Guiding with your ears

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Today we have the option: "Notify when too far from track"
Fine !
But, am I too far to the right or left ??
It would be very useful if there were two different sounds.

Suggestion:
Imagine yourself sitting in front of a piano, low sound = left, high sound=right

I can already see the headlines in boat magazines:
"Locus navigating your boat through your ears" ;-)

cheers
/zailor
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ah sorry tommi, I wasn't playing with your track a lot. I just tested it one and because this track is quite complicated and very very short, I throw it to trash :)

System i create need to have longer distances. I set up limit on voice commands 50m, so you'll hear voice mostly once per 50m, no more. There is anyway many more conditions by which I compute if say something or not anyway count that on short complicated paths, like one you use for testing, it will probably never work correctly as normal computed route

new test version if someone want to try is here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8015949/Locu...

I was yesterday on small trip (around 10km) to test it and seems to work surprisingly well :)
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Hi, Menion,
your link to the test version doesn't work (anymore?).
Cheers!
Wilfried
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Tried the latest version now and want to make few more comments to this feature which is going to become really a highlight of Locus.

1) In recent coments I wrote sometimes about 15meters. I misunderstood, it was always 50 meters.

2) Why fix 50m?
50m is a bit long for a hiker, o.k. for a biker but too short for a car driver.
The setting is already there: "Set next point".
Then it would work in the same way as the guiding line.

3) TTS missing for arrived at destination.

4) A behaviour I love from classic Locus navigation is automatic switch between navigation and guiding mode (with notification when too far away from track) and vice versa. Up to now I could only have a beep or sound if too far away from track. Now this is working with TTS. Great!!!

5) Could you make the new navigation switch in same way between "switching to another point" and "notification when too far away from track" and vice versa? Otherwise there will be no more instructions at all if you lost the track...
This wold be the cherry on the cake!!!
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Made an outdoor test now and I can confirm that it works quite well - in the current version if points are separated more than 50meters from each other.

6) If points are separated less than about 50m it leads to sometimes wrong information via TTS. I understand that it is difficult to summarize instructions for two points with little distance. The problem can be avoided in some cases by setting artifical points (e.g. you actually would need 2 points but decide to set only one but maybe a little bit off the actual path). If Locus could handle a smaller minimum distance between points this problem could also be avoided in even more cases, cf. 2). However it makes no sense to set points with distance smaller than GPS accuracy.

7) There is a text "After 100m " which is later repeated as "After 50m ". At least sometimes (I'm not sure because I didn't check it on the display always) the text for distance of 100m from waypoint is already spoken at an actual distance of about 140m (checked with the distance information on the guiding line and confirmed with the distance circle which crossed the route long before the next waypoint).
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Hey guys, is no one except me testing this brilliant feature?
Help Menion to complete this wonderful feature!
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:) thanks. I'll do some more small updates to it and release new version probably in Thursday. Then will be some more reactions
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Menion, please add some intents being fired up, after there is a new guiding message. This could be captured by some external app which will make use of the messages ( for example send them to LiveView watch, and show in form of pictures representing the turning direction )
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elmuSSo, there were already before some request on Tasker integration. This is similar right? Remind me this when this improved guiding will works fine. Then we should discuss about some specialities. I have no problem to add it into Locus, but later
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Can anyone tell me how can I use this function? I checked text to speech option in guiding options, but when I'm guiding along simple track nothing happens.
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sorry Robin99 for late response. It's anyway already in second "how to" topic here https://getsatisfaction.com/locus/top...

I'm marking this topic as completed, but expect that this feature still need improvements. Discussion may of course continue here

Anyway main confirmation that idea is completed may come from Zailor, as topic creator. I hope you like current system, because I think that using TTS is best way. Thanks to it, you know how far you're from track and also under which angle to go, to get back on track.

So to sumarize:
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using is done by "menu > settings > guiding > tracks > notification settings"

and enabled "Notify when too far away from track" and "Text-to-speech"

Future progress:
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I would like to keep this topic to discussion about future improvements

