hard with them ;)
If you think a moment on it, you find that the tool is still damn useful, it just needs some tweaking.
The fact that we see so much potential in this thing does not mean that it is a poor software. It is just at its beginning and I am sure that from the point cloud they will come out with a 3D representation quite soon, let's say... 1 year.
Like says Jed after this post, at the moment there are some tweaks to do at all costs, in the management of pictures and options at least.
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Thanks GODLIKE! Indeed-- we *know* there are tons of basic improvements, e.g. in community and synth management features, that we need to make, which is why many (though not all) of the comments on this page are so useful; we're also *very* aware of the many great places this could go in re. more complete 3D reconstruction, more seamless navigation, etc. (although personally I'll always want the integrity of the photos preserved also). But we also know that even with all its 'alpha', 'beta', '1.0' or '0.1' flaws (depending on your perspective and experience) there's lots of great stuff being done with this service. We've seen many examples. A synth doesn't have to be-- in fact shouldn't be-- just a mechanical covering of a space from every possible angle. Those who don't want to be bothered with something less than video-game-like 3D fidelity, come back in a year or two ;).
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Microsoft is to software what Detroit is to the automobile industry - an aging giant playing catchup to the world around them.

If you guys want to stand around golf-clapping one of the largest corporations on earth for releasing something that it looks and performs like 2 guys thought up over beers in a brew pub on the left coast, sketched it on a cocktail napkin, and then coded it in their basement over nights and weekends for 3 months, then have at it. If, on the other hand, you want to venture out of the shallow end of the pool and stitch some photos into a seamless 3d spherical pano, I suggest you quit wasting your time with the PhotoCobble beta and look into these apps:

* PTGui, PTAssembler/PTMac etc and PanoTools.
* Panomizer
* Panoweaver
* Realview 3D
* 3DVista Studio
* Realviz Stitcher Unlimited DS
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This is, again, wrong.
The applications you mention do not allow first of all real time streaming of datas, which is the basic and maybe the coolest feature of PS. Maybe you don't see very far: you can build virtually unlimited collection of photos, you can map entire cities seamlessy. This is what PS is going to do. And at the moment we only see the first bone of it.
And PhotoSynth is not PanoramaMaker or QuickTimeVR or anything like that.
It keeps the photos available as a single unit and streams only the necessary datas of a picture.
Just give them a bit more time and I think this app will blast away many tools.
What you don't see, especially, is the DESIGN of PS, that is made to perfectly fit as an internet application and is TOTALLY scalable.

I want to state that I am not an MS employee or fan, instead I often don't agree with MS policies and market aggression, but I must say that this research job looks quite promising to me.
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PTGui - stiches images not 360 viewing let alone navigation.
PTAssembler - stiches images not 360 viewing.
PanoTools - hard to find a google search gave me a mailing list seems to be a "cobbled" together libbry and applications. "free suite of programs and libraries " replace suite with *cobble*.
Panomizer - not in english?
Panoweaver - Closer we have 360 panorama (like we did in the late 90's) and moving from fixed points to see another panorama. A stiching of panoramas. PanoWalker's interface was nice but again moving from fixed point to the next on and at each point giving the ability to pan.
Realview 3D web site is a pain pop-ups and hard to navigate. Does that say something about the product? I ended up at BobCat Cad?
3DVista Studio - panoramic seen this back the late 90's. Fixed points no ability to move from one location to the next. In one demo I saw a pool with a fountain next to it. It Would be nice to click on the fountain and zoom in. Not as interactive.
Realviz Stitcher - just that a stitcher. No interactive moving.

I'm not saying that improvements can't be done. But you are comparing apples with oranges. PhotoSynth is not a panoramic viewer although that is one thing it can do.

The ability to look around a room see something in that room then click on it to get a big view is better than just moving the room around in circles.

I have had no problems making a room synth I just think it is the amount of time and energy you put into it and what the results will be.
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stealthtech - you said "I just think it is the amount of time and energy you put into it and what the results will be." I assume what you're trying to say is that one needs to put more effort into the images to get better results. My point is that I spent several hours this weekend shooting images exactly as described in the video and the pdf document. Although the two differ in their directions significantly, I tried both approaches. And what I got is not good.

