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Ning Shut Down My Adult Network

I "owned" SidsAngels.com, an adult network for people in the adult industry to connect, that I am still removing links for on my profiles all over the internet. I am also still asked by friends and family "How is Sid's Angels doing?" or "Hey I know this girl you should have her join Sid's Angels".
Gee, sorry everyone but my host shut my website down. Yeah, I know right? They just decided to backpedal that "you own the content" stuff and kind of, you know, delete my website.

What's that? They allow you to download a big zip file full of all your network info? Oh that's awesome because I totally know exactly what to do with 300 XML files, and from what I understand, NO PLATFORM to put all that information on.

Not to mention the blow your image takes when suddenly hundreds of members are looking at a page that says "This network was shut down by it's owner".....it's owner. You know, and I know, and Ning knows that when a member sees that they think of ME. I just up and shut that shit down because I didn't give a damn.

Having Ning shut down MY network is the equivalent of plainly telling your customer "Go away. Go somewhere else. Go to our competition or something, but we don't need or like you anymore."
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    That's right. It's my understanding that they removed adult sites. That was their policy decision. I don't think they're going to change that.
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    They dont mind super graphic violence...people getting hit by cars is fine .But anything thats pertaining to sex is a no go.Its interesting because most of the adult content is of a loving consensual nature unlike the gore.
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  • Did you see Ning biggest site? 50cents site, Its full of porn!! but that one can stay..
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  • yea, it is the policy no more adult sites. u can make another sids angels, but it can't be adult like.
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  • Sooner or later you'll have to bite the bullet and just leave Ning. SocialGo is the place to be for those who are looking for white label and open API. I still have two large networks on Ning but I'll eventually get the data and transfer them to SocialGo. If they don't release the data you can turn off all your Ning features so the site is useless then post notices in text boxes about a new site. It's just stupid spending your money on advertising to get new members just so they become part of Ning.com. If they want to be a major social network so be it. Ning just needs to quit misleading it's network creators into believing their network can stand alone. Ning could charge NC's to go completely white label but they won't do that. They know the networks with serious network creators are probably 85% of their member base and daily traffic. If the larger networks don't share their members Ning.com would be about 950,000 networks with less than 100 members in each. Based on that I'm guessing Ning will not allow those of us with large networks to easily pack up our members and move them to SocialGo.

    Ning versus SocialGo

    When Ning destroyed my adult site which had 40,000 members in about 6 months I was devastated. 30 days to move was quite a shock. I found SocialGO so I started up there. The adult sites are now on Zocku which is still SocialGo.

    Ning by far has a better user interface but SocialGo is a few years behind still. However, SocialGo has improved rapidly. The pricing plans are similar depend when you created your Ning Network. SocialGo (Zocku) allows adult sites and Ning does not. SocialGo gives you full control of your member's data such as default photos, passwords, etc. With Ning a NC has no control over this so a member or creator has to contact the Ning help center.

    On the Ning blog they constantly boast about how many networks they have. How did they get that many networks? Simple, Ning used hardworking NC's who created large networks and then allowed anybody to not only create a competing network but also spam the original site.

    The whole point of my ramblings here is to say I was once in the state of mind many of you are in now. Just understand that Ning is a fine service to many users that aren't as serious about this as some of us. For those of us who want full control of our network you're better off with SocialGo. Say goodbye to Ning and make the switch. The more Ning adds to it's features the more your members become blended in with the crowd.
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    • Yeah SocialGo pricing plan sucks and they still have a way to go as far as userfriendliness compared 2 Ning. SkaDate (aka WackWall, Xitti) seemed promising but they have shady business practices. Dolphin 7 is a contender and nothing beats the price of FREE, however do go into that knowing ur on ur own when it comes to technical support - unless ur planning to learn a LOT about coding and customization yourself. I personally use Dolphin 7 however I have tried MANY software scripts and NONE are without problems. WordPress would be the other contender in my opinion but their Buddy Press plugin needs a little more development. At this point, It's a matter of personal preference and the company's Terms of Use Policies (particularly if ur an adult network creator.) At the end of the day ur better off with ur OWN host AND software script that don't give a hoot how u use it, happy and appreciative ur a customer. I can't believe these issues persist even a year after this original post was createdmade. This is my 2 cents I put in. . .
    • Yeah SocialGo pricing plan sucks and they still have a way to go as far as userfriendliness compared 2 Ning. SkaDate (aka WackWall, Xitti) seemed promising but they have shady business practices. Dolphin 7 is a contender and nothing beats the price of FREE, however do go into that knowing ur on ur own when it comes to technical support - unless ur planning to learn a LOT about coding and customization yourself. I personally use Dolphin 7 however I have tried MANY software scripts and NONE are without problems. WordPress would be the other contender in my opinion but their Buddy Press plugin needs a little more development. At this point, It's a matter of personal preference and the company's Terms of Use Policies (particularly if ur an adult network creator.) At the end of the day ur better off with ur OWN host AND software script that don't give a hoot how u use it, happy and appreciative ur a customer. I can't believe these issues persist even a year after this original post was createdmade. This is my 2 cents I put in. . .
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  • I’m frustrated
    ning is good for destroying months of hard work..
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  • ...sorry for my slaughter of the language

