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Why is Microsoft truely better than Apple?

Why is Microsoft truly better than Apple? Smart answers here please, folks, none of the "BECAUSE IT IS, LOL!". What makes Microsoft the company it is today and what makes Apple so "bad" and Microsoft so "good"? All the answers I've ever heard on the internet were Apple and Microsoft fan boys screaming in all caps trying to win by volume rather than reason.

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  • Two very different companies. Not sure how you can compare them. you can compare windows to OSX but not company to company. Apple has been a hardware company for years, Microsoft has been mostly software for years. The only hardware area they compete in is Zune vers Ipod and I think we know how that is going.

    The moble phone market, again Micrsoft makes software and Apple makes the hardware. Apple does a great job with its brand and products. Microsoft does a good job with corporate america.

    Not exactly apples and oranges but different companies with different approaches.
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  • I’m satisfied
    agree with Tim, even though i am a Apple fan-boy.
    fair enough, different companies, serving their products to different markets.
    Theres little overlap there at the desktops, but the type of people using Microsoft and Apple products just differ.

    There is no 'better' company.
    Just make a choice based on which company has the software you like most ;)
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  • I’m writing
    Just throwing some operating system stuff out there:

    The main reason Windows has such high market share in the desktop realm is that Microsoft is very nice to developers. By this I mean they have lots of SDKs, give developers licenses for software, and even encourage hobbyists to develop (Visual Studio Express). They guarantee (in a sense) that third party software will remain operable for a decade at least, because they keep new versions backwards-compatible with the old.

    This is in fact one of the reasons Windows is kinda bloated and buggy. There are lots of examples of Microsoft adding software specific checks to new versions of runtimes, APIs, etc to make sure popular programs still run. For example, an old version of SimCity referenced a memory address outside what it had allocated. Windows had a check for this version of SimCity and let the game use that unallocated memory even though it was a SimCity bug and a fluke that it worked on the old version of Windows.

    Other examples are how Microsoft has written libraries that emulate the implementation of their old libraries. Particularly some old applications were written using undocumented (non-API) library structures. When these libraries were updated, Microsoft went through third-party software to see if it needed undocumented parts from the old API to function, and added compatibility layers as necessary.

    Apple is generally not as good with developers. Just look at the iPhone, it was out for a year before the SDK was released. That being said, there is also the popularity breeds popularity thing. Windows holds the market share, developers can reach a large audience on Windows, there are lots of other developers and resources for developing on Windows, etc, etc. This works against Apple. Mac has a smaller market share. Fewer people develop on Mac. Apple steps in and writes their own software suites (iLife, Final Cut, etc.). Basics are covered, developers have fewer "general audience" targets to hit. Less development means less development communities, resources (yes, I know most of Apple's development stuff is stolen from BSD and open-source, large communities but generally Mac-non-enthusiasts; besides, graphics is Apple custom).

    Another success orgy: iPhone. The iPhone was such a hit that despite Apple's glacial SDK release, they have tons of development going on. Everyone wants an iPhone*, everyone wants to hit mobile-computing consumers, everyone wants to develop.

    Disclaimers: lots of opinion up there, so should you disagree, shout it out and we'll discus.
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  • I’m confident
    Because Microsoft is more open than Apple for Developers and Customers.
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  • I’m happy
    Because Microsoft actually gives you a choice on how you want your desktop to look and feel. And there's more and better software and third-parties for Windows-PC's than for Apple's PPC's
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    • I enjoyed youre use sarcasm(arrogance). Nice job!
    • Also Apple PC suck compered to Windows because Windows has better controls for advanced users
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  • Why does one have to be "good" and one "bad?" True, Apple is pretty closed but that also allows them to control the entire user experience end-to-end. Microsoft, as an example, doesn't make the computers their software runs on, and relies on those third parties to write drivers to interface to the operating system. Some are better at it than others (not that all APIs are perfect, either). ;) But because of the more open model, it's easier (in my personal opinion) to develop software on the Windows platform, and as a result there are more programs available on Windows than on Mac.
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  • I’m happy this thread didn't turn into an iFlame war.
    The reason I prefer MS is because I don't like Apple. It's marketing campaigns such as the "mac vs pc" ones spread a lot of FUD, lies and general crap about Windows. A company who lies about its competitors isn't very good...A CEO who includes a specific timeslot in every WWDC just for trashing it's competitor is not very secure...And last of all, a user base of people who switched cuz they just aren't bright enough to use Windows (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tq7yy...) cannot be a very smart user base.

