Why is Microsoft truely better than Apple?

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Why is Microsoft truly better than Apple? Smart answers here please, folks, none of the "BECAUSE IT IS, LOL!". What makes Microsoft the company it is today and what makes Apple so "bad" and Microsoft so "good"? All the answers I've ever heard on the internet were Apple and Microsoft fan boys screaming in all caps trying to win by volume rather than reason.

What's your take?
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Two very different companies. Not sure how you can compare them. you can compare windows to OSX but not company to company. Apple has been a hardware company for years, Microsoft has been mostly software for years. The only hardware area they compete in is Zune vers Ipod and I think we know how that is going.

The moble phone market, again Micrsoft makes software and Apple makes the hardware. Apple does a great job with its brand and products. Microsoft does a good job with corporate america.

Not exactly apples and oranges but different companies with different approaches.
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Probably one of the most intelligent analysis's on this entire page top to bottom.
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Even though I might be ignored considering the fact I was born in '97, I've just grown up using Microsoft products. I also question which one would be better for me, but I believe its/it's(still can't figure that word out) a matter of what you're more comfortable with. As "just a kid", I feel I can relate to "Old Skool" kind of things. Apple is a great developer, don't get me wrong, its/it's(still with the word thing) just hard for me to use and adapt to an OS system. In my eyes, I think Microsoft is more user-friendly.

So that's why I think Microsoft is truly better.
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Windows is million times better because apple devices suck and you can't download cool stuff on apple. With Windows you can download any game, cheat engine and lots of cool stuff. Also apple doesn't have big memory unit so I'm going with windows. (I'm talkin about the devices not the pc) but still windows pcs are better than apples.
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agree with Tim, even though i am a Apple fan-boy.
fair enough, different companies, serving their products to different markets.
Theres little overlap there at the desktops, but the type of people using Microsoft and Apple products just differ.

There is no 'better' company.
Just make a choice based on which company has the software you like most ;)
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Just throwing some operating system stuff out there:

The main reason Windows has such high market share in the desktop realm is that Microsoft is very nice to developers. By this I mean they have lots of SDKs, give developers licenses for software, and even encourage hobbyists to develop (Visual Studio Express). They guarantee (in a sense) that third party software will remain operable for a decade at least, because they keep new versions backwards-compatible with the old.

This is in fact one of the reasons Windows is kinda bloated and buggy. There are lots of examples of Microsoft adding software specific checks to new versions of runtimes, APIs, etc to make sure popular programs still run. For example, an old version of SimCity referenced a memory address outside what it had allocated. Windows had a check for this version of SimCity and let the game use that unallocated memory even though it was a SimCity bug and a fluke that it worked on the old version of Windows.

Other examples are how Microsoft has written libraries that emulate the implementation of their old libraries. Particularly some old applications were written using undocumented (non-API) library structures. When these libraries were updated, Microsoft went through third-party software to see if it needed undocumented parts from the old API to function, and added compatibility layers as necessary.

Apple is generally not as good with developers. Just look at the iPhone, it was out for a year before the SDK was released. That being said, there is also the popularity breeds popularity thing. Windows holds the market share, developers can reach a large audience on Windows, there are lots of other developers and resources for developing on Windows, etc, etc. This works against Apple. Mac has a smaller market share. Fewer people develop on Mac. Apple steps in and writes their own software suites (iLife, Final Cut, etc.). Basics are covered, developers have fewer "general audience" targets to hit. Less development means less development communities, resources (yes, I know most of Apple's development stuff is stolen from BSD and open-source, large communities but generally Mac-non-enthusiasts; besides, graphics is Apple custom).

Another success orgy: iPhone. The iPhone was such a hit that despite Apple's glacial SDK release, they have tons of development going on. Everyone wants an iPhone*, everyone wants to hit mobile-computing consumers, everyone wants to develop.

