Leading image is digital art and in wrong category but Pixoto doesn't care ....

This image http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra... is not suppose to be in landscape/starscapes. If you look at EXIF data, it is impossible to have such result during 151sec exposure, no trailing stars, no blur clouds etc. Even if you don't look at EXIF it is impossible to see stars during sunset because there is way to much light in the sky. Yet Pixoto allow this image to compete against images that will never win as this is NOT REAL.
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  • I’m frustrated
    the most important naughty thing is photographer had caught SUN and Stars , Day and Night Together ... these are the people who are liked by pixoto team they never do anything to them

    i feel this image is mixing composition of 2 images
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  • Its really great image/digital art but its not fair to be competing against "normal" landscape images. Even if is composed from multiple images, final result has to appear realistic. So i see it as a cheat against other players.
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  • I’m frustrated
    All of this profile is loaded with such images only :(
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  • I’m frustrated
    The stary sky is same only below pictures keep vary
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  • Jasenka (Official Rep) June 09, 2014 16:35
    Hello Nikola, I will ask for clarification about this photo.
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  • Amazing ... i even didn't bother to look at his profile.
    Ah well, we should all do the same as it is obviously allowed, no one really cares here anyway.
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  • Many of the *leading* images do not represent photographic excellence imo. What they do is show that the artist has a really good grasp of using editing tools.. Many of the top pics are garish, over-saturated and unnatural looking. How they can be classified as photographs is beyond me.....Setting up a spiralled stem, spraying glycerine water and photographing the image with different computer generated flower images or photoshopping the heck out of an image of two boys jumping in water and manipulating/stacking images just isn't where my interest lies.

    I can't even begin to tell you how frustrating I used to find this. I have now solved it by submitting my images to proper stock sites - where I have sold images - I don't need phoney meaningless votes to validate my work. I am comfortable enough in my own skin as a photographer - and all my work (by choice) is done without Photoshop or any of the major editing tools. To me, that is what photography is about. Obviously that's a personal choice, but for some bizarre reason a large percentage of the community here seem to prefer the other stuff.

    There are some great togs here - I have learned a lot by looking through webpages, but there are some days that I vote and it's like *WTF was that?* Sometimes it's so painful I just skip......

    It would be nice to see more diversity in the photographs of models submitted - it's all a bit vanilla at times......but hey ho - my choice to stay or go :-)
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  • :) ... milky way over sunny beach or whatever it is http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra....

    Dawn ... i don't mind people use editing skills, its still part of the photography. There is no perfect image straight from the camera, it always require some post processing, some people over do it but that doesn't bother me. What is bothering me that people present image as something that is not and it gets acknowledged by moderators of photography website. I mean one thing is to run a website for image uploads but if there are set of "rules" to make competitions fair then there is need for knowledge about photography to manage such website. So why some rules are broken and other not, it's mystery to me. I also understand that is impossible to look at every image but because this image is on #1 position overall it caught my eye. Why doesn't caught eye of moderators and why community need to report and complain about obvious issues. Its not hard to monitor first 10 images in every category.
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  • Trevor has some really great images, why not drop him a line and ask him how he captures the sunset and stars.

    It may be that he takes a few shots and the blends the shots into a single image. Normally when you take a shot of more than 30 seconds you will see the stars begin to trail. A way round this is to use a device that moves the camera minute amounts to track the stars across the sky. The DIY version is called a Barn door tracker. Other more expensive options are Astrotrac, iOptron Skytracker, Vixen Polarie.

    Some togs use a torch to light the foreground or he may have taken an earlier shot and blended the image together. All of these options are valid for astrophotography and takes skill to produce great images.
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    • Bill, i am not entirely agree with you what is considered cheating or not. I mean duplicates and using someone else images is obvious but i also consider cheating if you use something in your advantage over other players. For instance i think this is not real landscape image and it has advantage over others because it looks unusual, not seen before, i mean come on ... when have you seen such image in front of your eyes in real life? That's what people like to see, dream scenes, completely unknown ... yet its not real and has advantage over ordinary great looking sunset. :)
    • Thanks Bill, i also respect your input but it simply does not work for me, sorry. And in fact i agree with you there are complex techniques to capture "impossible" but those (im)possible elements can't be put in same basket and to say: This is what i saw with my own eyes and i captured it for you with my special techniques.
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  • Jasenka (Official Rep) June 09, 2014 18:19
    Hi all, I got clarification that photo is fine in Landscape category.
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  • Since everyone's weighing in with their vote, I'll throw my hat in the ring -- I have no issue with this being in Landscapes.
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  • It's a joke, one rule for one and one for another, no single standard for everyone.
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  • I’m indifferent
    I think "Best Photographers of the Year" title holders have different set of there own rules.
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    and to complicate the discussion... it is not the sun setting, it is the moon rising... perhaps that has a bit more bearing on the 'light' pollution aspect.
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  • Joyce

    At last someone has seen the light.