    Not convinced? Bonus reason: apple fanboys are 10 times more annoying than windows fanboys =) lol
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    • Implying that people who use a MAC are stupid only shows your own ignorance. But beyond this, why should a user have to be smart? Why can't a computer with more math, science, and logic skills than most humans (probably me included) be good enough to do what I cannot? why do I have to be a computer techie to keep a computer running? can't I just hit the power button, log in and not have to sift through computer code every once in a while to find a bug? I am not saying that 7 requires this and the Mac doesn't, I am retorting to your assumption that MAC users are stupid. So I will restate my question, why do COMPUTER users have to be smarter than the computers they are using?
    • I don't have an antivirus on my computer. It runs fine. I play games on it. (Steam on Mac is still very buggy btw. my friends macbook struggles to play css) Im more about dispelling the myths that the windows os's are junk. Sorry I can run any program I want on my pc.
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  • I’m indifferent
    Microsoft is not "truely better than Apple." Microsoft has a larger market share, doesn't require people to buy ridiculously expensive products to use its OS and has a more open ended product, as well as a much more generous CEO. That's about it for their advantages. Granted, those advantages are huge. Apple has the edge on ease of use, stability, and innovation. Personally I prefer PCs, I'm a big time gamer and one mouse button sucks for my favorite game, Starcraft, as well as no IPX on any recent OS for classics like Warcraft 2. Just get whatever is better for your needs, there is no objectively superior company between those two.
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    • You're forgetting that the high end Sony Vaio is way better than the Mac in terms of performance! The equivalent Pc is way cheaper. Probably 600$ for a crappy dualcore and 4 GB of DDR3 RAM, if there were a motherboard so screwed up that it used old and new
    • To Jael

      I agree with komputerkurt, it looks like you just looked a a few brands randomly on the internet, found the most expensive computer from each and compared them. You should look at how good the processor(s) is/are, as well as the hard drive and how much RAM there is, in order to be able to compare performance.

      Also, the best possible PC you can get is much better than the best mac, because a) there are more brands and b) PCs are designed to cover a range of sectors, while macs are just made to be personal computers. This means that, if you want an extremely powerful PC, for example to create special effects, animations, CAD (computer aided design) or programming(as a professional, but not including iphone and ipad development, of course), you can find one that is built especially for that range of people. With Apple, however, since only average performance is required for basic functions (photos, music, movies, development of basic apps), you don't have that option.
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  • I’m terrified on the outside, but laughing hysterically on the inside!
    There is no one answer.... only developers care about SDK's and API's, and only business people care about market shares and propriety... but it all comes down to the basic end user. Are you a gamer? Need to do lots of spreadsheets? Graphic Designer? Hardcore developer? Just want to surf the net? Check some email? Print reports? I'm a hardcore mac fan (i have MY reasons) and an aspiring developer but I don't pretend microsoft is inferior, just a different way of thinking.
    • Weirdly enough Macs can run spreadsheets. Hell, I'm sure Microsoft Office was made originally for Macs before Windows. Only thing I really have about my macbook is the integrated graphics. I am also a gamer.
    • To Stphn

      Great comment: the OS and hardware you need depends on what you want to do with it.

      To Maju

      Yes, of course macs can run spreadsheets, but PCs are better at it. Making advanced macros, for example, is a key part of spreadsheets to a professional, and I am not sure you can make macros on numbers, and even if you can they are not as good, because visual basic is the language of choice for spreadsheets and numbers doesn't support it.
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  • I’m unconcerned
    It has loads of viruses?
    Or is it the fact that they copy Apples OS?
    maybe its that they refuse to admit that they screwed up Vista?
    I can only hope that the next version of windows (After 7) goes its own way instead of being a rubbish looking mac look-alike.
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    • A) "Same story: widgets were already around in Vista's time." - Mac had them over a year before vista was released.

      B)"Office was made over 15 years before iWork." - Office was originally made for the Mac.

      C) "The GUI was invented by Xerox, NOT Apple" - but apple was the first company to envision and implement it for domestic computers. At that time, MS didn't even see the potential in it.

      D) "The mouse was invented by Xerox, NOT Apple" - same as above.

      E) "Both operating systems are based on Unix, which was made by Bell Labs" - What? No OS made by MS is based on UNIX! However, OSx is BUILT on UNIX. Most computer professionals who know their bacon know that UNIX is immensely powerful and walks all over any Kernel made by MS.
    • Richiegravey, what a waste of a mouth you are god didn't give you a mouth intending for you to spew lies, go write a fiction novel.

      You didn't make even one accurate point that wasn't blatantly false.
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  • I’m annoyed by this thread.
    This discussion is clearly biased from the structure of the questions. Why not rephrase it by asking which company is better and for what reasons? What do these companies do poorly? Instead, why have you chosen such a narrow route?