Disclaimers: lots of opinion up there, so should you disagree, shout it out and we'll discus.
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Because Microsoft is more open than Apple for Developers and Customers.
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Jet Li

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I think that too
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Reemi

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Because Microsoft actually gives you a choice on how you want your desktop to look and feel. And there's more and better software and third-parties for Windows-PC's than for Apple's PPC's
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apple is better at curating trustworthy (virus Free) GOOD QUALITY applications and guess what I have had a mac for about 4 years and have had one screen freeze and thats the closest to a crash i have ever had unlike my windows computer (about the same price as the mac) and every time you tun on the internet you think its going to blow up even with all the norton anti virus bull that windows has to put up with and dont even tell me osX get viruses because i have never had a problem with my mac whatsoever unlike my pc which gets about 10 literally viruses a week and with the developers it so true but you have to be a complete computer weenie to figure anything out in the first place (and get even MORE viruses) and if you really must play console quality games pay a ton of money on a souped up windows computer.i think the only reason windows still has fans is because they feel bad for them although i will say surface is a step in the right direction but will never be able to compete with ipad (my moneys on nexus 7) and once again open source(windows)=viruses apple = quality controle
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Colten, I really hope you don't believe what you're typing I can already sense youre ignorance.

-The screen freeze argument is one sided, plenty of windows users will claim the exact same as you have but in most situations they're lying. (just like you!)

-I'm just going to take you're own words:
"unlike my pc which gets about 10 literally viruses a week"

Not only is that an incorrect sentence... but it does not reflect to quality of the computer but the quality of the user.

Just because you can't be trusted with a steak knife, doesn't meen it's the knives fault when you poke yourself in the eye.

-Again,
"the only reason windows still has fans is because they feel bad for them"

As though you're first run on sentence didn't solidify you're stupidity enough, you had to add to it.

-Then you sort of made a childs brain level of comparison.

"open source(windows)=viruses apple = quality control"

So basically,
Freedom (Democracy) = requires responsibility
Communism = All decisions made for you

You make a very good point, just not in the way of helping you're own argument, just the opposite.
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-This is pretty commical though,

"every time you turn on the Internet you think it's going to blow up even with all the norton anti virus bull that windows has"

I'm sorry but there are so many things wrong with this statement and the way it is written that they're is no point in me actually debating it.

I think this statement just about sums up what I hate about Fanboyism, no one should be that stupid and allowed to talk.
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I very much so enjoyed your rebuttal. Your use of quoting the other party really built your credability (Ethos). Nice job!
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Adrian Pierce

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I enjoyed youre use sarcasm(arrogance). Nice job!
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Jet Li

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Also Apple PC suck compered to Windows because Windows has better controls for advanced users
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Why does one have to be "good" and one "bad?" True, Apple is pretty closed but that also allows them to control the entire user experience end-to-end. Microsoft, as an example, doesn't make the computers their software runs on, and relies on those third parties to write drivers to interface to the operating system. Some are better at it than others (not that all APIs are perfect, either). ;) But because of the more open model, it's easier (in my personal opinion) to develop software on the Windows platform, and as a result there are more programs available on Windows than on Mac.
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The reason I prefer MS is because I don't like Apple. It's marketing campaigns such as the "mac vs pc" ones spread a lot of FUD, lies and general crap about Windows. A company who lies about its competitors isn't very good...A CEO who includes a specific timeslot in every WWDC just for trashing it's competitor is not very secure...And last of all, a user base of people who switched cuz they just aren't bright enough to use Windows (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tq7yy...) cannot be a very smart user base.

