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Blue 2 preset resetting on pressing Zone

I'm using a Code 49 in Live 9 with plugin Blue 2. When I have the Blue 2 track armed, pressing the Code 49's Zone button causes the Blue 2 preset to go to the first preset in that bank. My workaround is if I disarm the Blue channel, the preset does not get changed. How can I fix it? Thanks.
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  • Sort of curious why you'd be using Zones when using a host, but...

    See page 34 of the manual:

    "Zone Bank Change: Zone Bank Change messages are sent on the channel(s) of active zones, thus accessing additional banks of instrument sound presets (if available) for each zone. Each bank change consists of an LSB number (Least Signficant Byte) and an MSB number (Most Significant Byte). These bank change messages are stored in each preset, ensuring that each zone selects the correct instrument whenever you load a preset."

    So pressing a Zone button is likely sending a bank change message. I don't see in the manual how you prevent this from happening. Hoping Nick from M-Audio jumps in here.

    I know in other Rob Papen products, like Predator (which I own), you can tell the plugin to ignore program and bank change messages, so that's an option, too.

    Hope this helps.
    -John
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  • Hey Daniel,

    Thanks for posting!

    jchop is correct here - pressing a Zone button will always send this type of message. There is no way to deactivate this - pressing a Zone button will always send that type of message.

    As mentioned, you may be able to filter out these messages depending on the software you are using.

    I hope this helps!

    Thanks John for your assistance!
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  • Thanks both of you guys for clarifying. Even though it's not what I wanted to hear at least I know. Not a big deal. Sometimes I like to jam with 2 or 3 synths on the keys at a time, so for now I'll just leave Blue 2 out of those sessions. I tried resetting midi and editing the ECS but no luck. I don't run synths outside of Live, so I'm wondering like what other scenario would you use the zones without a host? Or, does Live have a zoning function built in? Thanks.
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  • Hey Daniel. Get into Ableton instrument racks. You can drop one or more synths into them and set key ranges for each. You can also use the "chain selector" feature to toggle certain sounds on or off based on a range of MIDI CC values, which you tie to a clip (using automation) or control directly via a knob on your Code.

    If you prefer to run synths on different tracks, you can do that, too, but putting those synths inside instrument racks opens up possibilities you don't otherwise have when dropping a synth directly onto a track.

    In short, no, you really don't need zones if Ableton is hosting everything.

    Hope that helps!
    John
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  • Oh, and to address your other question, I'd use zones if my host didn't support them (which would be a pretty poor host), or if I needed to control multiple hardware synths, or a multitimbral synth where (for whatever reason) zoning wasn't possible or I preferred the Code's features over the synth's built-in setup/combi/multi/performance mode.

    Nice to have the option, but if you're primarily running software, you can sort of treat the keyboard as a single zone, single MIDI channel unit and let the host do the rest.

    Don't give up on Blue2 either! It's a cool synth. It should be able to ignore incoming bank change messages.
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