Best Photographers of the Year Awards schedule?

Now that 2014 is here, will there be a schedule of Best Photographers Awards for each category being published anytime soon?
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  • Hi John, I will ask and reply here when I get the information.
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  • Are we going to use the same ridiculous method as last year ? only we ended up with a top tog missing out on an award whilst another tog who had one very good image and several reasonable ones getting in the top 20 !!

    And no its not sour grapes ! Mind you i don't see the point of looking further than the existing method !! after all we rank images daily, weekly, monthly and ultimately yearly, points are awarded and we are ranked on a leader board,? then at the end of the year for some unknown treason the whole system is thrown out so 20 togs some of which are well deserved a place in the top 20 others may only enter a dozen images a year or have a lucky streak on one or two will be awarded top 20 for the year, !!!
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  • Do you have any suggestions as to another method of selection, Ralph?
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  • stick to the one we have ! why else have we been competing all year if not to end the year in the highest ranked place we can ?

    To decide all that has no value because we are going to base the year on a togs ten best shots when in some cases they might have only entered that many is daft

    let the Leader boards tell the tale of the year not ten lucky shots which in some cases it was last year, Definitely not in your case !
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  • Best Photographers Awards for each category will be next week, not sooner then January 10th. We will inform you about schedule before we start assigning awards.
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  • So am I right in assuming that yearly awards will be given out at the same time?
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  • And what criteria will be used to decide the best photographers of the YEAR ! there best 10 images or there years work ?

    Example,,, Me...

    I have been in the top 10 in animals most of the year and only dropped to 12 & 13th place recently, so based on my awarded entries for the year i am in the top 20 photographers but as i have not had 10 high 730+ scoring images i will not be in the top 20 photographers of the year !!

    They are not the top togs of the year they are the top togs for there 10 images....IT IS NOT A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF A YEARS WORK !!

    The Leader board is !!
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    Hmmmm....
    I guess another way of looking at it is that one could accumulate a LOT of points with lots of second or third place work or even top ten%, but never really be "the best"... They may be consistently above average, good enough to accumulate points, but not necessarily good enough to win consistently or have the highest scoring images. If you submitted lots and lots of pics, you might get lots and lots of points and climb your way up the ranks that way.
    OTOH, as you mention, Ralph, someone could only submit a few exceptional images and end up on top, but they'd have to submit at least ten high scoring images, right?... That's almost one a month... I would think someone with ten exceptional images that have high scores might be deserving, maybe even more deserving than someone with 100 very good, but not exceptional, images.

    Not sure there is a "right" answer here... but I would add that a lucky "shot in the dark" so to speak would not average out as a winner if the rest of the tog's work is subpar or even average...

    I have no idea how the rankings are currently tabulated - For the life of me, I can't figure it out... Is it strictly based on this years awarded points?
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    top photographer of the year should not count points at all- we don't want to reward those that cheated all year. Submitting a lot of images doesn't make a photographer good either.

    What makes a top photographer is someone who has scored the highest, the most times, with completely unique images.

    To me- only one of a winning composition should be counted. This would discourage over using a winning concept- like dropping colorful bell peppers and citrus into water. The person who won 2 months using very different images is a better photographer than the one who wins 8 months with very similar pictures. Its harder to come up with totally original ideas. Those that win by duplicating the composition of a winner is a copycat.

    The best photographers are those who are able to think up compositions that have never been photographed before. And they are able to do it repeatedly. You can't fake true vision. Either photographers have it or they work hard to imitate it.

    The photographer that only enters 10 images all year long- and all 10 are unique and winners- this isn't luck. This is a far better photographer than one who submits 3,000 high scoring images and has 30 wins- but they are all pretty similar or are copies of other photographers concepts.

    Just my opinion
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    Well in that case dont call it the "Best Photographer of the year"

    and call it "The Best Photographs of the year" !!!!

    Because you are not awarding the Togs Years work but his best 10 shots !!

