Today we have the option: "Notify when too far from track"
Fine !
But, am I too far to the right or left ??
It would be very useful if there were two different sounds.
Suggestion:
Imagine yourself sitting in front of a piano, low sound = left, high sound=right
I can already see the headlines in boat magazines:
"Locus navigating your boat through your ears" ;-)
cheers
/zailor
Fine !
But, am I too far to the right or left ??
It would be very useful if there were two different sounds.
Suggestion:
Imagine yourself sitting in front of a piano, low sound = left, high sound=right
I can already see the headlines in boat magazines:
"Locus navigating your boat through your ears" ;-)
cheers
/zailor
Posted 3 years ago
Perhaps resurrect an idea from aviation of the 1930s and 1940s.
The LOW FREQUENCY RANGE for navigation.
If you were on one side of a desired course, you heard at intervals-
The Morse Code for the letter "N" ( -.) Dah Dit
If you were on the other side of course, you heard at intervals-
The Morse Code for the letter "A" (.-) Dit Dah
If you were centered on course, you heard-
A continuous tone.
The continuous tone could be set very low in volume.
The volume or the recurr rate of the A and N could increase with distance off-course.
Sounds to me like this would be a battery killer though.
The phone vibrator could be used instead of the speaker..............
The LOW FREQUENCY RANGE for navigation.
If you were on one side of a desired course, you heard at intervals-
The Morse Code for the letter "N" ( -.) Dah Dit
If you were on the other side of course, you heard at intervals-
The Morse Code for the letter "A" (.-) Dit Dah
If you were centered on course, you heard-
A continuous tone.
The continuous tone could be set very low in volume.
The volume or the recurr rate of the A and N could increase with distance off-course.
Sounds to me like this would be a battery killer though.
The phone vibrator could be used instead of the speaker..............
Oho...the "Lorentz system" or "Knickebein". Original from the 30's. Very interesting but not too happy to strictly follow a track and continuous tone and that for 50 km's or more ?
tommi, Champion
Read the later comments and you'll see it's much better with spoken directions.
Hi tommi,
I did more tests today and I do agree that the TTS system works very very fine ! And I agree it is a fantastic guiding aid.
But TTS language must be the same as in the Locus program language otherwise only a big silence follows and so bad test conclusions !
However I noticed this older guiding system and this triggered me and I could not resist to (positively) comment. This method was used for airplanes landing help (originaly) (= follow straight line tracking). I just picked this up because of my interests in readings about these older pre WW2 basic techniques ;-).
73 Willy.
I did more tests today and I do agree that the TTS system works very very fine ! And I agree it is a fantastic guiding aid.
But TTS language must be the same as in the Locus program language otherwise only a big silence follows and so bad test conclusions !
However I noticed this older guiding system and this triggered me and I could not resist to (positively) comment. This method was used for airplanes landing help (originaly) (= follow straight line tracking). I just picked this up because of my interests in readings about these older pre WW2 basic techniques ;-).
73 Willy.
tommi, Champion
Hi Willy,
I seem to remember that the no more taking part forum member Starman has also a certain affinity to avionics which explains these ideas you both have.
I seem to remember that the no more taking part forum member Starman has also a certain affinity to avionics which explains these ideas you both have.
berkley, Champion
Menion, Official Rep
Menion, Official Rep
tommi, Champion
I've tested it and if I understand what you mean it works. So, I put my smartphone in my pocket, my headset in my ears and go. Whenever I have to go straight or turn left or turn right , I hear the instruction.
Here's the discussion/question: http://gsfn.us/t/2utaz
Here's the discussion/question: http://gsfn.us/t/2utaz
tommi, Champion
No Marc, the discussion here is about guiding, not about navigation as in the link to the other topic
Sorry, I didn't understand well than ;-)
gynta, Champion
elmuSSo, Champion
The first idea I had when reading "Guiding with your ears" was of a stereo sound. A sound on left ear if you have to go left... Just follow the beep. You could even provide an angle with simulated surround.
elmuSSo, Champion
Wow. This is futuristic:)
Menion, Official Rep
tommi, Champion
Just gave it a first try from the sofa.
Great start!
At a first glance I was a bit confused because the TTS said something completely different compared to the guiding line. But as configured, the type of notification is set to "Notify when too far away from track" which matches the TTS output.
TTS in English "30 meters on 3 o'clock" is good, in German it is "30 Meter um 3 o'clock" but should be "30 Meter nach 3 Uhr".
Will it be possible in the further development of this feature to use also "Notify when switching to another point" (which is actually equivalent to https://getsatisfaction.com/locus/top... which is more interesting for me)?
Great start!
At a first glance I was a bit confused because the TTS said something completely different compared to the guiding line. But as configured, the type of notification is set to "Notify when too far away from track" which matches the TTS output.
TTS in English "30 meters on 3 o'clock" is good, in German it is "30 Meter um 3 o'clock" but should be "30 Meter nach 3 Uhr".
