Do unread items sunset after 14 days?

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I'm seeing unread items in NewsBlur change to read after 14 days of sitting in a feed, much as Google Reader would mark them read after 30. Is there a way to turn this behaviour off? I want persistent counts. NewsBlur already has a manual tool to unclutter feeds.
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While I understand how Samuel really has much much bigger worries atm (for all the right reasons), I'd like to come back yet again and say: if and when things start settling down, and if and when you start considering what the new premium plans area going to look like, take this issue into consideration. Even a limited way to specify some feeds to stay unread past the two weeks for a premium tier price would be great. I keep getting into alternative reader discussions and I keep hearing about time limits - could be that being biased I just listen harder when this specific subject comes up, but still.

As far as I'm concerned, it will be a huge service upgrade when nb finally delivers this, so I'm again going to reserve the right to keep nagging about it every time the subject pops back up. It's not going to change my mind about helping provide your dog with cookies, but I'll definitely consider better cookies.
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Just want to add another vote for indefinite unread tracking. The lack of this was the reason I switched away from Google Reader (long ago) to Thunderbird.

I just signed up for a NewsBlur paid account today after hearing about it amongst all the RSS discussion. Unread tracking > 14 days, if added, will be the difference between me considering this an amazing, fantastic reader, and merely an acceptable one, with me still looking for alternatives.

In Thunderbird, I browse back more than 14 days *all the time*. As others have said, I subscribe to a lot of feeds that post just occasionally, and I really do go back after a couple of months and read several stories. I also liberally pick and choose which stories to read, and come back later to read the "gaps".

Don't think about feeds with 50 posts/day when deciding whether a 14 day limit makes sense. Of course it doesn't in that case. Think about having 20 feeds that update once a week or less. This limit really changes the way I would use the reader. Send to Instapaper on older stuff isn't really the same (though I use that too).
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Ok i'm not the only one to want more than 14 days :)
I will just subscribe to the premium account because NewsBlur seems the top .. but i hope we won't have to manually write down what is the last post we have read on specific RSS just because our favorite developer doesn't want to change 14 to 60 :)
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+1 from here too. 30 or 60 days would be much better.
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Really, really want a way to expand this to 30 days at a minimum. This is going to kill a big chunk of usefullness for me.

Not everything followed on RSS is news, BTW. Timeliness and social news shouldn't be a requirement, otherwise I'd just be using Twitter.
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Just gonna bump this by saying do it!

I've got several feeds that are for youtube channels/playlists or videos elsewhere, I usually just let these kind of pile up for a while and then go through them every once in a while. Having the read/unread status reset after 14 days obviously limits this.

Also have to comment on this said by Samuel:
"I don't think you can mentally keep track of more than 2 weeks worth of unread stories."

You're absolutely right, I'd have a hard time to keep of track what I've read or not for just a couple of sites that post somewhat regularly... 100% correct... That's why I use feed readers to keep track of it for me :)
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Yeah, that is some "640k is enough for anyone" shit from Samuel right there ;)
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Exactly. There's already a mark all as read button, if I don't use it it probably has a reason.
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I've just come from vacation and I lost a lot of unread items :( Sad...
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Hampus

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Another excellent point. Obviously you want your news reader to keep track of things while your away so you can catch up when back!
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Just +1ing this for tackling after your current efforts to deal with scaling the site - it may not be efficient for people to leave things unread for 2 weeks and then expect to go back to them, but that's how a lot of us do things anyway. Honestly, I'd hope to be able to keep unread items there in perpetuity - but I think 30 days is really the bare minimum for a lot of us.
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Oh crap. I just switched to Newsblur. Two weeks is impossibly short. I'm tracking sites that update like once a month or two and I track a lot of them. There is no way I will be processing them each week.
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i was thinking of signing up for a premium acount, i check my rss several times a day to make sure i stay up to date. i am in the national guard so there are several times where i will be going away for 2-4 weeks a year. maybe a way to mark your account as vacation then it will keep your unread articles till 2 weeks after you return?
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Would really like this to be addressed too. Hoping that with the architecture scaling, this can be at least configurable--90 days would be amazing. 60 days great. 30 days, adequate.
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+1 for extending this to at least 90 days - one of my uses for Reader is to catch up on the Internet after holidays, and 14 days is just too short.
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I agree with the others here, 14 days is too short. 30 days is probably sufficient for my needs.
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I wanna travel and not have to worry on losing new articles. I wanna get busy and stay 1 month away.

Unread articles will grow? Sure. That's where training comes up. Show me what's more relevant and I save what I wanna read, then I go to all the rest also saving.