    As to the case of "repetitive images" the top 20 will include these images because they were voted highest scoring in the daily, weekly, and monthly ranking and awarded the highest points........ exactly what is being discarded now and on one hand praised as a tog submitting high scoring images but on the other hand some repetitive ones !

    I have worked within the rules of Pixoto i have not flooded the submissions with masses of similar images or at least there has been significant enough differences as have many of the top ranked togs, and i have been consistently awarded top 5% and top 10 places which is bloody hard to do !

    If it was easy then there would be loads of you up there knocking me off my spot ? to get to the end of the year and be told that it was all for nothing is unacceptable !!

    Either award the top togs of the year based on the rules followed throughout the year ! or change it to the best Photos of the year which is what is being awarded according to last years rules.
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    Ralph, how are the rankings tabulated throughout the year? I can't quite find it listed anywhere - IS it by points awarded? That's how it seems, except there is no breakdown of how many points a tog has awarded for the current year or for which category (as far as I can tell)... If its spelled out somewhere, I can't locate it.

    I am not sure exactly what the complaint is - if someone has a single exceptional image scoring 800 and 9 images scoring an average 600, they will still not have as high an average as someone with 10 images scoring 700 or even 650. OTOH, by using just the "points awarded", someone might indeed have a very good image that did NOT get a huge amount of points awarded because there might not have been a lot of competition that day, week or month (or it simply got overshadowed by another even more exceptional image and missed out on top awards).

    Of course, this also doesn't take into consideration that some categories simply don't have the same number of entries as others, which means that the images don't get the same high points awarded. Does this mean a photographer in, say, News and Events is not as good as a photographer in "Animals"? No matter how great a "news and events" image is, it will never get the same points as a winner in Animals or People.
    It also seems to me that the award shouldn't necessarily go to quantity over quality... I find J's concept interesting, except that it does pave the way for the good folks at Pixoto to decide what images should be counted and which ones are "copies" or repetitive, which will undoubtedly cause more problems than its worth... Some categories do lend themselves to submission of very similar looking images - there are only so many ways to display a sunset, for example, or a train. I am not sure one should be penalized for that...

    I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just not sure that choosing the tog based on the most points accumulated is necessarily the right way to get to the cream of the crop. Consistent excellence should be awarded, IMHO, but if the end of the year awards are based on a tabulation that isn't obvious, then the Pixoto team really should establish exactly what the criteria is, and base the rankings throughout the year on that so that people know where they stand.
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  • BTW, take a look at News and Events... The final for the year includes a ton of *very* similar images from several different people who all seemed to be at the same event at the same place... The pics are wonderful, but after the first couple, they do lose their impact...
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  • The awards are by category not across the board so all animals in one selection all transport will have a different top 20 and so on...... as to how the points are awarded thats a mystery its based on a percentage of the number of entries in the category for the day week month and there is a break down giving each place in the top 10 a percentage then 5% get considerably less and 10 & 20% get such a small amount that it is never going to make a difference to the points total.

    In fact if you only got 10 & 20% awards all year you would stand no chance of getting off the bottom half of the leader board, on an average day a 20% award is 18 points in animals, if you add in 5% awards then you might make it past the middle to maybe the three quarter mark again an average daily score for 5% in animals is 150 ish points, so with top ranked where they are you have to get top 10 awards to be at the top of the leader board and the higher you are the better your scores have to have been !

    The link to the animals section is here

    http://www.pixoto.com/players-photogr...

    Just change the category to look at other categories !

    Also look at the scores for the top 20 placed players (thats what Pixoto call us so it is considered a game that we are competing to win ?) if you look at the scores achieved in a year and see if its possible with multiple low scoring entries ! or as i suggest you have to enter good images get good places not always top places not even always high scoring images but they have to pick up high places in the daily weekly and monthly ranking to get there....... then what "sorry it dosnt really count anyway"..... or is it going to be done a fair way this year ?
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    I think we are thinking alike, just saying it differently, Ralph. I guess what I don't really understand is, even if the yearly awards are tabulated by the top ten images of a photographer, is it actually possible for someone to beat out the next guy with a few lucky images? Its still the average of ten images, and IMO, that's probably enough to determine the skill level of that person, rather than using points accumulated.