It's true that Photosynth is, in theory, capable of more than attempting to synth a room. But right now, there's no way to tell it not to synth. When I first saw it, I thought it was brilliant, because I had no clue what it did and I uploaded a bunch of random photos. With a sythy of 0%, it's just a pure GUI front-end onto Seadragon, and is the best photo viewer/browser I've ever seen. I was blown away by that part. But there's no way to tell it not to synth the images, so this goes out the window (for now, anyway).

But the synthesis to me seems to be just a quirky little toy to play with at this point. Others may disagree. Y'all have at it. I do think that this forum is a brilliant way for them to solicit ideas, report problems, and ask questions. The forum is well staffed and moderated and does a brilliant job of assisting the development team as they try to drink from the proverbial firehose. My hat is off to the small, but dedicated development team, as they obviously have their work cut out for them and are trying very hard to hit the ground running. I personally don't plan on using Photosynth in the immediate future, however, because right now, the product is not at a stage that I can get it to reliably do the things I want it to. For others, have fun. I wish y'all the best of luck with it. :)
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@Peenie
There is a crucial difference between Photosynth and the panorama stitching software you list. If you ever get out of what you term the 'shallow end of the pool' yourself you will discover that in making a good panorama, all the source images must be shot from the same location. If you want truly seamless results that doesn't mean standing at about the same place for all the shots either. That means taking care to rotate the camera about the entrance pupil of the lens, usually with the help of a very expensive panoramic tripod head. Photosynth handles images shot from diverse locations. But then again since Photosynth is not an image stitching application there is little point in comparing it with image stitchers. If anything it has more in common with photogrammetry based software such as Imagemodeler and Photomodeler. As for your comment about how it looks and performs, if you'd ever used even the best of those applications you listed, you would realise that Photosynth has a top class level of performance in finding point correspondences between large numbers of images. The zooming and image scaling is excellent, I believe having been developed in and ported from a separate research effort. Try to create a point cloud of a density and complexity similar to Photosynth's on Imagemodeler and it will take you all day. I'm sure it is very easy to belittle the effort of the team that created Photosynth. However, I think you should be aware that you in danger of coming across as someone who is criticising it simply because it is a Microsoft product, rather than someone with a considered opinion.
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Panovoyeur - you said "However, I think you should be aware that you in danger of coming across as someone who is criticising it simply because it is a Microsoft product, rather than someone with a considered opinion."
I'm not dissing the product because it's a MIcrosoft product, but my point here is that I'm not the guy to stand around golf-clapping a bare-bones boot-strap start-up that's backed by one of the largest corporations on the planet. If this was from six guys in a basement in South San Francisco, then I probably wouldn't be surprised when they called a buggy beta product "Release 2.0" I'd probably expect some chicanery around the release numbering schema. But, coming from one of the largest corporations on Earth, I assumed it would be better designed and more thoroughly vetted. I apologize for expecting more. I'll leave y'all to your little quirky application. Good luck getting the results you want from it. For me, it was a nightmare. Again, I wish y'all the best, and I'm sorry for demeaning your little diamond in the rough.
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Peenie Wallie, I think your perception that because the company is big then they should throw all the people at a project along with the money. Well that is not how this was done. This was done like you said. But instead of a basement it was an office. Instead of 6 people it was about 12. This just shows that how much money you throw at something does not matter. The same 12 or 6 guys in a basement in San Frasico with venture capalist (or none) or by the onese from microsoft might turn out the same product. The problem you have is that this was not 12 guys backed by venture capalist but by microsoft. And becasue it was microsoft it should have been the best thing sense slice bread.
Then you give us a list of compannies that don't look to give two hoots about the product but to make some money off "panoramas" until the hype goes away. Then those compannies will vanish. Where is Surround Video today? gone like yesterdays news. How much R&D went into those products you listed?
And look closer not all of us here do that clap what do you call it golf clapping. There are post here with what one would call constructive critisim. The difference and my perception is that you just jumped on the website put together a synth in 5 mintues to say "I did it." when asked. Then dumped on the product. If you would have read and looked at videos and spent some more time making synths. You *migth* see things different. Also remeber not all MS people and money go into one project.
"Photosynth comes from a passionate little startup of two dozen people in Microsoft Live Labs. We are scientists, engineers, and designers working like crazy to deliver on Photosynth’s promise." from the About Us on http://photosynth.net/about.aspx.
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Yeah, that. Except that, instead of me having "put together a synth in 5 minutes", I spent hours shooting and reshooting and synthing and resynthing and reading every scrap of directions (there's almost zero) and watching the video where the tart flippantly runs around shooting erratically - I'd love to see how her's turned out - and the synths were a big disappointment. First, they didn't upload. And then, when they did, they weren't sythy enough. So I shot and reshot and panned and turned 15 degree. I took photos every 10 degrees. I shot from the corners, from the middle of the room, from the center. I followed the directions to the freaking letter and what I got was a disappointment. So, I'm sorry that your product is a letdown, but that's what it is. I wish you the best.
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Peenie, please either keep it constructive or don't post. You're now neither asking for help nor offering feedback that's useful to us or to other users.
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Stop feeding the troll.
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Peenie Wallie