    ning has marketed itself to be a place where you can come set up your own social networks.and it was great for that until they received like 60 million dollars in funding last year. then they decided they wanted to have the dream. they wanted to be the ones to beat myspace when they should have used the money to further there original business plan and then it could have been everyone trying to be the next ning. they recently set up ning.com and absorbed all of the members from every network on ning without permission .go there and hover over your picture and find your name where you live ect.that alone is unsettling a lot of people were paying premium membership fees to ning to hide the ning network labels on site ect and there member wouldnt even have known they were part of ning and suddenly they are apart of this huge network they didnt sign up for and there pic and email and address and sometimes phone number are all there and that is invasive and should be illegal and the ones who are gonna be held accountable are the site owners who assured these people there data was safe or private.ning responded recently to this by blocking out picture of people who set there profile to private on their site.... a site they didnt sign up for .ning has had this in the works for a long time ..when they got rid of all the adult sites it wasnt because they werent profitable or google wouldn't advertise with them ... it was because when the networks belonged to the individual they assumed responsibility for content ect but when ning decided to absorb/steal everyones networks they would be liable for the content and didnt want the hassle..shame on all of you who were unconcerned and smug when all of the adult site got closed without any where to go who are now upset because you are being affected by nings evil plan. and good luck moving your network to another host because ning owns all of your content and wont let you export anything but your ex- members/there new members email addresses and good luck complaining because they wont respond and they have been deleting forum post that are critical of them and they have a clause in their terms of service stating they can change the tos at any given time.
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  • Why can't we market market SocialGo if we like it? I would have never heard of it if Ning hadn't flip flopped a million times. My whole post was not to market SocialGo anyway. I'm just stating facts. Ning kicked thousands of adult NC's off with 30 days notice and SocialGo built an entire platform for those people. If you don't like it don't read the forum. Ning has said this is a place where people can express their feelings even if it's critical of them. That is why they closed Network Creators and moved here.
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    dishartNING: If you want to talk about SocialGo, try here: http://getsatisfaction.com/socialgo

    There's a whole big community -- including adult network creators -- over there ready to talk all about the products and services they offer.

    It's not about being critical. Your replies have been flagged by the community because those community members don't think it's appropriate for you to be hawking SocialGO to Ning customers.

    I encourage you to read our community guidelines (http://getsatisfaction.com/community_...) if you have questions about how this site works.
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  • I’m a very satisfied SocialGO.com network owner! And a not satisfied Ning network owner!
    Is it the community that flagged those replies or is it Ning...?

    I thought this would be a "open"community where the Ning members/network-owners can talk about anything they wanna talk about.. And Ning could have known when they started using this service that there would be many unsatisfied costumers complaining here..

    I'm a Ning network-owner and a SocialGo network-owner, and i love SocialGO/Zocku much more then Ning!
    And i advise every one thats wanna have a REAL white label network with an EXCELLENT customer service to go to SocialGo.com, and every body thats wanna be part of Ning.com i advise them to stay or go to Ning..

