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Can't get "Use Image Recorder" to make an ISO image of a music CD image .nrg

I am trying to either convert a .nrg to a .iso or else use the saved .nra project to generate a .ISO. I am using Nero Express and have "Use Image Recorder" checked, but the only option I get is a .nrg which will not work with other equipment I have. I go to "Image, Project, Copy and then either "Use Image Recorder" turns off by itself, Image Recorder" will not stay selected or it only allows .nrg. Is there a way to make a .ISO without burning a disk and then making a copy in .ISO with other software?
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