Then comes another - and the real - issue: I'll have too many starred articles to read. And I need to organize and sort these way more important unread articles :p

Solution is simple, just add starred articles to normal folders and feeds. They are already implemented by you, already organized by me. Easy and beloved!
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I was just travelling for 4 months and noticed for the first time Google Reader actually has a time limit, so after switching to Newsblur and buying a Premium account I'm disappointed to find out that NewsBlur has an even lower limit!

It doesn't really matter for most sites that update daily, but I also have lots of webcomics and torrent feeds that usually update once a week.

What about limiting the *number* of unread items per feed, instead of using the time? I think this would work well for most cases, and would be straight-forward to implement.

Of course a per-feed setting for Premium accounts would be very welcome as well, with the option to remove the limit for specific feeds.
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I too would prefer if unread items stayed unread indefinitely. There's a mark all as read button available, so if I don't use it there probably is a reason.
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If I had known about this limitation, I wouldn't have switched to NewsBlur.
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Dan Perron

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If I had known about this, I probably wouldn't have just subscribed to premium.
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happy.cerberus

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Just switch to TinyRSS, it's much better.

This is not a proper RSS reader, it's some weird amalgamation of some RSS reader features with a ton of useless social features.

And yeah, I did waste money on the premium account as well.
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I took a look in TinyRSS and it seems simpler than NewsBlur. NewsBlur is also OpenSource, you can download and install it.
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How about skipping expiration for feeds containing e.g. <1000 unread items? This would solve the issue with rarely updating feeds, and should keep the load on your servers manageable.
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I am curious how many people are helped by the feed-specific approach.

Personally, I would want a longer time for all feeds, but I know you've said that's not possible for now.

Perhaps a more specific poll would help gauge if there is sufficient value in building the feed-specific version?
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Hikari

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Indeed, I never complained about Feedly, I just left.
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happy.cerberus

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"This is a support forum. Please take your negative attitude elsewhere." So I should just dump my money and move along. Lovely :-)
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"That's what I agreed to above, but that requires some work."

Dan Perron offered to help with the coding. Could that work?

Also, to reiterate, I don't want to put more load on your servers; I don't need 500+ unread stories per feed. 25 per feed would probably be enough, just as long as the most recent 25 stories can stay unread forever (more on the premium account). Do it by the number of stories, not by the time elapsed.
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+1 for this feature request.
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Hikari

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Somebody offered to help develop a more flexible solution, you said it requires a lot of work. So...

Just to assure. I took a look on both NewsBlur and TinyRSS sources. TinyRSS seems too simple so I dropped it for my use. NewsBlur seems kinda complex, I never worked with MongoDB and Python so I'm not qualified to develop on it. You provided a quick tutorial to install it in Mac, but Mac is the worst platform to be used as server!

Anyway, we understood that feeding and storing feeds take a lot of load. As romlyns said, there are many WebSites that barely make 1 post/week. For this kind of feed, you're already reading their feeds, so just leave those few articles laying there.

I have a few feeds with lots of posts everyday. They take a lot of load, but those articles are already in there and will stay for 2 weeks anyway.

Explain it better so we can match a solution. What's exactally expensive in it?

Is it how often feeds reading happens? I know premium account is marketed as reading 10 times more often. I myself don't worry if it takes longer, I always have unread articles to handle, and if I wanna be quickly updated in some feed I can open it in browser and keep updating.

Is it storage or processing related to keeping them unread? Then make so premium accounts can have 1000 unread articles per feed and they will remain unread for 6 months.

Is it bandwidth, CPU or storage?

We just need to optimize it.
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As a scientist I am skimming through Journal article headlines, so articles older than 2 weeks are still relevant. Sometimes live prevents reading articles within 2 weeks, and I (would like to) rely on an unread count until I read the headline. No story is too old for me. Maybe make it a premium feature to change the lenght the unread count is kept?
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I never noticed this "sunset of unread items" before, only today. I had like 25+ (focus) news on Lifehacker and today I have 4. wtf?

Shared stories? Blogs? Really, that's the focus of Newsblur right now? If I want to share I have a million ways (twitter/facebook/plus/email/whatever). But seems like I just lost the only reader with "intelligence".

Looks like I have to buy a tablet to have a proper rss reader. That's almost as silly as an rss reader worried about reinventing blogger! Well... time to start looking for another RSS reader... again.
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I just signed up for Feedbin and it seems to keep unread items forever. It's also really fast, though not as feature-packed as NewsBlur. Not affiliated in any way, but the closest thing to a "solution" here.
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but does it have "intelligence"?
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Livven

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From what I see, no. I don't use this feature personally.
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Diogo Nunes

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aw, too bad, for me that's a must-have feature. Feedbin is evil, you have to pay for it even before you know if you like it or not :P
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Livven

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If you click the sign up link there's a notice that says "you won't be billed if you cancel within three days".
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@Diogo - I had to pay for Newsblur before I knew if I liked it or not. It's hard to get a complete feel from the online demo. Like with this issue, for instance.