Start Limiting Daily Submissions

Request to Start Limiting Daily Submissions per Category.  Some Users Over Publishing.

Hi Scott,
If this situation continues, and you do nothing to change it, I will leave the site.
Today, our usual polluter just posted 50 pictures of flowers, out of 72... look for the error.
I’m sick of it.
I have already warned about this by requesting a daily submission limit without success.
Today, I am again facing the problem, which is becoming unbearable.

Do something or it will end badly.

Cordially
Gérard
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  • Hello Gérard,

    Submit a ticket with the user's information using the Help icon on the bottom right of the Submit page and we will discuss this.

    https://www.pixoto.com/v3/image/submit
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  • Perhaps that is the only category that the user is photographing?  I post a lot of images in the categories that I like best. I don't think that the "competition" is a bad thing, but 50 does seem a bit excessive. However, if the person is a "pro" contributor--they pay for the privilege of posting. Pixoto has lost so many that have participated over the years. I am sad about that! Of course, some people try it out and do not continue. But seems like the population on here is less than half of what it was in 2014, for example. Would limiting the number of posts per day make more people quit the site? I do not want Pixoto to leave!!!!! 
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    Gerard, I understand your situation.  Such high rates of "participation" are nothing more than an unabashed attempt to dominate a category.  Already, the awards at Pixoto are greatly diminished by virtue of the diminished pool of participants.  Daily awards are largely meaningless now because the algorithms used to compute winners (questionable as they already are) require more duels than typically can occur now in 24 hours.  Regrettably, people tend to abuse situations when there are no rules, and over submission is an abuse for which there are no rules right now.  Such over submission formed part of my own withdrawal from Pixoto last year; and though it is nowhere as bad in the Animals category at the moment as it is in Flowers, it had certainly gotten out of hand there also.  Frankly, I didn't like the impact my trying to keep pace with another participant intent on "winning" was having on my work:  it became redundant (and, indeed, the Animals category suffers from this because of the medium's impact upon  viewing entrees - note the absence of Environmental portraiture in the category.  Ironically, this kind of animal photography is really what SELLS in prints, not anything you find on display in the category at Pixoto) and I became terribly bored and disheartened by what I was submitting.  I understand the technical tribulations Scott and others are dealing with here at Pixoto, I thank them for all they do, but I do believe at some point when they are able they should look at ways to reduce the wild west, frontier behavior of some of those who seek to make a category their own personal domain.

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    Today, same situation about the same person : 26 pictures on 50 submitted. It becomes silly, annoying but also frustrating because we realize that no one is doing what it takes to change it. It is obvious that submitting so many images at 3 am, she systematically squats the top of the classification, because we know that it is in the first half hour that the notes are made.
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    • Hi Gerard,

      Thanks for your input.   So based on what you are saying, a simple enough fix would be to not allow images with the same owner to vote against themselves until they have X number of votes or have been in the system for Y number of days.

      What do you think those numbers should be?

      Or perhaps simple enough rule such as images by the same owner submitted on the same day can not duel against each other?
    • Hello Scott,
      I just got back from a week off, which is why I’m late.
      No, I wasn’t talking about that kind of amendment.
      As our friend Renos just pointed out, several months ago, if not years ago, we asked that the daily bidding process no longer accept these massive bids, and allows only a certain number of images per category, per day and per person. A limit between five and ten, say 6...!
      While I am convinced, contrary to certain, that this will not discourage members of our community, it will, on the contrary, have a reverse effect.
      in addition, I do not agree with what has been said, concerning the Status of "Pro"... Paying for this status does not give the right to do anything!!! This is clearly a lack of respect for other members who are trying to respect a certain ethic.
      Cordially
      Gérard
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    These are not acceptable solutions, those are Cosmetic changes!

    I, and others, have made frequently so many constructive suggestions and proposals about limiting submissions to maximum 5 - 10 images per day and category, since over three Years (3) now, whith no result, its always "Under Consideration" i gave up.

    2016, last year 2018 and this Year 2019 i haven`t entered any images and
    If Pixoto does not fix some key issues im not willing to show any images next year 2020 either.

    Over Years nothing happens, it lacks on willingness to make those nessesary changes!

    Pixoto will reach the point of loosing more of the good photographers, its a great pity !


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  • I am not opposed to limiting the number of submissions in a category. I am just looking for a clear definition of what problems it causes as very similar images are not allowed.

    If it is the user's images dueling against themselves, this can be prevented until after weekly awards.

    If it is that it biases award distribution, this can be prevented to base awards on a max number of images per photographer for the category. For instance if we based max on 5. If 19 photographers each submitted 5 images, end 1 submitted 25, then awards can be limited to be based on 20*5 = 80 images.

    These changes are not cosmetic and the system would behave as if they never submitted the images provided the quality of the users images is not significantly better than everyone else in the category. Based on the users account that has been referred to, this has not been the case.

    BUT, we could even go as far as limiting the number awards a photographer can win in a particular category/time period if there is a fear of this.
    For instance, if you submit 25 images to a daily category and your images are the top 25, you can only win a max of 5 awards, so the person in the #6 spot would get 6th place. This is not cosmetic and in this case the overall system would behave in the end the same as if the user had only submitted 5 images.

    However, these restrictions would not impact the monthly and yearly awards, so if a user submitted 25 images on the same day, they would behave as normal after weekly awards have finished.

    These changes could be done faster that rewriting the submission system which is more involved due to the numerous ways of currently submitting an image (web,mobile,app)

    Additionally, if everyone can communicate to me any other concerns, we can address those as well.

    I want everyone to understand we are working very hard on the site right now and we have released massive changes behind the scenes that are going to allow very fast improvements in the future as well as a much more stable platform.

    As always, your feedback is very much appreciated.
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  • Being that I have not gotten anyones response on this matter since my response 6 days ago.  I am going to move forward with blocking a users own images from voting against each other for the first week of submission. 

    I have reviewed this matter and I do find it annoying to see a users own images voting against each other out of the gate.  You can expect to see this release within the next week.
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  • So, despite the fact that several people have asked you to LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SUBMISSIONS BY CATEGORY/DAY AND NO ONE, I see that you don’t give a damn, so I take note, and I know what I have to do.
    Renos, Raphael, Dennis, and everybody else, I think you got it. There’s no point in wasting time on this site.
    Scott, I thought I could trust you, and I think I made a mistake.
    For the short story, I advise you to study the category flowers, for a week now and to look at the behaviour of this person who submits more than half of the images alone, day after day... it is distressing.
    • Hi Gérard,

      You are mistaken, I do care and you can trust me. I value your opinion and I want to find a solution that will make everyone happy and make sense. As I have stated previously, I am not against limiting submissions and I am willing to do this. I just feel it is a very aggressive first step to try and solve an issue that can very well be solved more effectively in another manner.

      I would appreciate your patience and I am asking that you let us first try and solve the problem in another way that does not involve changing the numerous submission points.

      *** Effective today (1 hour ago) we did a release that will now prevent a users images from voting against each other until that images votes have stabilized. I think this, if anything, will address a large part of your concerns. Let's monitor this first step and we will continue to perform additional steps until everyone is satisfied with the outcome.
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