Not convinced? Bonus reason: apple fanboys are 10 times more annoying than windows fanboys =) lol
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Hmm....why did we switch again? Because I got tired of supporting a crappy OS at home that I work with all day.
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Hmm....why did we switch again? Because I got tired of supporting a crappy OS at home that I work with all day.
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Hey! same reason I switched. But I am bright enough to use Windows. I fix many of my friends Windows computers for them. I am confident on Windows. But I hate it. Do you want to do this? Every frigging time!!! And its sow slow.... I'd like to see you browse and download files from the internet without anti-virus. It would be funny. Not that that is Microsoft's fault, but it comes along with it.
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Implying that people who use a MAC are stupid only shows your own ignorance. But beyond this, why should a user have to be smart? Why can't a computer with more math, science, and logic skills than most humans (probably me included) be good enough to do what I cannot? why do I have to be a computer techie to keep a computer running? can't I just hit the power button, log in and not have to sift through computer code every once in a while to find a bug? I am not saying that 7 requires this and the Mac doesn't, I am retorting to your assumption that MAC users are stupid. So I will restate my question, why do COMPUTER users have to be smarter than the computers they are using?
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I don't have an antivirus on my computer. It runs fine. I play games on it. (Steam on Mac is still very buggy btw. my friends macbook struggles to play css) Im more about dispelling the myths that the windows os's are junk. Sorry I can run any program I want on my pc.
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Microsoft is not "truely better than Apple." Microsoft has a larger market share, doesn't require people to buy ridiculously expensive products to use its OS and has a more open ended product, as well as a much more generous CEO. That's about it for their advantages. Granted, those advantages are huge. Apple has the edge on ease of use, stability, and innovation. Personally I prefer PCs, I'm a big time gamer and one mouse button sucks for my favorite game, Starcraft, as well as no IPX on any recent OS for classics like Warcraft 2. Just get whatever is better for your needs, there is no objectively superior company between those two.
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I have looked at numerous laptops, both for apple and Microsoft, and the prices aren't that different. Granted, you can get a good desktop or laptop for cheaper than a Mac there Microsoft PC's that are the same price and even higher. Such as the HP envy, Sony Vaio z-series(and other series), Toshiba Portege, and Qosimio. People saying that Apple is "ridiculously expensive" need to realize this. Price is no longer something that is truly viable different. A high-end Mac is $2,500+ and a high-end Sony Vaio(z-series) is $4,000+. Don't believe me? Go look them up.
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I have looked at numerous laptops, both for apple and Microsoft, and the prices aren't that different. Granted, you can get a good desktop or laptop for cheaper than a Mac there Microsoft PC's that are the same price and even higher. Such as the HP envy, Sony Vaio z-series(and other series), Toshiba Portege, and Qosimio. People saying that Apple is "ridiculously expensive" need to realize this. Price is no longer something that is truly viable different. A high-end Mac is $2,500+ and a high-end Sony Vaio(z-series) is $4,000+. Don't believe me? Go look them up.
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I have looked at numerous laptops, both for apple and Microsoft, and the prices aren't that different. Granted, you can get a good desktop or laptop for cheaper than a Mac there Microsoft PC's that are the same price and even higher. Such as the HP envy, Sony Vaio z-series(and other series), Toshiba Portege, and Qosimio. People saying that Apple is "ridiculously expensive" need to realize this. Price is no longer something that is truly viable different. A high-end Mac is $2,500+ and a high-end Sony Vaio(z-series) is $4,000+. Don't believe me? Go look them up.
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You're forgetting that the high end Sony Vaio is way better than the Mac in terms of performance! The equivalent Pc is way cheaper. Probably 600$ for a crappy dualcore and 4 GB of DDR3 RAM, if there were a motherboard so screwed up that it used old and new
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To Jael

I agree with komputerkurt, it looks like you just looked a a few brands randomly on the internet, found the most expensive computer from each and compared them. You should look at how good the processor(s) is/are, as well as the hard drive and how much RAM there is, in order to be able to compare performance.

Also, the best possible PC you can get is much better than the best mac, because a) there are more brands and b) PCs are designed to cover a range of sectors, while macs are just made to be personal computers. This means that, if you want an extremely powerful PC, for example to create special effects, animations, CAD (computer aided design) or programming(as a professional, but not including iphone and ipad development, of course), you can find one that is built especially for that range of people. With Apple, however, since only average performance is required for basic functions (photos, music, movies, development of basic apps), you don't have that option.
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There is no one answer.... only developers care about SDK's and API's, and only business people care about market shares and propriety... but it all comes down to the basic end user. Are you a gamer? Need to do lots of spreadsheets? Graphic Designer? Hardcore developer? Just want to surf the net? Check some email? Print reports? I'm a hardcore mac fan (i have MY reasons) and an aspiring developer but I don't pretend microsoft is inferior, just a different way of thinking.
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Weirdly enough Macs can run spreadsheets. Hell, I'm sure Microsoft Office was made originally for Macs before Windows. Only thing I really have about my macbook is the integrated graphics. I am also a gamer.
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To Stphn

Great comment: the OS and hardware you need depends on what you want to do with it.