    AND for the record, I favor Microsoft, but you are clearly in favor of leading an ignorant discussion.
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    • Microsoft charges what they do for their os because it can be put on ANYTHING. It's not limited by using EFI, so anything that uses BIOS can boot windows. Microsoft makes their money off of software, not hardware AND software.
    • Yes, vogt.zachary is right: To make a decent profit and keep the company running, Microsoft does need to charge more for its OS. But, still, on the subject of cost, buying a PC is still much cheaper than buying a mac...
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  • I’m confident microsoft will kick Apple's ass
    I think the title may be a little bias, however that should encourage Apple fans to argue more vigorously about their personal favorite.

    I personally prefer Microsoft for a number of reasons; the main one being that I believe Apple to be extortionate. Their operating system is more stable if it is on Apple hardware, if not it is just as flawed, if not as worse, as Windows.

    Someone up above mention that Mac OSX is more "user friendly" than Windows and to this i totally disagree. Also the fact of compatibility must come into it as well; Windows can almost run all software created for both platforms, for Mac only programs there is usually a free alternative for Windows that runs pretty much exactly the same.

    Finally, the issue of innovation. It is true that Apple probably innovate more than Microsoft, however innovation is not always good, using gaming as a reference, remember the 'Virtual Boy'. Amazing innovation, it had never been done before, this did not distort the fact that the Virtual Boy was dreadful.

    I don't think Microsoft will lose their 88% market share for a long time, with the help of 7, this is by far their best opperating system, maybe even better than Snow Lepard however that is judged purely on personal oppinion.
    • I'm not sure you can really say "their operating system is more stable if it is on Apple hardware, if not it is just as flawed". I am not sure that this makes particular difference to OS stability, although it does affect other features. However, Windows is, to start with, stable, and it isn't difficult to keep it that way. Also, the reason os x slows down over time much less than windows is because it supports less 3rd party applications. This also means that the applications it does support are safer and aren't outdated. But this is a disadvantage, since I prefer knowing that downloading a certain application entails risks and still being able to do it, than not being able to install it at all since it isn't compatible.
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  • Hi friends,
    I am a windows user I agree with most of you guys, but there is something that I notic almost all microsoft softwares including windows OS they full with bugs and problems which is becoming so frustrading to me latly, but in the other hand what I see on Mac users have much less prodblems like this and sounds like everything works much smoothly in MAC isn't this true? and in my opinion what is the point of having more control and more open models for developer and more programs available on Windows than on Mac if the result is frustrading always there is some bugs and issues I prefer less programs availble and less models and work more smoothly in PC! especially when it comes to music production. please let me know what do you think!
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    • Logic Pro is Mac only.
    • you shouldent have to clean a computer thats why there is mac
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  • Microsoft can only be considered "better" in the sense of market share. And in this capitalist society people tend to think that because you make more money you are somehow "better" than the rest. I don't even know why you people still argue over this. Nothing will change my mind as to the OS I prefer (although UNIX/Linux is tempting.) And I'm sure nothing will convince any one else that they need to switch... (and plex117, it took Microsoft a long time to get to Windows 7.)
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  • Apple's OS X has been out since 2000. UNIX/Linux distributions have been out since ????.... Windows 7 might be brilliant NOW but others have been brilliant for so long they are bored with brilliance and are on to the next level. I'm not going to give Microsoft a standing ovation for finally getting something right and listening to what the people who pay for their software want. All I can say is, it's about time.
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    • First of all, windows was out in 1983. Then, Linux was out in 1991. So, actually, even if that was a valid argument ("bored with brilliance"???), Windows was still first.

      However, it goes further than that: your argument makes no sense. I do not think that Windows is the best because Microsoft are "bored with brilliance and are on to the next level". I think that Windows is best because it does the most.
    • Oh yeah, and, to maju: stop it with that 'Microsoft is copying Apple' thing. I will not explain why that is wrong here, because I already did a bit higher up. I know that that was after you posted both the comments, but still, have a look at it.
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  • exactly. "the glitches, security holes and such" Then Vista, whatever that was supposed to be. Then they actually took a second to ask what the people want/need, worked with others and put out Windows 7. And one can argue their market share is due to just that, marketing. Most average users looking for something inexpensive and not-so-flashy will buy a new computer that contains some version of Windows. If you're the type of person to build your own PC chances are you'll throw in Windows (although UNIX/Linux can be obtained for free... but maybe the huge list of choices scares some people.) And, of course, the hardcore intense gamers need a Windows machine. And that leaves the business class, which I will concede is made up of mostly Windows clients.... So neat. It's not that they disagree. They had the exact same complaints as you about XP, I'm sure. The only reason everyone was diehard about their XP (imho) is that Vista sucked. It came along and changed things that people didn't want changed. So MS came up with another solution... because their first one didn't work when it could have had they taken a minute to stop shoving their OS down peoples throats and ask a simple question: "What do you want?" So, no, no standing ovation for doing something that should have been done before. I'm saying MS was late to the party and missed the cake and punch, but they still got in. Now how does this make MS better than Apple? It doesn't.
    • Oh, so now it's Microsoft that only sells because of its marketing. I think that both Windows and Mac fans will agree, Apple is the one with the better marketing: Windows sells because of its practicality, and the wide range of uses it can perform, while Apple is the one to sell its gadgets with great marketing. I am not saying that is a bad thing, I am saying that if, as you seem to think, it is, well it is not going against Microsoft, but against Apple.