    Let me use myself for example... I have been submitting on Pixoto for about 3 weeks. I've done pretty well, I guess... As of this morning, in the "Cats" category, I am listed as the #7 "player" (I agree, lousy term). I've submitted something like 100 images (not all in that category) during that time, but obviously, 3 weeks isn't a "year's worth of work". I've had a few pretty high scoring images, but nothing that makes you go "WOW!" (at least, it doesn't make ME go WOW). So, my placement could be tabulated by my ten top scoring images (think the highest one is running ~739) which probably won't get me in the top ten, or by my award points, which puts me in 7th place out of some 5000 contributors (at the moment). On one hand, I think people with a couple very high scoring images should be recognized. OTOH, I think an across the board successful body of work should be recognized as well, BUT would add that while small numbers of points per image might not get you in the top ten site wide or in some of the bigger categories, it actually *could* get you recognized in smaller categories....

    Still not sure the best way to do it...
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    Any changes to a system of accolades needs to explained at the beginning of a new year - not the end. People need to be able to read about the rules, regulations, and means of award BEFORE they decide whether or not Pixoto is for them. I posted my photos earlier this year (2013) based on information that was provided to me at that time. My understanding that the award system was in place and that that was the system under which my images would be judged. To change that system now (end of 2013) would mean that all players and people who came aboard prior were playing under a set of rules for 2013 that changed without notice. That is not ethical. Changes to awards for the year need to be announced now and then put in place for 2014.
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  • All the awards are correct and have been awarded as described, what is in discussion is an additional set of awards that are awarded at the end of the year and what information is used to base the decision ?

    I believe the basis of awarding Best Photographer Of The Year on a selection of 10 images is unfair and it should be taken directly from the leader board which is what we all have been working to better ourselves too !!

    That or change the name to "Best Photographs of the year" which is what is being awarded really !!!
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  • I may be dazed by the snow storm in the northeast that just hit us, but I'm not quite understanding this statement, Ralph:

    "I believe the basis of awarding Best Photographer Of The Year on a selection of 10 images is unfair and it should be taken directly from the leader board..."

    When you say "taken from the leaderboard" what exactly do you mean?
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  • The top 20 Photographers who have achieved the top 20 places on each category leader board just like any other competition if you are in 1st place you are 1st number 1 of the top 20 if you are 20th on the leader board then you get 20th place in the top 20

    if you want to award for top 10 images then call it top 10 images because its not actually always the top ranked photographers who will get them ?

    Last year i finished no 4 for the year based on the points accumulated throughout the year i played the competition won the points and ended in 4th place !! i didnt even make the top 20 based on top 10 images and that really p#ss+d me off

    This year i will end in the top 20 again on the leader board but not top 20 "Photographers" and whilst i take my hat off to togs like you who can achieve both i dont agree with someone who just submits the odd good shot but not enough to get up to the top of the leader board getting credited as best tog of the year !
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    So if I understand you correctly, you are talking about Top Player rankings for the year and transferring those ranking numbers to Best Photographers of the Year. I think in some case, such as yours, Ralph, this would be an equitable solution. For many of us it would not.

    The tog, who is say, no. 1 in player rankings for the year in Animals has that ranking because he got a number of top ten scores and submitted between 20 and 40 images per day. But if you take his top ten scores average, I believe he ends up around no. 5 in that category for the year. Right now I think I will end up 3rd and I was 3rd in player rankings, so either way I'm in the top 5, which is my goal every year. However, to put someone ahead of me whose top score image was the same as mine (775), six of his ten top images scored below my lowest top ten scoring image, and entered more than 2400 images than I, ending up no. 1 in player rankings, somehow doesn't compute.