To Maju

Yes, of course macs can run spreadsheets, but PCs are better at it. Making advanced macros, for example, is a key part of spreadsheets to a professional, and I am not sure you can make macros on numbers, and even if you can they are not as good, because visual basic is the language of choice for spreadsheets and numbers doesn't support it.
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It has loads of viruses?
Or is it the fact that they copy Apples OS?
maybe its that they refuse to admit that they screwed up Vista?
I can only hope that the next version of windows (After 7) goes its own way instead of being a rubbish looking mac look-alike.
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Oh. they are very different. I know, I have to use Windows XP an vista quite a lot, and Apple 10.5 and 10.6 as well. And have yoo heard? microsoft have admitted that they copied some parts of OSX with Windows 7. Most noticeably, the Dock and Widgets. As for Windows 7, I'd like to get it, but I don't feel like going through the upgrade, as I have never liked upgrading, or in fact setting up a Windows computer. And I wont pay £60 to fix Microsoft's mistake. (Where upgrading my Macbook cost £25, and was pain free, and saved 5GB of space whilst adding loads of features)
This was written on a Macbook running Snow Leopard.
All I can say is Microsoft is getting better, congratz to them, but I feel that Apple's OS is better in many ways.
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IF you got Windows 7 when it came out and you had Vista, you would have been upgraded for free by a technician!
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Yo Maju

Here are the facts:
a) the dock:
every windows operating system since windows 95 has had a taskbar, and even that was based on the tray, invented by Microsoft in the Cairo Project, which was started in 1991 and finished in 1996. However, Apple only made the dock in 1999, so if anything Apple copied Microsoft.

No other later piece of Microsoft software looks anything like Apple's dock, unless you are referring to the dock which is place at the top of most PCs, and which is in fact added on by the manufacturers of the computer, and NOT by Microsoft.

b) the widgets:
Same story: widgets were already around in Vista's time.

c)In general, even if you still believe that Microsoft copied Apple, the two points you mentioned are very insignificant. These are the significant points, and their inventors:

Office was made over 15 years before iWork.

The GUI was invented by Xerox, NOT Apple.

The mouse was invented by Xerox, NOT Apple.

Both operating systems are based on Unix, which was made by Bell Labs.

The Finder was made before Windows Explorer, since it was included in the very first Macintosh while Explorer was made first on windows 95. However, the Finder underwent a complete rewrite when Apple switched to a Unix based system. However, Apple did beat Microsoft to it, it is true.
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A) "Same story: widgets were already around in Vista's time." - Mac had them over a year before vista was released.

B)"Office was made over 15 years before iWork." - Office was originally made for the Mac.

C) "The GUI was invented by Xerox, NOT Apple" - but apple was the first company to envision and implement it for domestic computers. At that time, MS didn't even see the potential in it.

D) "The mouse was invented by Xerox, NOT Apple" - same as above.

E) "Both operating systems are based on Unix, which was made by Bell Labs" - What? No OS made by MS is based on UNIX! However, OSx is BUILT on UNIX. Most computer professionals who know their bacon know that UNIX is immensely powerful and walks all over any Kernel made by MS.
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Richiegravey, what a waste of a mouth you are god didn't give you a mouth intending for you to spew lies, go write a fiction novel.

You didn't make even one accurate point that wasn't blatantly false.
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This discussion is clearly biased from the structure of the questions. Why not rephrase it by asking which company is better and for what reasons? What do these companies do poorly? Instead, why have you chosen such a narrow route?

AND for the record, I favor Microsoft, but you are clearly in favor of leading an ignorant discussion.
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I think it may be ignorant to assume that what you are saying were peoples opinions. And for the record, comparing companies is like comparing two foods you like. Both are different, I like lasagna, but I also like grilled chicken. How can I compare them? But if I were to talk about two cooks, well then maybe I could compare them. The OS are really what matter, they are the culmination of the companies work. I have worked with both little (Windows 7 and Snow Leopard), but I know people who have. Those on both love them. It is personal choice. From my research, I have found that windows is very extensive with many features. snow Leopard on the other hand seems much simpler, but with as many features.