      Also, I have posted a range of comments explaining that MS was NOT "late to the party". You can use Ctrl+F to find my name and see my other comments.
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  • and the next level beyond brilliance.... is customer support.
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  • I’m a smartass!
    don't get me wrong, there is no such thing as a perfect OS & they all could use improvements & innovations from time to time... but a release that is a stepback which makes you scramble to take two steps forward to get back in line is not cause for celebration until another step is taken. That's just how I see it. if you want to throw a ticker tape parade... whatever makes you happy to keep paying for Microsoft products.
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  • I’m loving arguing
    This is, and always will be, a battle of opinion, and my opinion is that Vista was a brilliant operating system and Windows 7 took it to the next level...
    But what you said about customer support being above brilliant software made me laugh... I might open up a business in my shed, basically just sell Linux on really over-priced machines, but give really good customer support then maybe i'll be able to contend with Apple... oh wait, that sounds too much like Apples business plan... damn.
    • Vista? Brilliant? Hah! hardware incompatibility, and software compatibility is a joke! Its buggy, and looks ugly. That Flip3D thing? WTF was Microsoft thinking? Microsoft needs to overhaul their OS from the bottom up. Its old and out of date, and its not made for a normal non-tech person. Hell, Internet Explorer is sitting there, and somehow, despite never being used, it generates temporary files.
    • >That Flip3D thing?

      Do you mean tabbing through windows using Windows+Tab? That's the result of using vectors and math instead of memory space to calculate the size of images. It's faster, more efficient, and better looking. Thus, it's new technology. Before, the OS didn't care about knowing what was underneath your current window. It would have to do a bunch of memorizing to figure out what to be displayed and when. (best shown when you tried to drag your current window accross the screen while your computer lagged. you'd get a bunch of pixel copes.) Now the OS just needs a couple numbers (instead of pixel display and location information) to figure out how to manipulate the graphics.

      If you're talking about the visually interesting way to tab through programs. That's what the Flip3D thing is.
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  • I’m funny.
    I say, go ahead & open your shop! if Microsoft can "borrow" it's innovations and ideas from Apple & Unix for their OS and blatantly steal the idea of Apple stores, then anyone should be able to ride on the coat tails of someone elses successes! I kid, I kid. But to truly be able to overcharge, you'll have to built the hardware yourself and integrate your Linux distribution to run flawlessly even with updates. Maybe not flawlessly but let's say It has tone 90% reliable. If you go with third party hardware you'll justbe another pc vendor with compatibilty issues during the next upgrade. -yeah, this debate will rage on needlessly. I could care less. I always end up using one or the other.
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  • But for me to truly copy Apple, they would have to make their operating system run flawlessly.
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  • I’m of a finger high ambition...
    yeah, that's why i mentioned, reliable; no OS is flawless... and you also forgot, in order to truly copy Apple you'd have to introduced a couple of product lines that would reshape the way people think about/use/enjoy their personal communication and entertainment devices and for the fun of it make those products in an area you've never ventrued into before! (You might skip the liver cancer, that has proven to be bad for business.) - uh, was that too much? sometimes I go a little too far.
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    • Exactly. Vista was a "mistake" that allowed them the basis for Windows 7 and a change in attitude which is will benefit them in future releases. And in my opinion, the Microsoft Surface was the most awesome piece of hardware innovation I've seen from Microsoft. It is totally bad ass and has so many applications I'm excited to see where it ends up (& I'm being serious. this isn't a veiled sarcasm.)
    • I am not saying that I don't like the Microsoft Surface, but your passion for it reflects this characteristic of Apple fans :"give us something shiny, we'll love it".
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  • You mean a couple of product lines which no one but stalwart Apple geeks use because their performance is dreadful and are only compatible with Apple hardware?
    • If your own about Apple computers. Boy are you wrong. Any decent Graphic designer, animator, photographer etc etc Uses Macs. Apple is GAINING market share, which means more people are using them. So more then Stalwart Apple geeks I think. (I wasn't one until School and a mate got one, and by then i was very annoyed with Microsoft's OS)
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  • no one uses? stalwart Apple geeks? seriously? geezus... I was attempting some humor but I can see this conversation is getting us no where if you can't even admit something as obvious as the fact that the iPhone and the iPod changed the game (Apple TV didn't really do much to reshape any categories but perhaps it's one of those innovations you think was a waste of time)... and then there is the iTunes store... all of which are compatible with PC. I don't know... maybe you've had dreadful experiences... allow me to apologize on behalf of all the other PC users I know & don't know who enjoy Apple's products along side Microsoft's. Maybe Steve Jobs doesn't like you.
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  • oh really do people think is apple is better??? do u know y microsoft has a bigger market share (95%) is because they are cheaper, they can on jst about any hardware, everyone says microsoft oh really, apple are more of a copy cat , they've said in a speech tht the iphone was the first with wi-fi oh really? no the zune player had it a year b4 the iphone, infact even b4 the iphone was in development, apple or 2 snidey, microsoft do loads of software for then, they give you safari which is the worst browser i have ever came accross, the reason why i like ms more is because they are jst better, they always have been, 5-10 years ago apple was really unheard of i have a m8 who didnt eveen know who apple was until the imac, which is also a load of junk, apple need 2 be so bossy about there hardware soon enough tht company well go bust becuase its all about them