Will it be possible in the further development of this feature to use also "Notify when switching to another point" (which is actually equivalent to https://getsatisfaction.com/locus/top... which is more interesting for me)?
Menion, Official Rep
yes it's planned. I have bigger idea in my mind. You may see start of it when you create some routable track in Locus. There will be icons with correct routing order, so I have idea to make these points editable and also possibility to add your own. "Navigating" along imported track is anyway more complicated then this, so this is first step
Main question for me is "what to say"
If distance + orientation like now "300 meters on 3 o'clock"
or
distance + bearing difference like "30 degree left and 300 meters"
or
some simple angles like navigation "300 meters slightly left"
or whatever useful :). First option seems best for me, but I'm sure not everyone will know what this mean
Main question for me is "what to say"
If distance + orientation like now "300 meters on 3 o'clock"
or
distance + bearing difference like "30 degree left and 300 meters"
or
some simple angles like navigation "300 meters slightly left"
or whatever useful :). First option seems best for me, but I'm sure not everyone will know what this mean
tommi, Champion
I also would prefer the 1st one. One important question about 300m: Shall I turn to 3 after 300m or shall I move the next 300m in the direction of 3?
Again I would prefer the 1st one.
But after the turn there should be something like "straight on for the next 500m" in case the next point is "far away" (to be defined).
Again I would prefer the 1st one.
But after the turn there should be something like "straight on for the next 500m" in case the next point is "far away" (to be defined).
Menion, Official Rep
it's mean
"now turn by 3 o'clock (so turn by 90 degree) and go 300 metres"
I'm sure there will be better way how to say it, right? Any native speaker? thanks :)
"now turn by 3 o'clock (so turn by 90 degree) and go 300 metres"
I'm sure there will be better way how to say it, right? Any native speaker? thanks :)
gynta, Champion
Can TTS read and speak some prepared language pack textfiles?
So we can write some text files for each language.
Locus send a command and TTS read a translation file.
I'm on a wrong way? :)
So we can write some text files for each language.
Locus send a command and TTS read a translation file.
I'm on a wrong way? :)
Menion, Official Rep
not directly some text files, but I was also thinking about some text files with defined parameters specially prepared for TTS. Like predefined pairs key/value, that will contain exactly texts that TTS should speak. Don't know if it's same in German, but Czech TTS speak sometimes really a huge nonsenses :)
gynta, Champion
hm TTS works fine in the most of situations. i'm using SVOX (don't know if that makes a difference). In the setup of SVOX i can write a few lines of text to check it. So I thought TTS can repeat the text also simply for Locus.
Menion, Official Rep
tommi, Champion
Again gave it a try with the new version. Focussed on "Notify if change to another point" which should more or less be https://getsatisfaction.com/locus/top....
In general good but few things:
- It says "in 15meters " but even if I move very slow on the map it's more like 10meters; at least compared with what the text for the guiding line tells me
- Is there a setting to change the 15meters to a different value? 15meters might be o.k. for a hiker but not for a biker.
- It ignored one of my points on the track and immediately jumped to the next one (both guiding line and navigation instruction). I sent you the track and instructions per mail.
In general good but few things:
- It says "in 15meters " but even if I move very slow on the map it's more like 10meters; at least compared with what the text for the guiding line tells me
- Is there a setting to change the 15meters to a different value? 15meters might be o.k. for a hiker but not for a biker.
- It ignored one of my points on the track and immediately jumped to the next one (both guiding line and navigation instruction). I sent you the track and instructions per mail.
Menion, Official Rep
I don't fully understand "15 metres". There is no such value forced in Locus. When switch to another point is defined in settings (guiding), so this value in your settings, should be +- value you should hear.
So if you have defined ""set next point" on 100m, then you should hear voice command when you're below 100m to current points (so in the moment, Locus switch to next guiding point)
thanks for track. It's so small that it really depend on "set next point" value. You have set this on 15m?
So if you have defined ""set next point" on 100m, then you should hear voice command when you're below 100m to current points (so in the moment, Locus switch to next guiding point)
thanks for track. It's so small that it really depend on "set next point" value. You have set this on 15m?
tommi, Champion
Ah, I only saw the value which can be selected for "notify when too far away from track". Now I see also "Set next point" which wass set to 10m in my test, so my observation regarding the distance when it jumps to the next point matches the setting.
I did a new test (with same smale track) but now with 20m for "Set next point".
Now it jumps 20m before the point to the next one but TTS says still always 15 meters !?
Btw. auto-select best point is enabled.
I did a new test (with same smale track) but now with 20m for "Set next point".
Now it jumps 20m before the point to the next one but TTS says still always 15 meters !?
Btw. auto-select best point is enabled.
tommi, Champion
Menion, were you able to reproduce my problems?
1) always 15m
2) turn left for point 7 missing if following the track I've sent you
1) always 15m
2) turn left for point 7 missing if following the track I've sent you
