I’m Pissed

Have the win 7 drivers been fixed to support synching two delta cards?

Was told for years that the problem wasn't a problem, then told they are working on fixing it.

I need to synch a Delta 1010 and a 44 like I do in XP, but would like to upgrade to win 7 now that XP is extinct.
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  • Hello Johnny,

    Thanks for posting!

    Although the latest Windows 7 drivers for the Delta 1010/44 do not officially support multi-card setups, some users are running well with those drivers. There's a good thread from the M-Audio "Legacy" Forums (under Avid ownership) where the moderator details a lot of the important variables when configuring this on a Windows 7 system:

    http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread....

    In summary, the compatibility seems to be more related to the computer hardware, PCI bandwidth, some deeper system optimization, and perhaps some other undiscovered variables; things which lead it being something that isn't officially supported. I understand that only leaves you with the option of simply upgrading and seeing if it works, which is not ideal.

    That all being said, M-Audio has not announced any updates for the Delta series at this time. Generally, there will not be any development details or status announced for unreleased products or updates.

    Let me know if you have any questions and thanks for your consideration!
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  • I'll throw my tuppence worth in...

    Whilst I can't comment too much on multi-card setup (I haven't had the luxury of trying), I can say that if you are on the 'net you should not be using XP any more, and should have moved to Windows 7.

    That said, what you may want to do is to dual boot the system. Having XP setup in a streamlined install (see n-light) to keep the size down, and install only the things necessary for the audio work. Disable the network adaptor completely. So obviously the DAW, the relative drivers and whatnots, and then the multi Delta cards should be happy, and you shouldn't have any real fear of security flaws.

    Under Windows 7 boot, you'd function as best you can with the Delta card/s, but at least your main browsing and day to day computing needs would all be more secure under a supported OS.

    For what it's worth I dual booted Windows 7 for a while whilst I still had the majority of my system setup on XP. I got a bit more used to 7, and then finally installed it proper.

    I suppose, you could if you had the system power and resources, run WinXP in a virtual machine which would allow multiple cards to potentially work. But it might throw up all sorts of challenges in actually getting the guest OS to talk to the real hardware.

    Kind regards, and best of luck
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  • I’m frustrated
    Thanks for the responses. :-)

    But the thread that you mentioned has very little technical information about the problem other than one or more people seem to get it to work by chance.

    I don't let this machine loose on the internet. I download everything through a 64bit Win 7 machine and scan it and dump it to a NAS unit then pull it through my lan to the studio computer, so there is no problem there.

    A truly good customer support option would be to ship me a Delta 66 or Delta 1010 with a cable to synch with in exchange for a device that is rendered useless unless I use an obsolete OS to run it!! ;-)
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  • Curious question, how do you sync the Delta 1010 and 44 at the moment? The 44 has no S/PDIF so you can't sync the clock. I guess the older driver earlier than v5069 may allow for some kind of kernel sync but it's not going to be the same as using a word clock or word clock over S/PDIF.

    You can of course use any sound devices you like all at once, but with conditions. ASIO4ALL is a rather neat little 'hack' which allows you to use one KernelStream/ASIO driver and combine multiple device I/Os together.

    The main problem with using ASIO4ALL is again, a total lack of clock sync, so the devices can drift out of sync over time. The other issue being that you'll likely have to jack up the buffer size (and therefore latency) to stop crackles and pops.

    I've used ASIO4ALL to combine: Delta AP2496 + Onboard SoundMax + HP Headphone/Mic. It all worked just fine.

    So, if you wanted to give it a try, you could run Win7 and ASIO4ALL to solve your multicard needs, with the above issues to be considered.
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  • The XP drivers had a check box to enable internal synch between the cards. Nice, neat no problems. They took that away with the Win 7 drivers.
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  • Ah of course. Come to think of it, I do now remember reading that the Delta 44 was one of the cards used in referencing 'Kernel Sync'.

    This SOS article is quite interesting reading if you want to have a little peruse.
    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb06...
    That's where I read about the above.

    I get the suspicion that the multi-card internal Kernel Sync was something that could be done with Win 2k/XP, but has been dropped in Vista and above - hence the M-Audio/Avid built drivers not supporting the function.
    If the OS doesn't facilitate it, building a driver to do it, just ain't gonna happen!

    I would give ASIO4ALL a go, and see how you get on in Win 7 with it. If it's really diabolical and unworkable, then you'll have to bit the bullet and go with a dual boot with XP (even a different physical hard drive with XP on it).
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  • I’m carefully
    I wanna go "tripple" with WinXP32bit without Apic (16 IRQ only System)
    the System has:
    a win98se & XP dual Boot
    and one Delta 44 with Omni IO, Pentium 4 3,06GHz on
    a Supermicro Board with Rambus Memory
    and 64bit PCI slots for an Intel SCSI Raid 5
    working fine for more than 10 Years now

    now i purchased a Delta 410 and a Audiophile 192 for little Money and want to put them into my old MAudio System running XP and VST32 5.1

    what i can tell that i use a 4.xx Delta driver with both VFW and WDM functionalities

    under Cubase iam planning to use the Delta 410 to make an 8 times analog Effect chain Loop for the Skale Trakker VSTi
    and the AP192 Monitor OUT to feed my powerfull active Farfield Monitors
    the Delta44&Omni IO hardwired to my Yamaha Motif and an Roland D50 controlled by the Midi IO from the AP192

    the only thing i can find/read that i can get into trouble
    can anyone tell me what should i DO? i want to avoid any problems!
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