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Blaise Aguera y Arcas - Yeah, actually, I did offer a ton of feedback on your product. You can see the above post that generated so many comments. So, thanks for playing. I thought y'all wanted feedback, not just praise. My bad. I just returned from a photo assignment "Green Sunday at Red Rocks in Morrison-2008", which I'm sure you've heard about by now. I shot Colorado Governor Bill Richardson, U.S. Senator Ken Salazar, Robert Kennedy Jr., Van Jones, Bill McDonough, Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, Sugarland, Dave Matthews, and Sheryl Crow. For the first hour, I was shooting in the lowest resolution possible because I had set my camera to shoot at low-res while trying to work out the bugs in your product. Don't worry, it won't happen again and I won't be posting any more constructive comments and/or suggestions on your site. I'll leave the product to the amateurs. (Funny - but none of the professional photographers shooting the event had hear of Photosynth. Hmmmm.)

I'll return you to your golf-clapping fans now. Good luck. :)

http://www.peeniewallie.com/2008/08/g...
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@Peennie, for someone who is not going to use the product you sure spend a lot of time trying to criticize it. I think that PS is in its first public release very mature. It has a lot of potential and I can even imagine that in the future it will allow the rendering of a real 3D world. But that is not what this product was meant for. It is now a extraordinary slideshow that allows viewing a 3D 'like' world placing the pictures in its context.
But then again there are always people more than willing to breakdown effort of others....
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@Peennie, for someone who is not going to use the product you sure spend a lot of time trying to criticize it. I think that PS is in its first public release very mature. It has a lot of potential and I can even imagine that in the future it will allow the rendering of a real 3D world. But that is not what this product was meant for. It is now a extraordinary slideshow that allows viewing a 3D 'like' world placing the pictures in its context.
But then again there are always people more than willing to breakdown effort of others....
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Right. All of the feedback and suggestions I posted above for improvement don't count because I don't just fawn all over the product. You're right. My bad. My input is totally useless. Maybe they should filter the post so that only glowing praise is allowed? Good idea. :)
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Arrow - That's right. All of the feedback and suggestions I posted above for improvement don't count because I don't just fawn all over the product. You're right. My bad. My input is totally useless. Maybe they should filter the posts so that only glowing praise is allowed? Then y'all can all just post how grand it is and hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Good idea. :)
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No you are mistaking me now. I think the bulletlist in your initial post is very ok. But in the next paragraph you are mistaking the purpose of this tool. It's initial setup is to show images in there context. I'm just saying that your criticizing it on that part is out of bounds. The first tags shall be put into perspective of the development team. But boy are you kicking sore toes on this forum... hahaha... And keep up the "I'm the crying in the dark". Suppose you get your kicks from getting into places you are not supposed to get into. Maybe the developmentcenter where they are working on PhotoSynth would be a nice challenge for you ;-)...
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I think your suggestions for improvement are great. But I also think PhotoSynth is one of the most amazing pieces of software I've ever seen. Almost magical. Hard to believe it exists. I look forward to improvements, but I like it a lot like it is.
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I love all the ideas but working faster is what is killing this, how about the ability for me to hint at where pictures will come together. oh and it seems like being able to add and remove picture would be better than remaking the whole thing when you want to change something. those poor over worked severs.
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*** SEARCH FILTER ***

I would like a search filter ... there's alot of good one, but way more crappy ones. And we are only able to see the last 50 pages worth of Synth Jobs.