    At the SocialGO.com section here on GS are many good and bad replies considering ning. SocialGo.com does not have any kind of censorship on their forum & blogs regarding ning. THEY have nothing to hide!
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  • I created a cool adult network on http://grou.ps they allow adult content and no bandwidth limits, no upload limits and no google ads... the structure is totally different but its cool anyway :)))and with good css you can make it very much your own :)))
    • Zohra socialparody.com is pretty nice, the creator is very friendly and helps you if you have problems... if you want to wait a bit wackwall.com is coming soon, they are just working out the final kinks... but they seem to be the closest to ning in features and ease of use.
    • THE CREATOR OF SOCIAL PARODY SEAN BROGNA STOLE BIGDICKCLUB OFF NING.COM AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT NING.COM GOT RID OF ADULT SITES AND OVER A YEAR AGO MY FRIEND HADA 9000 MEMBER SITE ANDSEAN STOLE IT FROM HIM TO MONETIZE IT-NOW NOONE GOES ON THERE SO WE JUMPED TO GROU.PS AND GAINED OVER 1000 MEMBERS IN JUST THE PAST MONTH
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  • Like Dokun, I own Ning and Socialgo sites. Pople discuss Ning in both good and bad terms all day everyday on socialgo's get satisfaction and no one has ever complainied or said go complain at Ning's site.

    I prefer the Ning platform to the Socialgo, but at least Socialgo is confident enough in their public relations to not try to censor its members.

    I understand Ning's reasons and don't hold it against them. I do thingk they should have handled it in a better way and I think that they should give us more ownership over our members.

    I will gladly purchase a license not to have to transfer all my members to a new site which I will eventually have to.
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    Maybe they should allow a separate network platform just like Socialgo didw with ZOCKU ??? Especially for that 'adult' stuff?

    I believe strongly there is a big market for it... but maybe they are afraid of the excessive bandwidth most adult network absorb, but, then again, when adult networks exceed bandwidth and discspace, allow them to buy or rent extra bandwidth and discspace?

    I mean, they allow all kinds of !@#$, groce pics on different networks wich make me vomit (think of rotten.com) but sexual pleasures are such a taboo in this puritanic system.
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  • censorship will never lead to solutions.if we're not interested in solving problems i worry what that means.
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  • This reply was removed on 2009-06-03.
    see the change log
  • good post but i do believe that these posts are the best for documenting Ning. I don't agree that Ning is a scam but I have to say that the blog is pretty dead on. http://www.chartingstocks.net/categor...
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  • i just tried ZOCKU and i found the interface crippling to design .Members cant even customize their profiles:(
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  • Yeah, tried it too... it sucks, next to that, it's extremely expensive and way too difficult!

    I think NING should start a separate platform also for erotic stuff, just like all big services do..

    Two PLATFORMS:

    - One for the decent housewives who like nothing but quilting and be a good churchgoer
    - One separate network for the ones who like to be a bit nasty ;)

    When you join the adult platform you KNOW what is going on there, so also no reason to complaign from 'big investors' or 'advertisers' it will create it's own world!

    I prefer the NNG system above Socialgo, it's much easier, only, the company is a pain in the neck a lot of the times...

    NING, create your own Zocku too and you will get many members BACK
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  • does ning answer ANY of these highly commented posts? whats the point of this site?
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  • Mine was not adult, it was just saucy, and it was private, I even made sure I marked it so non-members could not see beyond the first page, and there was NO NUDITY on the first page. I also selected to hide my private networks from other ning members. my saucy club was for members only and by invitation only. I want to protect children from accidental nudity, but they are still punishing me and ignoring me. I asked them for help with my chat and now it has been in maintenance for almost 4 days. Not one reply from them, keeping me in the dark, no beeh or meeeh or kiss our as*. Nothing. you mention some notice of 30 days I have not gotten anything.

    I took over a network that was active for 5 years owned by my ex best friend, and then she and the club just vanished into thin air, many members were furious. When I invited my favorite old saucy members, to my saucy (I had permission to take it over) I promised them this one is here to stay, now I look like I am a lier. My word matters to me, people have always been able to trust me when I said you have my word, now I will never get them to join another one, not after the second saucy has vanished, well, as I said I do not know what is going on, but from what I see, they are working on deleting me too. I just wish I knew what kind of inconsiderate selfish network they are and how they mislead people about what they REALLY do here. If they will not delete me and restore everything the way it was, I will be the first person to OFFICIALLY apologize on every post. I have no problem admitting I was wrong, but I almost feel like suing them for my time, every second I wasted creating and writing and perfecting and inviting people to join.
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  • I asked Ning - took 2 months to get a serious and accurate reply about this too.