    in the end microsoft wins on compatabilty and hardware and the computers are cheaper

    and people will start sayin oh but you've never tryed a mac well i surely have and they are a load of rubish, in my opinion there junk
    • And Ford have a better marketshare then Ferrari or Aston Martin, but I'd rather have an Aston Martin. Microsoft themselves have said that Windows 7 has parts that are copied from Apples OSX. Have you seen the cost of Windows 7? The upgrade is more then the Mac upgrade. Windows gives you Internet Explorer, which must be the official worst browser ever. Safari is by far the fastest browser I have tried. That could be to do with that Snow Leopard is 32 and 64-bit, which Microsoft can't do. My mac, with Leopard, Core 2 Duo and 2Gb RAM is faster then the Vista, with Core 2 Quad and 2 GB RAM. And Ha! The Zune? Where's all the Apps? The Apps make the iPhone, and Apples Advertising, which is leagues above Microsoft. And 5-10 years ago, yes, Apple has almost unheard off. Now see them. They are GAINING marketshhare, taking people from Microsoft. Have you been on a Mac long? I have mates who used to say they are rubbish, now they say that Mac computers are loads better then Windows.
      Hey. Maybe I'll send you a virus? Or shall I wait till you BSOD?
    • Maju, just because you have been born stupid shouldn't absolve you of what you've said seeing as you're also arrogant as well.

      Danny, you're equally stupid but from the looks of it you're just a kid based on grammar etc. You can out-grow stupidity.
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      Back to Maju, youre analysis of the market share comparison is beyond retarded.
      -I can buy a Windows computer of far higher quality for the same price of a much lower quality Mac.

      So the real comparison? I buy a Kevlar jacket while you buy a Sleevless denim jacket, in a time of war.

      You might like how you're jacket looks... But don't tell me how inferior my Kevlar is to you're Denim shirt.

      -And a comparison of Safari vs Internet Explorer really?

      Who in they're right mind uses either of those? Safari is of equal inferior quality of Internet Explorer.

      You're argument only goes down hill from here... sadly enough

      -Phones had apps long before iPod/iPhones came along, and they Also had wifi. They werent of very good quality but as far as this argument goes that doesn't matter as Apple was not first.

      - Mac OS X can BSOD, and I highly doubt you hold the intelligence to give someone a virus, other then the herpes you gave to you're "mates".
      (bazinga)

      It's a complete fallacy that Macs can not get viruses, actually it's pretty easy to do, it's only less likely because in the scheme of things macs do not have even close to 1/10,000th of the programs that windows has available for it.
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  • apple the format of gods...microsoft is more common dew to the price were apple costs more. im still waiting for microsoft to make a decent smart phone ...i think well be waiting a long time keyword : decent! from joe the apple man !!
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  • I’m frustrated with apple's lies.
    My problem is that currently Apple and its fanboys are still shouting "We have better hardware, and We are better at media and video things" When I have to use a mac for Broadcasting I have learned that macs are as buggy as a pc. Except on a mac there is no way to fix the issues. There is no access to drivers, and all settings and such are locked or hidden away in the os. It's impossible to fix. Plus your hardware is no longer superior, as nice as Apple's dual core laptop processors are, they don't compare to the worst of quad core processors which kick their ass. They refuse to adopt blue ray, and they lack personalization as to the physical appearance and digital appearance. And I know this one from experience, Macs are not better at video things. How can you tell me that when your operating system will not support the transfer of files over 4 GB to external devices. I had to transfer raw footage to a flash drive and i couldn't cause it was 5gb. Is this a joke? Your OS cannot transfer large files to FAT storage devices... Just pathetic.
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  • ok 1. Microsoft windows 7 is the best operating system since windows xp no doubt but Apple is more focused right now on there hardware like there ipods there iphones and ipads you know?, and 2.Microsoft is leading in Gaming also. why doesnt apple take a shot at that if they can make everything touchscreen and so good let them go there cause thats a tough task to do is go into the gaming platform. 3. MACs (from my experience) are fairly slower then windows 7 witch i am using. MACs dont support all the games on there computers and MAC doesnt have a good op. i feel its more buggy then a PC its to slow i used windows 7 for 3 months straight picked up a mac book and it wasnt the same the mac book was to slow and you cant really customize it the way you can with a windows (Microsoft) computer. it just doesnt make sense apple is not good in any way shape or form except for there ipods and iphones (witch freeze alot).
    overall microsoft is a better franchise and was brought up by high school drop outs.
    • No doubt. Win 7 is the best Windows OS. Macs, IMO, are a lot faster then any Windows OS. even when my own Windows Comp had a better graphics card and core 2 quad 2.66 CPU, compared to my macbooks intergrated graphics and core 2 duo 2.4 GHz CPU, my macbook is still a lot faster. As for games, thats what the consoles are for. There are more games on a mac now (Steam on Mac!) And buggy? On Vista, everytime I try to delete an old icon on desktop, the Explorer freezes. wtf?