    Another example would be Roy Husada, who is no. 8 in player rankings in Animals, but who will be the clear runaway no. 1 in that category with his ten sparrow shots, four of them scoring in the 800's.

    This is not to say I don't empathize with your position and working so hard to achieve your goals, but in the two plus years I have been on this site it has always come down to your average top scoring ten images, and I don't see that changing without a firestorm from members who believe you should be entering your best photos, in other words, quality not quantity.
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  • I cant see it changing either but what is the point of a competition if at the end of the year after all the scoring, awarded points are worked out and we have a ranked list of competitors the final answer is...........

    Oh well sod the lot we will just pick another list of winners and the years scores dont actually count anyway !!!!

    Perhaps we could get an official answer to what the reasoning is, why at the end of the year we need to have two different compilations of winning lists and why the official one that is listed in the rules counts for nothing ?
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  • I hope the best photographers of the year don't follow those in previous years where they won with many duplicates or repetatives......
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  • consistency is important too....let's say a photographer produces one excellent image that scores in the 800s....does that make him a better photographer than the one who has three or four in the upper 600's or low 700's? I'm not sure exactly, and everyone will have a different opinion I'm sure, but, it's not clear cut so it needs to be a system that Pixoto decides and we either play fair and accordingly or not. In the end, someone will say they preferred another way of doing it. Not wrong, just different.
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  • Really, I don't know why they can't do both... Why can't Pixoto award the tog with the highest average of the top ten images and also award the tog with the most accumulated points? A "High Average" winner and a "High Points" winner would make the most sense....

    in the future though, it might make sense to use more than ten pics to determine the average... one or two pics in the 800s would be averaged out by 20 in the mid 500's or low 600's... Perhaps establishing a minimum entry of say, 24 images, which is at least two a month...

    I see both sides of this coin... Ralph has a valid point in that the person leading a category in points *should* be recognized. OTOH, the person with the highest image *average* should as well, but in order to achieve an average, there should be ample evidence of consistent excellence, so requiring more than ten images seems to make sense.

    As I mentioned above, its difficult for certain categories to achieve the same number of points as others based on the number of submissions... I don't think this should be the exclusive method of choosing a "site wide" best...

    JMHO
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  • It wouldn't matter but the " Photographer of the year" gets a badge on there home page and several thousand points both of which can boost there profile and position on the leader board !!

    Whilst the Photographer who has worked hard for the year gets Nothing !!!!!

    I agree with you Susan why cant they recognize both the Best Photos of the year and the highest placed photographers of the year.

    And as for only getting to the top of the leader board with mass submissions, if i didn't get top 10 places at all and only ever got 10 & 20% the points allotted would not get me off the bottom of the leader board !

    If i added only 5% awards to it i might get over the half way mark or up to 3/4 but to get to the top You have to get top 10 places !

    so it wouldn't matter how many entries i submitted there is only 10 places that would make any difference to my position on the leader board,
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    Here's something for everyone to chew on, as well as Pixoto staff, and perhaps satisfy those togs who think player position at the end of the year should be rewarded and recognized in some manner.

    Since player position means squat right now in the grand scheme of things, except for the fact that the top players for the year are shown in each category, as are the top scoring images in each category, I would suggest the following change:

    Under Accolades, an award should be shown for the top 20 players in each category, giving their rank, plus additional points for this award...something like 20,000 points for first, 19,000 for second and so on down to number 20 which would receive 1.000 points. Another way to do this would be to create a separate Players Accolade section above or below the regular Accolades section. The significance of both the Players Accolade and Accolades section should be fully explained by Pixoto as to how these awards are earned so there are not so many questions and complaints at the end of the year, as there have been in the past.

    Just a thought.
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  • I can see there is a lot of passion around this discussion. All arguments are valid but we have chosen a path in the past that we plan on sticking with. Here's a quick rationale:

    Photographers who submit very high number of images show up high in the player leader-board and have lots of awards. The annual leader-boards are persistent and a photographer that is on the top for a year will stay on the top always. We believe this to be a desirable outcome.

