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Assigning Buttons C18-C26 turns to Pitchbend

Whenever I try to assign a task to one of the C18-C26 Buttons, Ableton assigns the task to the Pitchbend-wheel.

Why is that? How can I assign tasks to the Buttons C18-C26?!
I'm stranded here...

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I'm using Ableton Live 9 Lite with an Oxygen 61.
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  • Hi Lars,

    Thanks for posting!

    How are you "assigning the task?"

    One possibility is that the pitch-bend wheel is sending ghost data and connecting to the Ableton mapping before your button. if you are just mapping in Ableton with the MIDI learn feature, this will accept the first MIDI signal it sees. Do you find that it accepts a MIDI message before you hit a button? You would see something pop up next to the knob or button in the software once it's accepted a mapping.

    I would first try a factory reset:

    Turn off the keyboard. Hold down both octave buttons while powering the keyboard back on. Continue to hold until the keyboard is turned on

    Then test with a MIDI monitor:

    Windows: MIDI-OX

    Open MIDI-OX with all other programs closed. In the Options>MIDI Devices section, select your controller ports from the MIDI Input menu. Click OK.
    Now MIDI-OX will simply list all incoming MIDI messages. This will help confirm if the controller itself is responding properly.


    Mac: MIDI Monitor

    Open MIDI Monitor with all other programs closed. In the "Sources" section, check the boxes for your controller's ports.
    Now MIDI Monitor will list all incoming MIDI Messages. This will help confirm if the controller itself is responding properly.


    Do you see any pitch bend data appear without touching the wheel? If not, try mapping again and see if the reset fixed the problem.

    Let me know how this goes!
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  • Hi Corey,

    thanks for answering!

    Yes, I'm using the MIDI learn feature in Ableton. Though, whenever I hit one of the said buttons, Ableton receives input from the Pitchbend. (I know this, because it tells me the button-code or whatever that is, and it's the same, as when I move the Pitchbend)

    I have tried the factory reset before, which didn't change anything.

    I know tried out the MIDI Monitor, and there it showed different outputs for the individual buttons than for the Pitchbend..
    So that should be working fine.

    But why is Ableton receiving the same data for both kind of buttons/wheel?
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  • This is the data I get from pushing the Button and moving the Pitchbend respectively.
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  • HI Lars,

    The point of the MIDI OX test is to see if the pitch bend wheel is communicating on it's own, without touching it. You would need to spend a few minutes with the MIDI monitor and see if the pitch bend messages show up WITHOUT touching the wheel.

    Also, when manually mapping in Ableton, you'll see your list of mapped knobs up in the top left of the window. Are any of these labeled as "Pitch bend?"



    Let me know!
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  • I’m confused
    Hi Corey,

    Okay, no signal came through from the pitchbend, withouht me touching it.
    I don't think, the problem lies in that.

    In Ableton though, whenever I try to map something to the buttons C18-C26, it sets the Pitchbend up under the category "Note/control" which is obviously not what I intend to do...



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  • Oh I think I see now. Ableton is just reading it as a pitch bend message.

    Pitch bend is a very complicated MIDI message so it uses extra MIDI messages that put it outside of the normal CC range of 127. But the Oxygen also uses an extended range to add more complicated functions to assign to the buttons. In this case CC145 is used to make the button send out a combined bank/program change message, which is why it showed that in your MIDI monitor instead of a pitch bend message. For some reason when you map that command, Ableton reads it as pitch bend.

    All you should need to do is assign this to a normal cc message. You may also just be able to change the preset you are using. To change the CC number for a button:

    - Hit Edit
    - Press the CTRL SEL key
    - Hit the button
    - Press the CTRL ASSGN key
    - Now use the arrow buttons or the numbered keys to set this to a more standard CC, like CC18
    - Press the DATA 2 key and set this to 00
    - Press the DATA 3 key and set this to 127
    - Press the ENTER key to finish

    And that's it! You should repeat the process and set the other buttons to the following CC values (19-26) and you should have no problem mapping them now.

    I hope this helps!
    • I know this is an old thread here but I am having the exact same problem with my wonderful M audio Keystation Pro88. Whenever I try to assign the buttons under the sliders or knobs to a clip launch or a record arm button in ableton live lite 9 the corresponding signal Ableton sees is a pitch bend signal. Did you guys ever figure this out? Also my keyboard controls are quite different apparently from the one on the Keystation 88 I think the Pro model at least has different buttons for this than what you describe here. Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you..

      PEte
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  • I’m thankful
    You are the best!
    Thank you so much, everything is working exactly the way I want now.

    Just one last thing:
    Will I have to reassign those values, after doing a factory reset?
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  • Happy to help!

    Yes, a factory reset will clear all of the presets to their factory defaults, meaning you'll lose any changes you made. So use that carefully.

    I didn't mention earlier, that if you make any changes to a preset, you'll want to make sure to save the preset afterwards:

    - Hit Edit
    - Press the STORE key. Your preset number will flash on the display
    - Hit the ENTER key to store

    Let me know if you have more questions!
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  • Haha!
    yeah, you should have told me that earlier :P
    I now turned the keyboard off without saving and lost the preset.
    But I saved it now, so all is good!

    In fact I do have another question:
    Is there a way, to save the mapped controls in Ableton, so that I don't have to reassign them after restarting the program?
    Is there some sort of preset function in Ableton aswell?
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  • As far as I know, the best way to save your Ableton mapping is to save the project as a template/default and have it recall every time you open Ableton. So basically you would create a blank project, add you tracks, make your mapping assignments, and then assign this blank project to open each time you open Ableton. If you go into your Preferences and to the File/Folder tab you'll see an option to "Save Current Set as Default." Just turn this on. Now it'll recall this project and mapping every time you open a new Ableton session.

    Keep in mind, the Oxygen also has a directlink feature that will automatically map the parameters in directlink mode. Check out this guide for more info on setting that up:

    Oxygen - Setup in Ableton

    It's pretty much the basics like fader volume and mute/solo. You can then turn directlink mode on and off with the "Auto" or "Map" button so you can also use your own MIDI mapping while it's off.

    I hope this helps!
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  • Hello Corey,
    I just received my M-Audio Oxygen 61 Mk4 and I experience the same issue here.
    I followed the steps you described on 11th feb, but this does not really work:
    When assigning C18 with data 2 (0) and 3 (127), it turns the track off one time and this is it. Pressing C18 again does not turn it on again.

    I might miss one step ...maybe when you write:
    " Now use the arrow buttons or the numbered keys to set this to a more standard CC, like CC18 "... the only value I can set is 18, right (no CC18)....

    Can you please confirm the walk-thru how to fix this really annoying issue.
    Thanks,
    Fabien

    EDIT: I forgot to mention I'm working with Ableton Live 7...maybe it has an impact ?
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  • Using the Oxygen 49 V3 and I'm having the same problem, use Windows 10 and Ableton ..
    And I'm not getting fix the bug
    Someone can help me?
    (I can't use the buttons in Preset 01 of Oxygen)
    In Preset 02 and others work
    How i do reset the Preset 01?
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  • Same problem here with MFC10 midi foot controller and Ableton Live 9.. Midi Monitor tells me that CC values which pedal sends are ok, but Ableton reads all of them as pitch bend. This is soo frustrating.. Please help if you've figured it out.
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