    You can't have nudity ANYWHERE - in ANY stage - even covered breasts on you network.

    We ended up making a flickR account and using that now. The second NING network is gone and I only have the one generic place.

    For the record the "adult" nature of my site: Artists making art that (oh no) has stages of undress. Most drawn occasionally the use of screen caps from the show... that's it.

    No porn, no sex, no horribleness, nothing but breasts (on occasion). Its how our fandom rolls, its what the artists make, and it was too much for Ning - or so I found out after a LONG drawn out ticket session with them.

    Shout out to *Jenny* again for being the ONLY person on the "ning team" to explain the situation without contradictions and give me a straight answers on what is and isn't allowed here.
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  • Xena..according to ning's stated policies nudity does not always equal adult material.

    see http://blog.ning.com/2008/12/a-few-up...

    As it relates to the Ning Platform, adult networks include, but aren’t limited to pornography and depictions of sexual acts. To clarify the point, networks that contain or are focused on the following topics would clearly fall into the adult category include:

    * Pornography or images of sexual acts
    * Nudity intended to sexually arouse the viewer
    * Graphic photos or videos
    * Fetishes

    Some examples of topics and content that would NOT be classified as adult include:

    * Networks for heterosexual, gay, lesbian or transgender individuals
    * Nudist networks
    * Networks for educational, medical, or clinical purposes that contain nudity
    * Breast Feeding networks
    * Art containing some nudity
    * Travel networks that include content on nude beaches
    * Networks promoting safe sex
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  • Lol Demon its a resolved issue and YES it does involve art - unlike it says - this was my protests/questions throughout the entire ordeal.

    ****I have spoken with NING directly about it I was told that our art is not covered in the lesbian or artists section even though its lesbian art.****

    If they didn't delete ALL of the old tickets with the revamp I would be happy to post what they told me verbatim.

    (I wish I had a dollar for every time I saw that policy)
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  • They them selves, the owners wrote about it on wikipedia, Read here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ning

    I did get a notice today that my networks although not fully adult, did contain quite a bit of adult materials and I am asked to move my networks or remove all adult content. So I am moving. Best of luck to you guys.
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  • They try to come off like it's a moral decision, it isn't, they do not allow adult content because they have to keep their advertisers happy. They can provide us with free websites because advertisers pay to rent space to run ads on your sites . Ad-sense wont buy advertising from adult content sites and that is the bottom line. Members on adult sites also tend to upload porn videos that they don't own and that creates a copyright infringement nightmare for ning .They need to nail down the rules on this to clearly define what content is acceptable and what isn't especially pertaining to art .I bet that would be funny to read tho .I can just see it ...
    Posting tasteful nude drawings is acceptable , Posting Bridget the midget Itty bitty gang bang videos is in direct violation of terms of service.
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  • They just informed me that they are no longer ALLOWING members the 30 days to transfer their content but they didn't specify how long we have. They have to be a little more flexible. I put my network online for a couple of hours so my members could receive my email about the change and save their content, they took me OFFLINE again.

    I want a lawyer, lol.

    Part of their email:

    I really appreciate your request, and I'm sensitive to the position you're in. However, we gave adult Network Creators a month's time to make the appropriate changes to their Ning Networks or to back up their content in December of 2008 when we discontinued our support for adult networks. However, this transition period was back in December and our Terms of Service has prohibited adult content for nearly a year. As such, we won't be able to provide you with 30 days at this time.

    Again, I apologize for this inconvenience and we wish you the best of luck on a new platform.

    Thank you,...

    HA! All the apologies in the world will NOT make up for the damage they have caused me.

    Too bad they never told me in time.
    They had my email address, they could have sent notices to us.
    But their team is too small to deal with us little people, so now we are screw*d
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  • I totally understand the "advertising issue" - I work in advertising, I am a graphic artist... This is why I asked a HORDE of questions 80% still went unanswered in the "ning ticket scandal of 2009".