    The photographer of the year awards are a way to recognize photographers who have truly amazing imagery who may not be as active on the site. These photographers may win some awards but will not show up high in the player leader-board. The photographer of the year awards were designed to recognize this and that is why we focus on the top 10 images in a category.

    We have a history of doing it this way and thus making any kind of change requires a clear rationale for doing so. I believe that given the variety of the opinions on this matter that there is not a clear better choice and thus for this year we will stick with the existing methodology.

    I hope this helps.
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  • Well, I hope you review your policy, Jason, because it seems some folks work hard all year to gain their "player placements" and at the end of the year, you folks at Pixoto basically say "it doesn't matter". It would be really difficult to tally up everyone's average to see where one might stand for the year, which does make it a little difficult to compete... You either need to review and revise your top photographers system or review and revise your listing of "top players", which apparently are meaningless in the grand scheme of things... JMO
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  • How are players of the year - photographers of the year decided here at Pixoto? I am confused.
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    That is ok, but then award for top 10 images should be called "photo of the year" not photographer... IMHO - for example - if 1st person has one lucky shoot and that photo does extremely well and takes top place in that category and 2nd person has 10-20 photos in top 50-100 (2nd, 9th, 12. place etc.) and most points in that category then 1st person should get award for best photo in that category for year and 2nd person for best photographer in that category. That way good image would be awarded but also someones effort and continuos quality of images would get award...
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  • Jason They say it all ! and i totally agree

    I know the mass entry excuse was there in the past but when you cut the points for 10 & 20% awards to a meaningless amount and reduced 5% whilst increasing top 10 place award points the "mass entry" excuse went out of the window !

    Yes it is possible to maintain a top place on the leader board but only with a high number of good images ! we have seen a number of members rise through the leader board very quickly with the 40,000 + monthly awards for top place images just as we have seen the top leader board move into 6 figures just as quick !

    But your decision to run a competition encourage people to better there position on a leader board, where you number them "Rank Them" according to there points totals for the year, you change the points values to make it harder for lower ranked images to gain position on that leader board ( which is what you did when you lowered the value of 20, 10 & 5% awards whilst massively increasing the points value for top 10 positions ) only to discard the whole thing at the end of the year because it dosnt suit you is unfair to hard working members who have spent the year abiding by your rules !

    Your decision to award Photographer of the year to images with high scores, is flawed as has been said by many, taking 10 good images at some point in a 12 month period dosnt make them photographers of the YEAR there are members who are well deserving of that title but that is based on the leader board not your flawed rule.

    But i dont expect the decision to be reversed because 200 high scoring images in each category looks so much better as a stock boost than 20 top players in each category and the Market place is all its about at the moment !gain position on the

    Maybe this year you could actually market the site accurately and point out from the start that the leader board is of no actual value because whilst you encourage members "players" to gain position in the ranking it counts for nothing because at the end of the year the award is based on something that in 2013 was never mentioned ?? or did i miss the post suggesting members submit there best work to get the top 10 scoring images ?
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  • Also it was hard for me to delete my account, understand pixoto rules fully and their similar image policy but the photographer of the year award does seem to go out for those who don't really have passion and good eye than those that i have seen that have fantastic images.

    I am just here to base my opinions and believe that there are true photographers on here that get missed out.
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  • How to compute for the top ten images to be in the photographers of the year?
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  • A Quote from the Blog :

    " We want to make sure the Top Photographers have consistently great images – not just a few lucky shots"

    I thought you were basing it on there 10 best shots in a 52 week period ? that's not "Consistently" great images !!!

    I am getting pig sick of the way this site is twisting things to suit its self i used to think it was a great site and i would defend it when people knocked it but now, i find my self wondering why i waste my time, because what do we get out of it ?

    There;s no reason to aim for awards unless you get top 10 places because the points for the rest are pointless, & if you do aim for the points, why bother because at the end of the year they are binned as a waste of time anyway ! the topics for want of a better word are often based on "USA" not so much for the rest of the world, American football, baseball, storms just after you have the hurricane fire just after the forest fire, american flag !!!!!

