another choice between #2 and #3

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it would be nice to have a level choice which tells the computer to leave you at the same level for now, but not go backwards.

Now that I better understand how the programme works and how *I* learn, there are times when I just have a glitch for the day. I don't want to click #3, because I know it will advance my days before the next recitation; but I don't want to click #2 because I know it will start me all over again back to every day.

Any thoughts?

Thanks! :)
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This is a very good point. I'm actually thinking about making option #3 (difficult) reduce the interval slightly. I'm reading a little more about the theory as to why the algorithm is like it is ... but I agree, it seems very painful to reset it sometimes :) Although I will add that the times that I've reset it, I do whizz through it again and it seems to stick very well, whereas when I give myself a bit of a free pass then I just bomb out the next time round.
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I'm finding it's teaching me to be patient and I'm learning God's word much more deeply by redoing it. There is the odd time I say no, I do know this one it was just today but mostly I know that the more often I go over it the more it will be secure in my heart.

I am learning so much about how it all works and what works for me. I almost never hit anything but "3" any more because i want to advance as slowly as possible so that when it finally does hide the verse I'm less likely to have trouble without the hints on the very first go! :) So I don't think i'd like the idea of 3 making things go backwards.... cuz I don't want to move ahead any faster than I already am. Mind you, it would just mean moving ahead faster for a bit and then reducing my interval for a bit if necessary every once in a while.... that would actually be less painful than starting all over again! :)
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I really like this idea, too. :-D
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I think you are right Andy. About both things: reducing the interval slightly, and resetting but then it sticks. But then Mrs. Tanks is right in her reply: That makes a lot of sense too.

I guess this comment didn't help anything, but I think the proposed idea should be revisited. . .
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I've thought a lot about this too and searched all through the questions until I found this topic - I know the algorithm is supposed to be a good one & I don't want to dispute it, but I wish there was a button (or number between 2 & 3) that would simply leave everything as it is. Sometimes I get the verse, but it's vague & I wish I wouldn't have to change the interval either way.

Also in my mind, I wish there would be a "2" or similar option that would shorten the daily interval (perhaps in half) but not put it all the way back to where I will see the verse again tomorrow.

Thanks for your consideration!
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Here's an idea. 1 and 2 don't do anything different, so you could change 2 to going slightly backwards.
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I've often wondered if it would be possible to do have a rating that keeps the interval where it is. I'm glad some others think the same! But actually, now that I read the discussion, I think I like Bible Girl's idea best.
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I've often wondered if it would be possible to do have a rating that keeps the interval where it is. I'm glad some others think the same! But actually, now that I read the discussion, I think I like Bible Girl's idea best.
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Andy/Alex, where is this topic sitting in the 'under consideration' status? I'm wondering if it has moved forward or if it has already been modified somewhat since it was first suggested four years ago. Since it still appears on the "Under Consideration" category on the main page, I would assume it hasn't changed yet. If this is the case, any idea when it might? Thanks.
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And is 1 and 2 really exactly the same? I was thinking that they affect the interval the same, but treat the eFactor different. But I guess that was just a guess.
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Can someone point me to where I can find a lot more specific details on what actually happens when I select a 1, or a 2, or a 3, or a 4, or a 5 on my self-scoring?
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There is no update on this and it is unlikely it will be implemented.

Nateowami is correct — the only difference between 1 and 2 is the eFactor change.

A.K., please see here. As you think about expanding the FAQ's (something you mentioned as a backburner project idea), this might be one of those things.
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Thanks, Alex, for the update on the 'no update' :) . Thanks, also for the link. The article was interesting as a good starter. Now where can I go to get a little more "meat" on the matter? For example,

Does selecting a "1" always move it to the next day (increment of '1') regardless of the number of sessions a person may have had with that verse? Or will selecting a "1" too many times eventually result in a jump of more than 1 day (similar to your illustration of selecting "3" in the linked article)?

Does selecting a "2" always move it to the next day (also an increment of '1') regardless of the number of sessions you may have had with that verse (based on your confirmation of what Nateowami wrote)? Is there any different between a "2" or a "1" on multiple selections over a long period of time?

Based on your linked article, does selecting a "3" always move it by 4 days the first time selected, and then by 2 days thereafter for a while, and then by 3, and then by 4 and then by 5, etc., as your linked article illustrated?

What does selecting a "4" every time end up doing? And over the longer term?

You've answered in that link what selecting a "5" every time does. Thanks!

Lastly, are these algorithms complicated programming formulas that are hard for you to interpret or adjust?

Hope you don't mind addressing my questions.
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And, yes, this would certainly be part of an expanded FAQ and Help section (sometime I still desire to work on but probably not until next summer). However, I am formulating my ideas and may start working on a WORD document in the meantime (or I may/will forget them :) to put down my ideas, along the lines of the website example to sent to me a while ago. I liked the simplicity and clearness of its presentation.
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There is no difference between 1 and 2 except for eFactor. They will always be reviewed the following day.
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Sorry, Alex, but I know that. However, this still doesn't address my more specific detailed questions above.
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1. Does selecting a "1" always move it to the next day (increment of '1') regardless of the number of sessions a person may have had with that verse? Or will selecting a "1" too many times eventually result in a jump of more than 1 day (similar to your illustration of selecting "3" in the linked article)? Always moves to next day.

2. Does selecting a "2" always move it to the next day (also an increment of '1') regardless of the number of sessions you may have had with that verse (based on your confirmation of what Nateowami wrote)? Is there any different between a "2" or a "1" on multiple selections over a long period of time? Always next day, same as 1.

[skipping 3 and 4 for the moment]

5. Lastly, are these algorithms complicated programming formulas that are hard for you to interpret or adjust? Somewhat, yes. I don't remember what happens in each case.

I can respond to 3 and 4 if it's important to you, but not till this evening.
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Thanks, Alex. Yes, it is important. I will look forward to getting the last two answers when you can. Thanks.
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If you rated it 1 or 2, the interval is 1. If you remembered it (rated it 3+) this time, but not last time, the interval is 4. Otherwise it's the current interval times the eFactor.
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OK, I had forgotten how this works:

1. Selecting a 4 every time increases the interval like this: 1, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, etc.

2. Selecting a 5 every time increases the interval like this: 1, 4, 9, 22, 55, 138, etc.

If I am looking at this correctly.
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Thanks, Alex. The #5 doesn't quite match what was indicated previously (or that I read somewhere else on the Memverse site, but I will now explore/experiment over the next few months to see what I experience. I also appreciate the info shared above by others. Will take it all into consideration.

Lastly, Alex, if you were able to send to me separately a copy of the actual scripting transcript that runs all of this, that would be awesome. I have been (and will continue to do so) reading up on the SuperMemo Algorithm and that would help. But if you can't, no problem. I will do my best otherwise. I'm trying to see if there might be some way to accommodate the original requests above (and below) without changing things from the 5 options we currently have . . . just perhaps the behavior of #2.

The challenging thing is the effect of the eFactor on the above scenarios that you gave for #4 and #5 (and the other numbers previously). But it may be / will be a few months before I come back on anything suggestive or corrective (if you don't mind me doing this exploring/investigating). Thanks!
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It would be nice if selecting 2 made it review that verse every other day instead of every day.