But to answer your second question- Microsoft needs to offer their OS at lower costs. Even with a student discount, an upgrade to 7 is more expensive than an upgrade with Snow leopard. Not only that but their is endless lists of AV software for Microsoft, one would think they would be the best company to secure their OWN system... just a thought.
But with Apple, they could use to make a more budget friendly laptop and be less stingy with their standards on their computers. They could do well to create software to do the job of Mcafee or Norton, I would rather be safe then sorry...
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Microsoft charges what they do for their os because it can be put on ANYTHING. It's not limited by using EFI, so anything that uses BIOS can boot windows. Microsoft makes their money off of software, not hardware AND software.
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Yes, vogt.zachary is right: To make a decent profit and keep the company running, Microsoft does need to charge more for its OS. But, still, on the subject of cost, buying a PC is still much cheaper than buying a mac...
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I think the title may be a little bias, however that should encourage Apple fans to argue more vigorously about their personal favorite.

I personally prefer Microsoft for a number of reasons; the main one being that I believe Apple to be extortionate. Their operating system is more stable if it is on Apple hardware, if not it is just as flawed, if not as worse, as Windows.

Someone up above mention that Mac OSX is more "user friendly" than Windows and to this i totally disagree. Also the fact of compatibility must come into it as well; Windows can almost run all software created for both platforms, for Mac only programs there is usually a free alternative for Windows that runs pretty much exactly the same.

Finally, the issue of innovation. It is true that Apple probably innovate more than Microsoft, however innovation is not always good, using gaming as a reference, remember the 'Virtual Boy'. Amazing innovation, it had never been done before, this did not distort the fact that the Virtual Boy was dreadful.

I don't think Microsoft will lose their 88% market share for a long time, with the help of 7, this is by far their best opperating system, maybe even better than Snow Lepard however that is judged purely on personal oppinion.
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I'm not sure you can really say "their operating system is more stable if it is on Apple hardware, if not it is just as flawed". I am not sure that this makes particular difference to OS stability, although it does affect other features. However, Windows is, to start with, stable, and it isn't difficult to keep it that way. Also, the reason os x slows down over time much less than windows is because it supports less 3rd party applications. This also means that the applications it does support are safer and aren't outdated. But this is a disadvantage, since I prefer knowing that downloading a certain application entails risks and still being able to do it, than not being able to install it at all since it isn't compatible.
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Hi friends,
I am a windows user I agree with most of you guys, but there is something that I notic almost all microsoft softwares including windows OS they full with bugs and problems which is becoming so frustrading to me latly, but in the other hand what I see on Mac users have much less prodblems like this and sounds like everything works much smoothly in MAC isn't this true? and in my opinion what is the point of having more control and more open models for developer and more programs available on Windows than on Mac if the result is frustrading always there is some bugs and issues I prefer less programs availble and less models and work more smoothly in PC! especially when it comes to music production. please let me know what do you think!
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LOL have you ever seen a Mac crash though? 10x worse! Sometimes you can't even force your Mac to turn off you need to unplug it!
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Thank you Komputerkurt.
Why are we double posting? maybe its another one of macs flaws? xD

Um, 1, you need to learn how to spell/speak English/something. Your post is pretty ridiculous. 2. Logic Pro is probably the most extensive music suite ever, and it comes for both os's. 3. Windows 7 automatically installs all the drivers you need when you plug in your midi devices, so that you can quickly get to making your music, whereas a mac may not support every device.

And Morgan, Why should I need to be forced to use a computer that I am unsure of for a while before I actually like it? I'll stick to the computer that does everything I would like it to, and offers everything I could possibly need in the future. By the way, If i want to get a faster processor on a computer I already own, it costs the price of a processor, not the price of a new mac.
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nazo,