    I eventually gave up - took everything off XAG and moved to FlickR. Its not the best place but it is working. XAG is right now dormant with 2 members left - the mods.

    Finally Jenny came on and said what is and isn't allowed. Bare breasts that are covered - which do not make them bare - are only allowed if no one else is touching them... I "think". I have no idea anymore. :-(

    The only thing that kept getting said was "it can't excite the member" well hell I got news for them... lol shoes excite some people! So either ning is an office of male horndogs or they really just hate lesbian art.

    All is good now - I learned that EVERYWHERE has this same rule (and it is written the exact same way), Socialgo, Groups, the others I can't think of the names... so we ended up at FlickR.

    Ning is here only for PG and Rish content. That's how I see it.

    Best of luck to you Grace! I know your pain!
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  • I’m jealous of 50 cent
    Grace-
    I recommend getting a pop celebrity to endorse your network. Ning doesn't delete anything if a famous person is involved, no matter how hard core the content on the network is. I don't know why more people aren't exploiting this obvious loophole.

    see here: http://www.getsatisfaction.com/ning/t...

    As long as Ning keeps 50 cent's site up and your site down you could have a pretty strong legal case.

    good luck,
    Scott
    (future owner of "Ewan McGregor's Ejactulation Emporium" network.)
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  • I had a celebrity a couple who are personal friends from my old modeling days, Louise Glover, Veronica, Jenna J. Who has been a member for over 2 years, and I met her at one of the parties. People joined my club because I protected their privacy, made everything in their profiles invisible... even if people can't see your content they will still shut you down, they are nothing but a bunch of prudes. I guess, they need to get laid to lighten up. My theory is if someone doesn't get some for a long time they get nasty and envious of anyone who is getting some and erotic content aggravates them like hell. It is not a myth, it's a fact. Human nature is to procreate, our bodies and minds go coockoo after it hasn't released the GOOD hormones for a long time.

    They need to f**ck like bunnies and open their eyes to the world. And if they are getting some it must be pretty blend and boring that they have to punish us.
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  • I’m optimistic
    And please people be very careful, ZOKU if you check the adult content box will take you directly to a 49.99 a month plan, and that is THE ONLY PLAN they offer for this ZOKU, who advertises and comes up in searches as FREE adult networking. Since my club is totally free to members and I have no intention of asking them to pay, I can't pay 50 bucks a month for a free club.

    I tried to look for a downloadable software to create my network because I yesterday purchased my network name on godaddy.com great prices by the way, I found the dolphin software, but the hosts they recommend will also not host adult networks. It's a big marry go round.

    If you want to wait, I also found wackwall which is sympathetic to our networks being shut down by ning and want to help even with the exporting and translation, but they are working on their software, they will open in Oct. You can sign up now, but will have to wait to build your network.

    As I mentioned before. If you can sign into your network when it's offline, open each tab, go to the left top corner of your browser, go to view (page source) (select all) (copy) and paste it in your email or something but in the subject line post which page it is from. You can do it that way or save the source html as a webpage.

    That is the ONLY way to save anything, since ning didn't care about us little people and has no way provided for us to export our hard work.

    Hope it helped a little. And if you are interested my network name is saucyparty, Whatever it will end up being you have to search for it as both words together, other wise you will get a bunch of crappy results.
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  • You know it just kills me, that Both my sons, My Babies, are fighting for the freedom of people like those two who take it away.
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  • ROFL you are so cute...lol
    Thank you. Hee Hee
    email me so I can invite you when I start my Own Ning type Network ;)
    except I am a sex therapist and promote sexual relief to take place every day many times a day. I am also of European descent, so I welcome people with an open mind, who want to express them selves. I just have to buy the software, right now it's a little difficult. So guys as I mentioned before search once in a while for saucyparty and if it's up, you will be welcome to join and create what ever you like. drgraceg@gmail.com
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  • gracejg check this
    socialparody.com
    create free adult social network
    • Unless you piss them off unintentionally and they ban you and your network on a whim (talk about unprofessional) - or if you really like hard core porn and love getting spammed by the other members with their porn - yeah then they are your goto guys.

      Hard corn porn sites do not equal a sex therapist site...