How about being able to search for % Synthy, number of photos, how long ago was it synthed (last 2 hrs, last 24 hrs, last 2 days, etc) or a date range.

And then perhaps, having the ability able to tag our favorite ones.

:o)
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An option 'shutdown PC when done.'

Save the environment ;-)
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I am sure like most web based services, the current 20 GB limit may start to increase over time, so I am assuming photosynth may too.

But one thing that I think would be a nice feature is to take archive worthy synths and move them to a "museum" or some other exhibit space. The key point here would be that the synth size would no longer count against the personal storage limits of that user. This could encourage users to put together more complex (larger) synths without worrying about running out of space if they have something the masses really like.

To judge a synth to be worthy of eternal persistence, some basic guidelines could be set such as minimum synthy level or number of photos. Once it passes the basic threshold, then of course open it to voting. This of course could also provide a new way to explore synths (another tab).

While your at it, you really need to provide for a simple way of adding a viewed synth to your own personal bookmarks so you can find it again. With the number of synths out there, I am finding (or lack of) it difficult to revisit a synth that is not on the main page.
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Awesome idea dude!! I would definitely be willing to go down to my local landmarks/museums if this was implemented.
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Screen saver viewer
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Already possible and easy for a user to make without wasting Live Labs' valuable time.. Just a standard screensaver with an IE ActiveX control, then use the embed option to embed the synth, then send the keystroke to begin the slideshow using the sendkeys API. Would be an ideal hobby project for someone just starting out in one of the .Net languages, and guaranteed to make their website/blog popular (great for pagerank and may even make some advert revenue!)
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I notice that if / when my synth is not 100% it sort of "clumps" together possibly several groups of images that do synth. On occassion there are also "orphan" images that sit at the bottom of the thumbnail view listing all by themselves and they are available as a stand alone slide - maybe these could be auto-discarded with a note telling the user what slide was discarded as it did not match any of the clumps? I find I am usually deleting these individual slides and then re-synthing. Maybe this could be an automated step?
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No no no no, please not that. It would be ok if that's a choice but having a Synth of a for example a pary will result in several synthed sets and maybe one of two seperate ones. But i would still like to see all of them...
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Scottt and Sanshyuum, 20GB is quite a lot of space-- not many of *us* have reached our quotas yet. For the couple who have, we've just increased the limit :). If you're motivated enough to fill your 20GB with fine synthiness, just send any of us an email and we'll be happy to increase your limit!
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I look forward to trying when a mac version is available...I would also be curious to know your thoughts on applying this "meta-verse" to data management...particularly healthcare where we have a new stealth co. in development. Discussed with Microsoft scouts last week for second time. Would relish an opportunity to chat more with you Blaise...know you are busy. Enjoy, Dan
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That's great to hear that we could possibly get more space. Thanks. Time to syth a lot more stuff, I think.
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What does the donut mean? I created a 100% synthy layout of my workshop and sometimes a horizontal donut appears and I don't know what that means/does.
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Arrow

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this means you have an "inner 360 view" ... you can go over the donut and it will show you segmented highlights that represent the portion/angle to which you can switch. In fact it is the same principle as having a "rectangle" that is highlighted when you move over it.
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Blaise Aguera y Arcas, Employee