I do understand your frustration but it IS really easy to clean a PC. And besides the main cause for it slowing down and crashing is your own installations; installations which probably aren't even mac-compatible. For example, I install loads of big programs, including some old ones, and I have to clean my computer regularly to avoid performance loss ( it's easy though: check out http://sciamme.blogspot.com/2010/12/w..., my blog). My dad, on the other hand, uses his windows computer mainly for basic functions, and it is still exactly as fast as it used to be. As I said, I need to clean mine in order to keep it performing well, but, once it is clean, it never crashes, and goes as fast as when I bought it.
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Logic Pro is Mac only.
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you shouldent have to clean a computer thats why there is mac
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Microsoft can only be considered "better" in the sense of market share. And in this capitalist society people tend to think that because you make more money you are somehow "better" than the rest. I don't even know why you people still argue over this. Nothing will change my mind as to the OS I prefer (although UNIX/Linux is tempting.) And I'm sure nothing will convince any one else that they need to switch... (and plex117, it took Microsoft a long time to get to Windows 7.)
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and that changes the fact that Windows 7 is brilliant how?
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Apple's OS X has been out since 2000. UNIX/Linux distributions have been out since ????.... Windows 7 might be brilliant NOW but others have been brilliant for so long they are bored with brilliance and are on to the next level. I'm not going to give Microsoft a standing ovation for finally getting something right and listening to what the people who pay for their software want. All I can say is, it's about time.
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I'm sorry?
Let me get this straight... you are trying to tell me that there is a level above brilliance? Maybe "Super-Brilliance"?
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, you are not going to acknowledge that Windows 7 is a brilliant operating system because it took Microsoft a while to get it right?
Is it just me or was Windows XP one of the most celebrated, the most widely distributed and the best selling operating system of all time?
Personally I hate XP because of all of the glitches, security holes and such but obviously over 90% of the market disagrees with me.
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You might like to know, but quite a lot of Window's users are uninformed or don't have the money for a Mac. Win 7 is only good because is copied ideas from Apple, and still failed.
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@plex117 I don't think anyone will deny that Windows 7 has made some large leaps (time will tell) from Vista and XP. The arguments presented in favor of the Mac are not aimed at Windows 7 alone, but at Microsoft's OS in general. I'm not a developer nor IT professional, but as an every day computer user I echo the feelings of millions worldwide who have made the switch to OS X that the effort and knowledge it takes to run Windows effectively (anti-virus, anti-malware, registry cleaners, misc clean up tools, uninstallers, etc) is more of a head ache than it's worth. Not to mention the overall beauty of the care and exceptional effort the OS X architects clearly put into the OS X compared to Windows. Microsoft continues to do a fantastic job of marketing their product to the masses, and selling their product to folks who need to pay less than $1000 for their machine (e.g. business, middle-income families). For college-students, designers, graphic artists, and anyone else willing to spend $1000 or more the numbers speak for themselves http://tinyurl.com/ly5o24 .
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First of all, windows was out in 1983. Then, Linux was out in 1991. So, actually, even if that was a valid argument ("bored with brilliance"???), Windows was still first.

However, it goes further than that: your argument makes no sense. I do not think that Windows is the best because Microsoft are "bored with brilliance and are on to the next level". I think that Windows is best because it does the most.
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Oh yeah, and, to maju: stop it with that 'Microsoft is copying Apple' thing. I will not explain why that is wrong here, because I already did a bit higher up. I know that that was after you posted both the comments, but still, have a look at it.
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exactly. "the glitches, security holes and such" Then Vista, whatever that was supposed to be. Then they actually took a second to ask what the people want/need, worked with others and put out Windows 7. And one can argue their market share is due to just that, marketing. Most average users looking for something inexpensive and not-so-flashy will buy a new computer that contains some version of Windows. If you're the type of person to build your own PC chances are you'll throw in Windows (although UNIX/Linux can be obtained for free... but maybe the huge list of choices scares some people.) And, of course, the hardcore intense gamers need a Windows machine. And that leaves the business class, which I will concede is made up of mostly Windows clients.... So neat. It's not that they disagree. They had the exact same complaints as you about XP, I'm sure. The only reason everyone was diehard about their XP (imho) is that Vista sucked. It came along and changed things that people didn't want changed. So MS came up with another solution... because their first one didn't work when it could have had they taken a minute to stop shoving their OS down peoples throats and ask a simple question: "What do you want?" So, no, no standing ovation for doing something that should have been done before. I'm saying MS was late to the party and missed the cake and punch, but they still got in. Now how does this make MS better than Apple? It doesn't.
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Oh, so now it's Microsoft that only sells because of its marketing. I think that both Windows and Mac fans will agree, Apple is the one with the better marketing: Windows sells because of its practicality, and the wide range of uses it can perform, while Apple is the one to sell its gadgets with great marketing. I am not saying that is a bad thing, I am saying that if, as you seem to think, it is, well it is not going against Microsoft, but against Apple.