      Customize? you don't need to customize! and My iPod touch, and my friends iPhone have never freezed before. Microsoft is loosing ground to apple, Apple is becoming more popular. Why? because of Vista, and because of Microsofts OS. I can install games, but I can't run them. Stupid.
    • Macs aren't really that fast, it's just because they have not many startup programs so they seem faster. Also it does seem Windows breaks down after a couple of years... any new installers and sometimes system dialogs wont open and slow down my computer alot and then I hit CTRLALTDELETE and when it opens in a minute the other thing does too...
      Apple is evil now btw
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  • No. This Windows computer doesn't have that much to start up. My mac has a desktop hider, Printer control center, Appcleaner, etc.
    Yet sometimes the right click box crashes explorer, and even if it doesn't it takes forever to load, and even going into a simple folder takes forever.
    Then again, my mac is 32/64 bit (Snow leopard)
    • You are uneducated. (unless you have dual boot. LMFAO I highly doubt that) You don't have a 32/64 bit Snow Leopard. You have a 32 OR 64 bit snow leopard. go to the services section on your computer and actually look how much its running as opposed to your mac.

      and you are telling me you've never had to force quit a program on a mac? or waited on that colored wheel? bull. and you know it.
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  • your pc likely has extras to start up too that you don't know about or that don't appear in the system tray. PCs seem slower because they open things while showing you their progress. Linux waits until the application is loaded to show you.
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  • I’m Amazing
    Windows 7, and Windows XP are two of the best OSs ever. (In my opinion). xp was smooth and could work on any computer. 7 to. go MICROSOFT!!!!!
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  • I’m awesome
    I personally like Microsoft more, because Microsoft is more user-friendly than Apple. If you compare Windows 7 to Mac OS X Snow Leopard, Windows 7 has more opportunities to personalise, while Mac OS X Snow Leopard is more practical and simple. Based on the companies themselves, Microsoft aims to people of all ages and levels of experience(i.e, making their products simple to use for 11 year olds like me) and Apple is more for the work-orientated person. Plus also Microsoft has been renowned for it's products.
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  • I’m a PC
    When it comes to the arguement over whether Windows or Mac has the better software, I completely side with Microsoft. That is not to say that I've never had experience with a Mac OS - I learned computers using a Mac, but I've made the decision that Windows is the better chice for me - it's simply a personal preferrence. In a way, I'm one of the rare Mac-to-PC converts. I like Windows because I prefer the customizable asthetics of Aero to the mandatory brushed-aluminum of OS10, and I also prefer the number of choices where hardware is concerned available to Windows users - if you don't care for a Macbook's keyboard or oversized, button-less touchpad, you can find a plethora of Dells, HPs, and Lenovos that can accomodate your taste. In addition to the ability to customize your system, there is the ability to have this luxury without a $1000 base price. My machine was around $600 and is configured the way I want it for a price that fits my college student budget. Getting back to the software itself, I really like the fact that my OS (Windows 7 HP x64) can support almost any game I want - and what you can't play on 7, you can play on XP without issue. On the subject of reliability, I find 7 to be the best I've ever used - it hasn't crashed on me yet, and I've used it since the RC back in mid-2009; in fact, since the disaster that was Win ME (another story), I have never had major issues with crashing or lock-ups, and with the few that I've dealt with, a quick restart was typically all that was required. In addition to not having problems with crashing, I've never been troubled by malware or viruses, and the new versions of Norton and AVG are completely unintrusive and do a good job. As for claims of low-performance on Windows PCs, my economy PC manages to run the software without any hesitation and runs all of my programs likewise. Nobody is perfect, and that of course includes Microsoft - they have had some bad products over the years, like the hell that was ME, and substandard products like Vista, but in the long run, I believe that their better products (XP/7) outweigh the occasional misstep. So, there's my opinion on the matter - I'm no IT pro or developer, but I don't have to be to know what I want, and that, in essence, is the whole base of the PC vs. Mac arguement - what you want. For me, the choice is Windows, but if a Mac floats your boat, then by all means, have a blast.
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  • I’m Happy with my PC
    Oh my lord.
    Even though it was stated in the original topic post, a good number of you are still comparing the hardware of a "microsoft pc" to a mac.