    The only trouble is there is no other site like it to move to yes there are other sites but even with the flaws and the blatant favouring to more marketable shots i havn't found anywhere else to go,,,,,,,, but i am still looking because like i say at the beginning i am getting Pig Sick of the way you are treating us here
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  • So, out of curiosity, when does/did voting stop on the 2013 images?
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    • Not the answer I was looking for... how can you select the best photos of 2013, when the scores change based on images submitted in 2014?
    • We need to allow photos that were submitted on last day of the year some time to accumulate similar number of votes as other photos submitted earlier. The same system is used for every award (daily awards are issued next day on 3pm GMT so photos from previous day do compete with photos from the day the daily award is issued on, also weekly awards are issued next week on Wednesday and monthly awards are issued next month on second Tuesday).
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  • I am still curious how a site that runs competitions 52 weeks a year, that's 365 days so at the very least a minimum chance to enter 365 entries a year more if you enter more than 1 image a day, can justify a statement like

    " We want to make sure the Top Photographers have consistently great images – not just a few lucky shots"

    how can 10 images out of a minimum entry of over 300 and that's allowing for a 2 month gap where no entries are made how can 10 images be classed as "consistently great images" ?

    If you are going to invent your own rules to suit your own needs at least try to make them believable ?
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  • In the wedding category, as you can see, I am first with a large different from the second and a very large difference with all the others.... do you think is by luck?.... can you calculate what is going to be my position with this way of scoring..... do you think that is fair? I am very sorry about your decision...
    so one player that only kept his best ten images will be the best potographer-player of the year? why didn't you say that before so I wouldn't spend so many hours voting and playing every day all year around.... why should i collect so many awards and scores..... if you can win this contest with only ten image with great score...? I thought that the purpose of the game is to play with many photos, if this is the new rule then nobody will play and we will only try to get the best score which in most cases earned by luck... in a few words I don't think that this is fair and i dont thing that ten great photos make someone the best photographer......

    ps. if this is the rule why we cannot see the list of the best scores for each category for the last year so that we can calculate our position in the scoring..... or at the best photography of the year table the system doesn't calculate the results so we know at all time what is our position....after all we all play for being in the best photographer of the year wall....
    the system is not fair since a photo that earned a large score by luck or mistake now have much more value and the voting system error is now multiplied by much more... all the scoring systems that want to avoid these kind of errors is spreading along as many samples as they can to avoid the multiplication of an error.... so why not the best photographer to be te one who has the best score in his best photo?
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    • MojKutak :implying that Sofia has 'poor quality' in your comment above is ridiculous. The wedding category doesn't have as many 700+ images as the larger categories of People and Nature... top images for each day have lower scores than the top images in the other categories due to the number of images submitted. Also, there are numerous 700+ images out there of "poor quality" images that get voted up for reasons beyond my understanding....
    • MojKutak Portal your are nobody in this game.... and nobody gives a f... about what you THIMK
      can you explain this... http://www.pinterest.com/mojkutaknet/.....?
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    One thing that has been made very clear through this and similar threads is that Pixoto don't actually give a toss about our opinion and will do what they want anyway !! the lack of discussion and input from Pixoto as well as the firm no we will do it our way from Jason at both ends of the thread neither of which could be called discussion prove that !

    Well i am sure the same will happen next year as it did last but can i again please ask that if you insist on ignoring the majority of posts and do what you want anyway, could you at least change the name to "best photographs of the year"

    a, 10 images in a possible 365 daily competitions is not enough to make them best photographer of a YEAR! &

    b, By giving the award to people who have not achieved what you tell us to do all year but merely submit 10 good images is an insult to anyone who has !

    There was some talk of possibly giving awards to both the usual and the leader board top 20 dose the decision to do it the same way you always do end the discussion on the 2nd set of awards ?
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