Also, I have posted a range of comments explaining that MS was NOT "late to the party". You can use Ctrl+F to find my name and see my other comments.
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and the next level beyond brilliance.... is customer support.
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don't get me wrong, there is no such thing as a perfect OS & they all could use improvements & innovations from time to time... but a release that is a stepback which makes you scramble to take two steps forward to get back in line is not cause for celebration until another step is taken. That's just how I see it. if you want to throw a ticker tape parade... whatever makes you happy to keep paying for Microsoft products.
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This is, and always will be, a battle of opinion, and my opinion is that Vista was a brilliant operating system and Windows 7 took it to the next level...
But what you said about customer support being above brilliant software made me laugh... I might open up a business in my shed, basically just sell Linux on really over-priced machines, but give really good customer support then maybe i'll be able to contend with Apple... oh wait, that sounds too much like Apples business plan... damn.
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Vista? Brilliant? Hah! hardware incompatibility, and software compatibility is a joke! Its buggy, and looks ugly. That Flip3D thing? WTF was Microsoft thinking? Microsoft needs to overhaul their OS from the bottom up. Its old and out of date, and its not made for a normal non-tech person. Hell, Internet Explorer is sitting there, and somehow, despite never being used, it generates temporary files.
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>That Flip3D thing?

Do you mean tabbing through windows using Windows+Tab? That's the result of using vectors and math instead of memory space to calculate the size of images. It's faster, more efficient, and better looking. Thus, it's new technology. Before, the OS didn't care about knowing what was underneath your current window. It would have to do a bunch of memorizing to figure out what to be displayed and when. (best shown when you tried to drag your current window accross the screen while your computer lagged. you'd get a bunch of pixel copes.) Now the OS just needs a couple numbers (instead of pixel display and location information) to figure out how to manipulate the graphics.

If you're talking about the visually interesting way to tab through programs. That's what the Flip3D thing is.
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I say, go ahead & open your shop! if Microsoft can "borrow" it's innovations and ideas from Apple & Unix for their OS and blatantly steal the idea of Apple stores, then anyone should be able to ride on the coat tails of someone elses successes! I kid, I kid. But to truly be able to overcharge, you'll have to built the hardware yourself and integrate your Linux distribution to run flawlessly even with updates. Maybe not flawlessly but let's say It has tone 90% reliable. If you go with third party hardware you'll justbe another pc vendor with compatibilty issues during the next upgrade. -yeah, this debate will rage on needlessly. I could care less. I always end up using one or the other.
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":-) I'm funny."

No you are not.
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But for me to truly copy Apple, they would have to make their operating system run flawlessly.
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Stphn

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yeah, that's why i mentioned, reliable; no OS is flawless... and you also forgot, in order to truly copy Apple you'd have to introduced a couple of product lines that would reshape the way people think about/use/enjoy their personal communication and entertainment devices and for the fun of it make those products in an area you've never ventrued into before! (You might skip the liver cancer, that has proven to be bad for business.) - uh, was that too much? sometimes I go a little too far.
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Stphn