    First off, MICROSOFT DOESNT MAKE COMPUTERS. They make operating systems to run on other companies' hardware (HP, Dell, Intel, AMD, Gateway, Toshiba, Kingston, Corsair, Thermaltake, etc.) The thing that you seriously don't get is that you are comparing your $500 presario to a $1200 iMac.

    Let's look at specifications.
    The $1200 iMac
    -3.06ghz i3 Processor - Dual Core
    -4gb memory - ddr3
    -500gb hdd
    -an 8x dvd/cd writer
    -ati radeon 4670 with 256mb memory
    -21 inch screen (1080p)
    -mouse and keyboard

    what you really should get with $1200 (and actually can)
    -3.06ghz i7 processor - Quad Core
    -8gb memory - ddr3 1333mhz
    -1tb hdd (1 tb is 1024gb)
    -a 22x dvd/cd combo drive
    -2 Sli Ready GeForce 450's with 1gb memory each
    -mouse & keyboard
    -22inch Led Lcd Monitor /w speakers
    -Cool, White Computer case (Ultra, Mid-tower, comes with 800 watt psu and thermaltake cpu fan).

    *I used very trusted and reliable hardware for this build: Intel, Corsair, Gigabyte, Ultra, Thermaltake, Samsung, Seagate

    ok. in comparison.
    -iMac has portibility.
    -$1200 system has 2 additional cores in the processor (same company/brand/everything)
    -$1200 system has 2x the memory (8gb at 1333mhz)
    -$1200 system has 2 simultaneously working graphics cards that are both newer and each one has 4x the dedicated memory of the 1 that the iMac has
    -$1200 system has a bigger display (which is led baclit and SUPER bright)
    -$1200 system has a faster cd/dvd combo drive
    -$1200 system has a 100% bigger hard drive

    Now there is no +, - to having windows/osx on your system.
    You can do a lot more than you need to with windows, you can do what you need to on a mac

    Seriously guys? save your money for things that aren't just shiny.

    Apple devices break, get bugs, THEY CAN GET VIRUSES. damn. I'm half tempted to write a mass-produced unix code virus so that people with quit using that as an excuse. This website can explain it for you ignorant people. -http://www.kernelthread.com/publicati...
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  • Fuck all of you fucking fucks you are the most fuckin fuck shit dick fuck ever in tue fun worl you fukin cuny you guys are truly the biggest cunt fucks in the fucking entire fucking universe you fuck fucks cunt face wank stain I hate you fucker cuunts I hate you cunts you guys are fuckers how suck your own penises if you have one you cunt face wank stain cunts I hate you guys you are fuck ugly on the other side apple is the the most fucking best computer make ever to be in the hole world Microsoft are dicks if you like microsoft then you guys are dicks
    • Ok, well I can't say I didn't expect the only comment in excess of 20 profain words and with atrocious use of grammar to come from a Mac user. Perhaps instead of blatantly giving a grotesque paroxysm of ignorant bias, you could give one true reason that would justify your opinion that wasn't brainwashed into your skull by one of Apple's insecure and completely untrue "Get a Mac" ads or by some other lie about Microsoft that was carelessly made up and strewn about all over their website, then you might come one brain cell closer to being capable of at least being able to convince someone else with an I.Q. less than 25 to want to buy a Mac.
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  • woo people with mac rule unlike all you other fuckers
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  • The "answer" to this "question" is simple. Because the asker of the "question" uses Windows. I'm going to add another set of quotation marks for good measure... " "
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  • Play Games or need a business machine: Windows.

    Need hi-performance/bespoke system: Linux.

    For pretty much everything else: Mac.
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  • Lol damn this thing got heated. It's been 8 months since I last posted. As a final word from me, I have actually tried macs and I actually ended up selling my $3300 Microsoft pc for a MacBook air, iPhone, iPod, and iPad 2.

    Long live macs!