      Grace for your legit site its not the place for you - I think you are doing the right thing and becoming your own boss, I can't wait to see it up and running. ;-)
    • THE CREATOR OF SOCIAL PARODY SEAN BROGNA STOLE BIGDICKCLUB OFF NING.COM AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT NING.COM GOT RID OF ADULT SITES AND OVER A YEAR AGO MY FRIEND HADA 9000 MEMBER SITE ANDSEAN STOLE IT FROM HIM TO MONETIZE IT-NOW NOONE GOES ON THERE SO WE JUMPED TO GROU.PS AND GAINED OVER 1000 MEMBERS IN JUST THE PAST MONTH
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  • socialparody's interface sucks, sorry but it does. I did try them, I have been trying almost every network out there that I've found on yahoo, dogpile, mysearch, ask, bing, booble, parthanon and google search results. I am better off starting my own network with the same software as NING. I just have to wait financially, because My Hunny spent 5 days in the hospital and they are trying to bankrupt us with the damn bills. Responsibilities come first before fun :(
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  • I’m I HATE NING
    Zohra socialparody.com is pretty nice, (before I was thinking of socialgo.com) the creator is very friendly and helps you if you have problems... if you want to wait a bit... wackwall.com is coming soon, they are just working out the final kinks... but they seem to be the closest to ning in features and ease of use. I just wish they would get a move on... it's already almost Nov and they promised to release the software in Oct. To me, broken promises are the same as lies. Makes me really second guess their customer service when we come up with problems, and time of their response?...

    I am also wandering why in the world is NING still displaying my networks as "taking a short break" or "being in maintenance" REMOVE MY NETWORKS or allow me to save my pages, or will you hold it hostage until I finally call in the SWAT team?...lol.

    You kicked me off so Delete my networks and say: "This network was deleted from our server". Stop miss leading people who are looking for my club and my advice column.

    They are emailing me asking ME when will I be done with MY maintenance?.

    Take a little responsibility for what YOU!!! have done TO ALL THESE PEOPLE.
    Stop hiding behind the internet wall and mommies skirt.

    I WILL ALWAYS ADVISE PEOPLE TO STAY AWAY FROM NING AND WILL TELL THEM WHAT HAPPENED TO ME "AND HUNDREDS OF OTHER NETWORK CREATORS".
    THEY CLOSED MY NETWORKS BUT KEPT ALL MY USERS PROFILES ON NING. -HYPOCRITES!- I STILL SEE USERS WITH PORNOGRAPHIC PHOTOS AS PROFILE PICS ALL OVER THE NING NETWORK. THEY SAID IF I SEE THEM TO REPORT THEM.... HA!!!! LIKE I AM GOING TO HELP THEM IN ANYTHING. PRUDES!

    MY ADVICE COLUMN REALLY HELPED PEOPLE IT WAS NOT JUST SOME STUPID PORN SITE. IT ACTUALLY SAVED MARRIAGES!!!
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  • Have you guys reviewed Xitti? http://xitti.com/
    This is the adult version of much awaited WackWall that someone mentioned here: http://wackwall.com/
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  • I’m frustrated
    Well ning I believe is no longer in business. See for yourself. http://ajarn-donald.ning.com like this for the last 72-hours or more!!! Donald donzoy@hotmail.com
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  • The first and fundamental step is to setup a high trafficked SEO site in order to increase and maximize free traffic potential from search engines; you can also check the DMOZ adult directory for your competition. You can check www.adultionary.com , I'm not sure if it's still up for sale though.
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  • Let me guess you are not a teacher or in the education related field. Am I right to assume this???
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  • I’m confident
    you can always come to my ning sites and join and ill make you a admin

    just chat with me at following sites

    http://www.sodmoneygang-online.ning.com

    http://www.Theundergroundiconz.ning.com (my site)

    and

    http://www.PlatinumsquadEntertainment...

    talk with me and we can set up a plan for you to make a new site and ill pay full upgrade for you :D
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  • well after reviewing this old thread I come to realize many of you could use oxwall it is the open source versions of xitti and wall.fm yes you run it on your own server but its great I use it for my site and we are doing fantastic see for yourself at http://wickednation.net we run a great adult community and are growing pretty good
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