This nice topic https://getsatisfaction.com/locus/top... may be as a "How to page", later maybe moved on doku.wiki site
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Hi,
i do some tests "guiding along a track" ;-))
"Notify when switching to another point" works and i hear the TTS-voice.
If i switch to
"Notify when too far away from track"
i hear no voice if the distance to the track is more than 50 meters.
I ́ve tested it outdoor with gps and indoor moving map by hand.
What can i do?
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hi guys. When you tap in dialog where you define notification on button "Play" and it works, then it should work :). Are you really in bigger distance from track then you defined as minimal for notification. Also count that you have to count orthoginal distance to nearest point on track, not distance visible along guiding line
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Hi Menion, the Play button works in both English and German.
"Notify when switching to another point" works with TTS in both English and German.
"Notify when too far away from track" works with TTS in English but not in German.
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Hi Menion,
"Notify when too far away from track"
i tried it also in german, french and polnish but it only works in english
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Hi Menion, I see in 2.7.3.5 that you started working on this feature as there is now a balloon text displayed in parallel to the spoken instructions (though never requested I think this is a good idea!). This works in English for both notification modes. In German both text and speech still don't appear for "Notify when too far away from track".
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tommi, ignore this .. version you test have one invalid switch inside, so it works as my debug version, not as just testing version (it's just more testing :) )

work on improvements is needed and also planned, but it not yet started
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On saturday morning I planned a bicycle tour (about 80km) with a friend into an area we've never been before.
I created a simple track with Locus based on vector map with cycle routes and let guide me ("switching to another point") using the earphone and the instructions were correct and we had a beautiful and relaxed tour. Only about 5 times I checked in Locus wether I got the instruction right but it was always o.k.
This feature is really wonderful!
However, my earlier requests for improvement stay fully valid.
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Hi !
What am I'm doing wrong ???
I make my own new track, then when I should try this exellent feuture the lady only tell my 730 meters 4 hour then I go to the other side of the track she say for example 840 meters 5 hour . No left or right ;-(
I have a HTC Wildfire 2.2.1 os and it sucks
Please tell me whats wrong because I really think this is a great option !!
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Think of a classical watch lying on the ground in front of you: 12 hour means straight forward, 6 hour means straight backwards, 9 hour turn to the left, 3 hour turn to the right and so on.
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Thanks Tommi !
Now I will continue and simulate in my sofa ,-)
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Hi Hakon,
i think you select
"Notify when too far away from track" so you heare 730 meters 4 hour.

if you want to hear for example "100 meter left" you have to select
"Notify when switching to another point"
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Can this be correct ??
If I want to know when I'm to far away from track I should select:
"Notify when switching to another point"

Anyway I tried "Notify when switching to another point"
But for sure, then I can here the voice when switching waypoint and not when I'm to far away from track.

Ok, I'm sitting in my sofa and simulate, but I still belive this option must work !?
What should I expect the TTL voice telling me? Meters from track and angel how get there ?

Thanks
Hakon
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Ok, I didn,t saw Tommis answer above ;-(
So now I see (hear) ;-)
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- "Notify..." are two different modes.

- I think it's more meters from next point on track and angel to get there.
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Hi everyone in this topic,
after a 250 km tour in the Eifel near Cologne/Germany I'm thrilled with "guiding with your ears", because it works wonderfully.
But, as always, it also depends on your settings. For cycling I experimented with "Set next point" (in "Guiding) and found 80m to be best.
There's just one little thing I'd like to have changed: after having been told to turn right or left, the voice always tells you "straight", which, I think, is obvious and after repetition a little annoying. So if it would be possible to cut that out, "guiding with your ears" would be perfect!
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I think this "straight" comes only once per point, doesn't it?
Did you use a recorded track for guiding or a did you create one by hand?
In the latter case I would only define points if there are turns in the course where you need instructions. Or an example for the other way round: I wouldn't create multiple points for a straight part of the course.
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In guiding the notifications are obviously triggered by the change of angles to the next point, so with a small angle the notification is "bear" (right or left), with medium "turn", with the greatest "sharp", and with around 0 "straight" - and it doesn't matter, in which way the track was created. In any case, "straight" is unnecessary and distracting.
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hi guys,
three things

1. nice that you use this feature and seems it works for you, good :)
2. problem with "Straight" is that exists cases, when you'll need to say this. And if I exclude this, then you should miss important information. So that's why I added this.
3. as you may see, current "definition" is really confusing. To be true, it's confusing even for me :) So I'll for sure do some GUI changes, to make it more obvious what every settings do. Till then, good luck with settings and enjoy your ride ;)
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Hi Menion,
good to hear that you will work on this feature.
But the comments in the last months did not only complain about the GUI so I would appreciate that you take also these comments into account (there were several from my side (not only the one with the a bit artifical though correct gpx).
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I'm glad to announce new BETA version of "Navigation" mode for imported or recorded tracks. If anyone want to check testing version, here is a link http://forum.locusmap.eu/index.php?to...
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HI, I'm a bit confused about the meaning of clock statement in "too far from track" message. I guess it gives an angle, but angle of what against what? Sorry, I didnot find it anywhere in the documentation. Thanks for explaining.
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It's the angle against your bearing direction: e.g 9 hours means left, 6 hours means back.
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Correct Tommi