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sprior, donut, or 'halo' as we call it, appears in certain places in certain synths-- when an 'object' is detected. What's an 'object'? It's when multiple shots seem to be focusing in on something from different angles but from a similar distance. Then, you see the halo in those shots. It goes away if you don't move the mouse. You can drag the halo to move among the object shots. You can also click on other available segments of the halo to move around that object, e.g. if available, go to a back or side view in a single click. Holding Ctrl to reveal the pointcloud while you drag the halo can be fun.
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I love the halo. Wish there were an easier way to find the halos without getting close. Like a "show all halos" key, or a "next halo" key.
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I have several photogroups that are not 100% synthy... maybe they are only 50% or so, but they should be (or could be)...

if you are looking for new features, how about a feature to allow a user to "Help photosynth stitch more of these photos together"

I immagine looking at the grid view and grabing an image from one group and draging it over an image from another group (manually) then seeing those two images side by side in an editor mode where i can teach photosynth that these two images are of the same thing... maybe by picking 5 or 6 points in each photo that are the same points on the same object?

you can see multiple examples of this in my Kauai heli tour http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=1...

and a smaller example in my front yard:
http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=9... going to this link and clicking on the grid view shows 3 groups and 4 remainder pictures... If I could "help" I think this could be 100% synthy.

;)
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I sugguest in future version a way to add sound tags to each photo. Add sound and even music as you move around. Also a way to overlay a 2 rendered groups: One day and One night. Then have a scroll bar on the side to change from night to day (on the fly). That would be so cool.
Finally, if you can add 3d objects and simple animation like a door opening and closing. I am excieted to see where this technology will go and how it will develop in the next 5 years. :D Keep up the great work!
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Hi. I've just seen firsts synths and read the guides to better synthing, and by watching the video and demos of taking dozens of pictures of an object or room, I thought Photosynth would save our time if it could treat VIDEO FRAMES as pictures, i.e., synth video frames directly!

That would spare time and effort. It is easier to walk around a statue filming it than stopping, taking a picture, walking and stopping again, etc.

Another huge thing, which the developing team probably thought already, is to connect produced synths to Live Maps, which will work actually much better than Google's attempt to provide a architecture software to build things and link it to Google Maps.

And by doing it with both videos and pictures (and by making it possible to add pictures and frames to a previously made synth), public spaces would be quickly upgraded.

Oh, and there's something else that should be addressed in a further stage: the date (and maybe time) of the picture/video frame. Why? Because if I can add a pictures to a previously made synth, my pictures may represent a different state of that building, for example.

Imagine Times Square. It would be possible to have several synths for it: one in September/2008, one near Christmas/2008, one one new year's eve/2008, etc. That because it wouldn't actually be the same space (or, seen from another angle, the same space wouldn't have the same look), and because it would be really hard to synth those pictures from so different situations.

These were my brainstorm ideas when discovering Photosynth. (I confess I haven't read all the replies to see if any of these were already posted.)

Thanks and good luck, team!

Alain (Rio, Brazil)
alainsr@gmail.com
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Why don't you just extract the frames from a movie then. Just shoot your film and then extract the images. That way you'll have a lot of input. Just remember one thing.
A film will have motion blurr. That is not very nice on a picture.. set your cam in a, lets say, 10 FPS if you can do that and move your cam slowly through the room. (I'd rather use my continues shoot on my cam.. it will shoot 60 pictures or so .. with small interfalls) Just press the button. and walk the walk ;-)
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I havnt read all of the replies because there is sooo many amazing and intuitive ideas! However my suggestion would be to allow the software to fill in any spaces and allow this to be a downloadable 3d Model!
This was inspired by the national geographic picturs of the sphynx which when i pressed CTRL to view the "cloud" i could basically work out the 3D shape that is the Sphynx itself. so therefore maybe if the software was allowed to do some calculations as to fill in as many spaces on the cloud of points that could complete the model. As to be fair the image isn't likely to have a huge spike coming out so because of this the model could be created with some simple improvisation of pixels!
Thanks for your time!
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Im back again once again i dont know if this has been suggested but oh well!
it would be great if there as a drop down menu for searching criteria such as "More than 20 images" in the project or " most viewed" etc thanks!
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It would be great to have the possibility to export the 3D point cloud into a XYZ ACSII file....
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alan

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Sry, should have this here
http://getsatisfaction.com/livelabs/t...
My ideas

wow, what a good statue kinlough :¬)
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alan

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David Gedye, Principal Group Manager

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When I wrote this question many months ago I wasn't thinking properly about how Get Satisfaction works, and I realize now that by posing this as a specific question, I've ended up with literally hundreds of great ideas buried in comments here. Not good.

