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Is it possible to change a Patch on the Triggerfinger Pro (rather than on a computer)

Hi there,

I'm looking to use the Trigger finger to play live. I've made a setlist on Arsenal but want to change the patches from the set list on my actual Trigger finger to minimise the use on my laptop. Is this possible!

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  • Hello Joseph,

    Thanks for posting!

    The Arsenal software is capable of learning some functions regarding the encoders, faders, and buttons. However, changing patches is not a parameter that can be learned.

    Please let me know if you have any questions!
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  • Thanks Nick for your response. I have a couple of other questions.

    I'm using Trigger Finger as well as Mainstage (with a midi keyboard set up) but every time I play the TF, it plays both the samples coming out of Arsenal as well as midi from M.S. Is there a way of seperating the 2 midi channels (i.e. One coming from mainstage and the other through Arsenal?)

    Secondly, I have my in-ear monitors going through a separate output (5&6) from the speakers (1&2). I've patched my clicks and b.track to come only to my in-ears but I can't seem to have the T.F play out of both the main speakers and my in ears. Can you recomend a way of doing this so It can be monitored through both?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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  • Hey Joseph,

    You can change both the global MIDI channel and the individual pad MIDI channels on the TFP itself.

    Change the Global channel from Performance Mode (you are in Performance Mode when the PAD, CTRL, and SEQ buttons are not illuminated). Push the button under the display for PREFS and use the top left encoder to edit MIDI-CH field.

    To change the channel that the pads are sending, push the PAD button so it is illuminated. Press the button for EDIT PADS then MORE and you will be able to edit MIDI channels per pad in the subsequent menu. Strike the pad you want to edit before making your changes.

    As far as working with MainStage's MIDI channels, I think this article by Apple will help you:


    MainStage: Set keyboard input for a software instrument channel strip


    If you are running Arsenal as standalone software, you can change the audio routing options by clicking the gear icon at the top left of the window and selecting I/O Settings in the subsequent menu. If everything is running through MainStage, your audio routing will be determined by the MainStage software. While it does not look like you can route multiple outputs at once, there does seem to be a workaround by setting up an aggregate audio device in Audio MIDI Setup.

    I think this thread and article can help you:

    MainStage - Audio Output Routing

    How to combine multiple audio interfaces by creating an aggregate device

    I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.
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  • Thanks very much I'm having some more issues with TFP - I'm using it in MainStage 3 and The volume faders on TFP keep riding up and down. When I manually lower the volume of the TFP on MainStage It rides back up randomly on TF. I'm about to go on tour so really need to sort this out asap. I'd be very appreciative if you can help out.

    Thanks,
    Joseph
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  • Hey Joseph,

    If the levels are moving without your input, it is possible that the TFP is sending MIDI data on its own. Let's test the TFP to make sure it is not sending MIDI data without your input. We can use MIDI monitoring software for this purpose.

    For testing on PC:
    MIDI-OX

    This video will get you set up quickly for Input Monitoring in MIDI-OX:
    Monitoring MIDI Input with MIDI-OX

    For testing on Mac:
    snoize: MIDI Monitor

    Configure the TFP like you would normally when you are preparing your set. Add the TFP as a MIDI input device and leave it alone for a bit. Keep an eye on the monitor window and verify that the controller is not sending data without your input.

    Let me know what you find!
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  • Thanks Nick, Will try this and I'll hopefully get closer to finding out the issue! Can you please advise how to set the TFP faders so they respond to different parameters in Main Stage?
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  • Hi Nick,

    I called up Apple to try and see if it was an issue with Main-stage but it actually seems to be the issue with the TFP. I downloaded the Midi Monitor but not entirely sure what to look for as there are quite a few messages (please see attached images). Its strange that its picking up information from Arsenal because I don't actually use Arsenal to control TFP with MainStage.

    As a back up option, I can try to use TFP outside of MainStage however it is still being picked up and controlling some parameters in MainStage. If you can please help I'd be extremely grateful.
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  • The TFP can send MIDI CC, Mackie, or HUI control protocol to your computer. Actual usage of these parameters will be dependent on how MainStage responds to these command messages. For example, if MainStage can accept Mackie control, you can set the faders to send Mackie protocol and it will control the Mackie parameters in MainStage.

    I can see from your screen capture that the TFP is sending SysEx data. If you are sending MIDI data, it should be showing Note On/Note Off under Message in the MIDI monitor. How were you inputting data with the TFP when you tested this?

    Also, going back to my question - does the TFP send any data without your input? I would like to know this because it will help us determine whether there is a hardware issue with your controller.

    Let me know!
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