Help get this topic noticed by sharing it on Twitter, Facebook, or email.

Dual Delta 1010LT WIndows 7

For the past four or five years I've been using dual Delta 1010LT cards in an WinXP SP3 computer with no issues. I decided to upgrade to Windows 7.1 so I can have more memory (3.2 GB is available out of the 4GB installed) available - I'd upgrade to 12 GB.

It seems that running dual Delta 1010LT cards is hit or miss under Win 7.1. Is anyone doing it and can advise how it's done?

Under WinXP I was sent a special XP driver for dual cards by tech support.
2 people have
this question
+1
Reply
  • Hi Anthony,

    Thanks for posting.

    You'll want to start by making sure that you have the correct driver installed for Windows 7:

    Delta 1010 - Windows 7 Driver

    This should cover both Delta units. The only other thing you should have to worry about is connecting both with a S/PDIF cable and setting one as the master clock.

    If you can, describe the problem in more detail and we can look into it a little further.
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • Corey,

    I have not yet installed Windows 7. I'm still running Windows XP SP3.

    I had issues getting BOTH Delta 1010LT cards working at the same time under WinXP and M-Audio (Avid) sent me a special XP driver to get both cards working at the same time. Before I install Windows 7 I am trying to make sure that Windows 7 will see BOTH Delta 1010LT cards at the same time. I use 8 inputs that are hardwired to the drum kit in the studio, the other card is also hardwired to other studio inputs. Changing audio cards is not an option. What I have read is that using dual Delta 1010LT cards under Win7 is spotty and does not always work.

    It would be a MAJOR pain to upgrade to Win7 (requires a complete wipe of the OS hard drive), re-install all apps, and then find out that only one Delta 1010LT card works - I'd then have to roll back to Windows XP. And I would have wasted the money spent of Win7 and an 8 GB ram upgrade.

    Has M-Audio tested the Win7 driver with DUAL Delta 1010LT cards and verified that both cards will work at the same time?

    Thanks!
    • As I mentioned before the latest driver available will support the use of multiple cards, though they will need to be synced via S/PDIF cable and one set as a master. The driver control panel will allow you to switch between mixer views for either Delta.

      It's important to keep in mind this is a legacy product and there will be no further updates and support is limited. It's true some customers have had varied success with this from one system to the next, but it seems to be related to setup and usage of the product, as well as the system hardware.

      I'd recommend to see the other thread where this situation is discussed and proceed with caution if you are still unsure:

      http://community.m-audio.com/m-audio/...
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • Hi! I have three cards of the Delta 1010 and had also worked on Windows XP. There were no problems. When I switched to Windows 7 there were problems. The problem in the drivers. Driver not correctly determine the sequence of the cards installed in the system. But it is not important. When working in a DAW has problems. When playing or recording with a MIDI keyboard in your DAW simultaneously with the playback of previously recorded MIDI tracks, there are delays. It is very uncomfortable. It's only when playing through an external sound module. When playing or recording tracks with VST instruments it does not. I was asking questions here, the answer has not received. Maybe you will be fine. Here are my questions: http://community.m-audio.com/m-audio/...
    http://community.m-audio.com/m-audio/...
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • I have an external rack full of MIDI sound modules - I use my Alesis QSR a lot and I have 6 E-MU modules.

    This does concern me. Thanks for the info.
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • Any update? I don't understand why I would need to cable the cards together with a S/PDIF cable under Windows 7 but no cable is needed under Windows XP.
    • Hi, a bit late, but I believe something is different between the way the two OSs work.
      XP allowed for a tool called "kernel Synching" whereby two (or more) cards could be synchronised to one clock source via the system somehow. This allowed cards such as the Delta-44 which has no digital connections, to be synched in a multi-Delta-card setup.

      Windows Vista/7/8/10 etc doesn't support this feature, so the only way to actually synchronise the two clocks together and stop them drifting apart or causing strange crackles is to actually tether them together digitally via the S/PDIF. One being the Master the other being the Slave.
      For those folks who had a Delta-44, they don't have the liberty to synch digitally, so are stuffed.