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plex i read an earlier post of yours: innovation is ALWAYS a good thing. just because it doesn't make money or perform to expectations doesn't mean it was a useless exercise. mistakes are the foundation for a lot of great successes.
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So, as you think Vista was a mistake, do you think that that was the foundation for a future Microsoft success?
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Exactly. Vista was a "mistake" that allowed them the basis for Windows 7 and a change in attitude which is will benefit them in future releases. And in my opinion, the Microsoft Surface was the most awesome piece of hardware innovation I've seen from Microsoft. It is totally bad ass and has so many applications I'm excited to see where it ends up (& I'm being serious. this isn't a veiled sarcasm.)
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I am not saying that I don't like the Microsoft Surface, but your passion for it reflects this characteristic of Apple fans :"give us something shiny, we'll love it".
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You mean a couple of product lines which no one but stalwart Apple geeks use because their performance is dreadful and are only compatible with Apple hardware?
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If your own about Apple computers. Boy are you wrong. Any decent Graphic designer, animator, photographer etc etc Uses Macs. Apple is GAINING market share, which means more people are using them. So more then Stalwart Apple geeks I think. (I wasn't one until School and a mate got one, and by then i was very annoyed with Microsoft's OS)
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no one uses? stalwart Apple geeks? seriously? geezus... I was attempting some humor but I can see this conversation is getting us no where if you can't even admit something as obvious as the fact that the iPhone and the iPod changed the game (Apple TV didn't really do much to reshape any categories but perhaps it's one of those innovations you think was a waste of time)... and then there is the iTunes store... all of which are compatible with PC. I don't know... maybe you've had dreadful experiences... allow me to apologize on behalf of all the other PC users I know & don't know who enjoy Apple's products along side Microsoft's. Maybe Steve Jobs doesn't like you.
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oh really do people think is apple is better??? do u know y microsoft has a bigger market share (95%) is because they are cheaper, they can on jst about any hardware, everyone says microsoft oh really, apple are more of a copy cat , they've said in a speech tht the iphone was the first with wi-fi oh really? no the zune player had it a year b4 the iphone, infact even b4 the iphone was in development, apple or 2 snidey, microsoft do loads of software for then, they give you safari which is the worst browser i have ever came accross, the reason why i like ms more is because they are jst better, they always have been, 5-10 years ago apple was really unheard of i have a m8 who didnt eveen know who apple was until the imac, which is also a load of junk, apple need 2 be so bossy about there hardware soon enough tht company well go bust becuase its all about them

in the end microsoft wins on compatabilty and hardware and the computers are cheaper

and people will start sayin oh but you've never tryed a mac well i surely have and they are a load of rubish, in my opinion there junk
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And Ford have a better marketshare then Ferrari or Aston Martin, but I'd rather have an Aston Martin. Microsoft themselves have said that Windows 7 has parts that are copied from Apples OSX. Have you seen the cost of Windows 7? The upgrade is more then the Mac upgrade. Windows gives you Internet Explorer, which must be the official worst browser ever. Safari is by far the fastest browser I have tried. That could be to do with that Snow Leopard is 32 and 64-bit, which Microsoft can't do. My mac, with Leopard, Core 2 Duo and 2Gb RAM is faster then the Vista, with Core 2 Quad and 2 GB RAM. And Ha! The Zune? Where's all the Apps? The Apps make the iPhone, and Apples Advertising, which is leagues above Microsoft. And 5-10 years ago, yes, Apple has almost unheard off. Now see them. They are GAINING marketshhare, taking people from Microsoft. Have you been on a Mac long? I have mates who used to say they are rubbish, now they say that Mac computers are loads better then Windows.
Hey. Maybe I'll send you a virus? Or shall I wait till you BSOD?
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Maju, just because you have been born stupid shouldn't absolve you of what you've said seeing as you're also arrogant as well.

Danny, you're equally stupid but from the looks of it you're just a kid based on grammar etc. You can out-grow stupidity.
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Back to Maju, youre analysis of the market share comparison is beyond retarded.
-I can buy a Windows computer of far higher quality for the same price of a much lower quality Mac.

So the real comparison? I buy a Kevlar jacket while you buy a Sleevless denim jacket, in a time of war.

You might like how you're jacket looks... But don't tell me how inferior my Kevlar is to you're Denim shirt.

-And a comparison of Safari vs Internet Explorer really?

Who in they're right mind uses either of those? Safari is of equal inferior quality of Internet Explorer.

You're argument only goes down hill from here... sadly enough

-Phones had apps long before iPod/iPhones came along, and they Also had wifi. They werent of very good quality but as far as this argument goes that doesn't matter as Apple was not first.

- Mac OS X can BSOD, and I highly doubt you hold the intelligence to give someone a virus, other then the herpes you gave to you're "mates".
(bazinga)

It's a complete fallacy that Macs can not get viruses, actually it's pretty easy to do, it's only less likely because in the scheme of things macs do not have even close to 1/10,000th of the programs that windows has available for it.