So, I'm hereby requesting that we all stop posting new ideas on this thread, and instead open up new "Idea" postings with new ideas as you have them. That way the next person to have that good idea will see that it already exists, and simply append a me-too, or a comment to it.

Apologies for not thinking of this earlier!
David.
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David, do we have to repost? Or how will we know of an Idea that is already on your guy's/gal's list? I'm just a bit confused on how to take what is here disseminate what is not and then determine if I should start a new post or did you already get the Idea. For example I have the idea about renaming files. Should I leave that alone did you all get the idea? Or should I now start up a thread on that?
Should a few "Idea" thread already be started for those that need further discussion:
Like: navigation, adding hints, resynthing, adding photos, renaming, etc...
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stealthtech

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I'm a bit clearer now. I did not notice the tab “Share an Idea” on the Live Labs home page. Instead of “Ask a Question” (the default). Instead of adding to this thread we should select “Share an Idea”. Search first and if we don’t find something similar create a new one.
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stealthtech look for an existing idea post here: http://getsatisfaction.com/livelabs/p.... if you see something that's close to what you want just add a "me too". it's the me too feature that makes the idea page so powerful because it allows an easy way to see what people are asking for.

to answer more directly, yes we'll check this post but if you really want to give people a chance to agree with and support your ideas then make sure they're posted as ideas.
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stealthtech

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I'm having a hard time getting to that from start page. When I click that link you sent I see "ideas in Live Labs about Photosynth". But how do I go from the start page "Recently active topics in Live Labs
" to that page? I see "Share an Idea" but that does not change anythign when I click on it.
How to go from here http://getsatisfaction.com/livelabs to http://getsatisfaction.com/livelabs/p...
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Ken, Official Rep

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stealthtech see my reply below with image
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Ken, Official Rep

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stealthtech, look for the two dropdowns that look like the ones below.
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Well, I think that it is almost done (it is a joke, it suppose is difficult). As I have seen in your videos and explanations you take the photo features (representative points) and put it in a 3D model comparing the photos. So at the end you have a 3d cloud of features in which you project 2d photos cutting those points depending of the angle of vision and position in the cloud.

¿it could be possible to make triangles with all those points, make some squares with them and put the texture that you have in the photo into it? Of course I would be nice to download it for 3ds and xaml.

What do you think?

Impressive job, you should be happy for working in that nice project.
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I would like to be able to store and use my synths on my machine.
I have copyright and the processing is done on my machine so why can't I save my synths and (for example) transfer them to my laptop to view when not online.
I would also like to be able to link my synth to others with similar tags etc, as in the original presentation for Seadragon.
See here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWaOy3...
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The only reason that you can't do this is that Microsoft wants to control it. Similar to the way they say that you can't upload private synths, they have to all be public. Same deal on controlling the synths. They only run on Microsoft's website. You can't run them on your pc. Why not? Because they say so. Next.
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homermeyn

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That's what I thought. Unfortunately Microsoft still think that they rule the world, or at least, rule the world's computers.

Go linux!
Lets have an open source app that does the same but quicker and easier than MS.
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Hi Homer,
Well I've looked at sourceforge but you did not start a project yet. What's stopping you from creating one of your own.
Looking at your comment I suppose you'll have it ready next month so I'll check back then... pffffff
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I realize it's a lot of work, but would it be possible to...

1....Have the system automatically search for similarities between a new synth and existing synths, so that where applicable it would create a combined synth? The more pictures in a synth, the better the model, right?

2....Provide the user with an interface to select pictures from popular photo-management sites such as PicasaWeb, Flickr, Photobucket, etc.?

3....Provide the user with the opportunity to geo-tag a synth? This would enable a location-based search of synths, which would be extra-cool, especially when combined with a service like Virtual Earth or Google Earth.

Thanks,
Yuval