      But yeah, these are legacy devices, Avid did the driver development and M-Audio is nothing to do with Avid any longer. There seems to be no intention to release the source code so that someone may modify a driver to perhaps enable things.

      It sucks, but technology moves on and at some point, you need to overhaul and replace all the old stuff too. Be a bit like upgrading a car, new shocks, engine, ECU etc, and still keeping that old gear box. Even though there is nothing broken with the gear box, and to all intense purposes it functions just fine, you've now changed so much other stuff that it is the odd thing out and is causing trouble.

      I guess you could try and keep a dedicated XP machine for the Delta cards, streamline and tweak Windows to it's absolute leanest and meanest audio performing way. Keep the thing offline so that it doesn't get riddled with all manor of filth and see how that goes. It's a bummer to be limited by RAM, but hey, this is progress.
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • I needed to connect the 1010LT #1 S/P Out to 1010LT #2 S/P In in order to eliminate crackles and pops. In the Delta Control Panel I set 1010LT #1 to "Internal" and 1010LT #2 to S/PDIF. They "Locked" and I'm making music.

    I needed to do this on my XP box and also on my Win7 box.
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • Jeez, I swear I had to tether the cards together via S/PDIF in Master/Slave fashion on my old XP box, but my memory may be slipping. I know for a fact it must be done on my new Windows 7 machine, and I've eliminated 99% of the pops by doing so and setting the audio control panel appropriately. I'm not sure why the odd crackle sneaks in, as I've done all the tweaks I know of an have read about and now have and I7 machine with 16 GB of RAM and two SSD's. I monitor through my mixing board so I don't care that my latency is 10-20 mSec. The DPC Latency Checker gives me green lights for hours on end.

    I rarely need 16 Ins, but it would be nice to know they are there. Oh, well.
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • I’m thankful
    Silly me - reviving a 4 year old topic!

    Now running Win 10 on a Lenovo IdeaCentre k450 - I am looking to achieve minimum 7 stereo inputs (14 total signal inputs) from analog source to digital. I found the Delta 1010LT and the price for used equipment vs. the new stuff out there today is quite attractive.

    I would need two 1010LTs to achieve my goals, but I'm now wondering if even one would work in the modern PC/OS environment I would supply as home to a single (let alone 2) "new" PCI card(s).

    Any thoughts? Anyone out there still using two (or even one) Delta 1010LTs in a more modern PC running Win 10?

    Thanks!
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • I used Two 1010LT's tethered together for years, but finally upgraded. If anyone would like my two cards, the digital cable that links them, and four snakes for input/output on both, give a holler. I'm practically giving them away on craigslist in Madison, WI.
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated

  • So just installed and started playing with the delta 1010lt on 2 separate Win XP SP 2 machines.

    On any of the different audio card’s outputs attached to a speaker, I can hear every little move the computer makes (e.g. the hard drive crunching away—speaker crunches with it, move the mouse and little bit—speaker makes a zip noise, open the M-Audio control panel—constant rapid clicking out of the speaker, minimize the M-Audio control panel window—-clicking slows down but still audible — but always still hear HD crunch and mouse movement zips).

    Also, I installed JACK connection kit. When jackd starts up, then a consistent whine comes out of the speaker—it doesn’t stop until I shut down jackd.

    I tried only one card at a time in each machine.

    Any ideas here? Does the same on all cards I have.
    • Update: I moved my whole setup upstairs and now the noise is virtually gone. Well completely gone when JACK connection kit is turned off. It gets a tiny bit worse when I route all channels to one channel (I now have three cards for 30 in and 30 out).

      I’m happy at least because it was super loud and super obvious with the set up downstairs last night.

      I read a lot about ground loop problems and location of one device next to another, etc.

      Any tips about experience with these cards and interference from electronics, cables, power outlets, etc.? Some kind of electrical interference was clearly the problem here. What are best practices to eliminate this electrical interference with these cards?

      Thanks!
  • (some HTML allowed)
    How does this make you feel?
    Add Image
    I'm

    e.g. indifferent, undecided, unconcerned happy, confident, thankful, excited kidding, amused, unsure, silly sad, anxious, confused, frustrated