    Just kidding, I'm not stupid enough to fall victim to apple's "do everything you've already been able to do, you were just too uneducated to know about it campaign."
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  • I’m indifferent
    well,i guess i prefer linux...
    but microsoft is kinda my next choice.
    Microsoft =
    3 mouse buttons= ;)
    no multidesktops= :(
    a fingerprint reader support ;)
    Is non free= :( ***i understand why,though.***
    is very hackable= :(
    Apple =
    1 mouse button= ;{
    lots of icandy(get it? eyecandy?) = :\
    lots of hardware as well( Ipod,ipod classic,ipod nano,blah blah blah.= :)
    has bugdom = ;) ***why did i say that?***
    Linux
    is great,but i won't go into details.
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  • For all those ifanboys out there and m$ haters commenting on how pc's are prone to viruses as hell, if u ifanboys don't know how to use a pc get educated first. Have been using MSE for the past (i even forgot since when),kicked asses of all the virus infections i've had so far i've been usin it. A pc would do great even without an antivirus provided one keeps a system restore point handy always (do disk clean n remove the earlier one to save disk space). n all those who would say abt wicked viruses that leave you with nothing but a blank screen & how to access your restore point then??? Boot using "safe mode with command prompt" n use "rstrui.exe". And in case of those hideously infected removable drives don't explore or open them up right away, instead enable the desktop toolbar browse to the file in your device n access it (cut it, copy it, paste it, watever). PC's are a billion light years better than a ifan's ignorance as to using a computer. Oh for the record, I, uh, don't see apple certified to be used at the Space station (Steve Jobs didn't invent the thinkpad, did he???). Y does the macbook pro not have slots for expandability at a pocket dentng price of over 2000 dollars???
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  • Microsoft Windows is hands down more open. Apple is good for the technically challenged people. If you are good with technology, you would probably favor Windows. The reason Apple gets less viruses, is because it doesn't support as many things. Apple has great mobile devices great for doing mobile things. But if you want to create, Windows offers more. It is also more compatible with alot more different things. So there really isn't a ''who is better'' because they specialize in different stuff. I personally would use Windows for creating and home stuff and use Apple for on the go. So here is the main picture, Windows is more compatible with a wide range of software and Apple is good for mobile, on the go things.
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  • EXCEPT THAT LINUX IS BETTER THAN MICROSOFT.
    • Nope. Not true. It is not nearly as well of written software. There are many different types of Linux. Linux is free so, so that tells the whole story.
    • No it doesn't. Android, ps3 are all Linux. I use Ubuntu, its so much better than crappy Windows. Windows exploits its users. see this: http://windows7sins.org/
      Microsoft makes .odt and forces people to use it as default. If I want to use something else, I dont have choice as I cant see what the odt for mat has so that it can be ported to something like libreoffice.

      And by the way LINUX IS FREE, NOT AS IN PRICE OR BEER BUT AS IN FREEDOM. red hat still sells linux, Linux is much more easier to use and out of the box for me. i used Macs before but didnt like them much.

      I dont know much about computers, but this is just my experience.
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  • I got an interview with Microsoft tomorrow , and I just wanted to put my two cents in. Apple is good for what they do. They have a decent product and sells well. The thing that people dont understand is that is that Apple is only popular through their marketing skills. If you compare the mac book pro vs. the Sony viao Z series you can clearly see who is the victor. They have the same specs, except, sony is made out of carbon fiber, it is two pounds lighter, longer battery life, and 200 dollars cheaper. People still get mac book pro because of how it is presented in the media. Apple use to brag how they were virus free, but they were virus free because a small population of people have it. In recent years they increased their sells and what happened they got hacked. so they changed their slogan from virus free to built in virus protection. Honestly if you had to hack someone you would hack a Windows user. Wall street uses windows. Why hack something that doesnt have any money. Apple also promotes that they are simple and easy to use. Although that may be true, people dont realize that when you get simplicity , you also get restriction. You are not able to do as much as a PC user can do. There are more programmers and developers using windows than apple. Justin bieber and one direction shouldnt be called muscians cause their music is crap,but you cant hate that they got like 7 platinum albums between them. Just like apple...
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  • One word: Exchange.

    Apple has never managed to effectively sync vital information between devices. Steve Jobs said himself that MobileMe wasn't good, and it really wasn't (I never had so much trouble keeping my contacts up to date, duplications, changes that got lost, and a lot of frustrated people who kept getting e-mails to their old addresses even although I had updated them 3 times).

    iCloud is better, but the sharing options are still not very good. There are still plenty of bugs, and it treats each element in a shared calendar like an invitation, so you get constant invitation notices on all your devices. Also, you need Apple hardware to be able to have an iCloud account, so sharing calendars outside of the mac world is only partially possible.

    Then you can add to that all the display functionalities, sharing of contacts, access rights, etc. etc.

    All this has made me conclude, Macs are great as a consumer product, but when you try to use their built in software for business, then they are just not up to scratch.
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  • I disagree. apple is millions of times better than apple. I have been a 30 year windows user but my 2 year old toshiba crashed and I went with apple. It has been the best computer I have ever owned. It is not slow, I don't have to go through constant updates, and it is just a simple intuitive os.

    P.S: I looked it up jobs let gates have a mac and gates basically stole the os, tweaked it, and released a version in japan.
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