    If you really want to further your knowledge on how this beautiful image was put together then drop Jasenka a line. Trevor has been kind enough to provide me with the details on how he composed this image.

    Great technique but simple enough when explained. No massive post production, no drop and insert stars from other images and no SUN.
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  • I don't really care where it is but I am curious if it is one image or a composite?
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    Terry

    If you were going to take an image where the foreground and background has different exposure levels and parts of the scene is moving how would you try to achieve an image that your eye sees. Your eyes have millions of years evolution and is able to adjust for this correctly. The digital camera however is only a few decades old and has limited capabilities. If you expose for one part of the image then another part of the image will be either over/underexposed, what Trevor has done is to try and recreate what his eyes saw at the time.

    Its not new and nearly every landscape has used this technique.
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    Age old argument. "how much is too much"... it's been raging since the days of Ansell Adams manipulating his images in the darkroom. Bottom line - do what feels good to you. If other people like it and vote for it, great. If you don't get votes, it's not what people want to see. *shrug* Does it matter? If you like the image and you are happy with your work, be satisfied and happy that you have done what you want to do.
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  • Nikola its pretty simple actually!

    Digital Art – This includes photo montages, fantasy scenes, constructed landscapes, artificial scenes and any photo compilation that is surreal or unreal. If it isn’t even trying to look real – put it here. IMPORTANT: all components must be your creations. NO STOCK PHOTOS.
    • In addition

      Photography Photoshop/Post Processing Rules

      In an effort to find the best, and most striking imagery, extensive use of Photoshop or other post processing techniques is allowed in all categories. However images that look like “digital art” rather than photography should be categorized as such.

      Also since you posted this if you look at the image you posted it says right on it that it was a setting moon, and that the Main shot( suggesting it is a multiple shot composition) was taken at the listed settings.
      Hope this helps
    • Thanks Martin, i don't have problem with using any technique or using as many images you need to capture scene that your eyes see. Since camera function completely differently than human eyes photographers have to compose scene from multiple images, various exposures etc. After long exposure camera even reveal much more than our eyes can see in darkness because there is colour to everything just not as visible because our eyes adjust to overall ambient light. So all this is not unknown to me. My argument was - is this scenery realistic or not. If Trevor truly captured what he saw that night then as i said previously its great image and thanks to him showing to the world.
      But ... if this picture is taken in Ontario, on 6th of June 2014 (EXIF) moon is illuminated 60% and is at almost 45 degree angle. Would be much higher than in picture and it would be half visible. Also other parts in scene like illumination of the sky from moon is a lot more than it usually is, even super moon doesn't spread so much light. Sky gradient from orange to blue to black and so on.
      Still for me this is unbelievable image to be seen as it is presented and i categorise it as fantasy.
      Anyway, I don't have intention to argue with this further, everyone believes what they want and i respect that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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  • Nickola

    You should read your first post.

    " If you look at EXIF data, it is impossible to have such result during 151sec exposure, no trailing stars, no blur clouds etc. Even if you don't look at EXIF it is impossible to see stars during sunset because there is way to much light in the sky. Yet Pixoto allow this image to compete against images that will never win as this is NOT REAL"

    This is Trevor's interpretation of the scene, and the accusations made unjustified.

    The foreground being shot with long exposure of 251 sec and the stars shot at 6 sec. The 2 images were then blended together to give his view of the scene.

    He gives a time of 02:30 which pretty accurate for moonset on that day and region, i am not about to start questioning him on the exact time of the shot.
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    • If it were lilies, would you even bother try to explain how they interpret the lilies, how they did it, why it looks unreal, why too much waterdrops, why the background is too blur, etc. etc.?

      If you're trying to prove a point, make sure you're too consistent and don't blink an eye. Look on the issue not on personalities because you will just look fool if your will be contradicting what you've been fighting for in this site for a long time.

      Have you not whining for wrong category since time immemorial?

      http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
    • Garces

      As usual you have nothing to add to the post other than that constant irritable whine about the Pixoto removal of your similars and duplicates.

      This post is beyond your comprehension of photography, or indeed have the understanding to be able to decipher the original wording of the post.

      I have pasted it here but i feel that is a waste of time

      " If you look at EXIF data, it is impossible to have such result during 151sec exposure, no trailing stars, no blur clouds etc. Even if you don't look at EXIF it is impossible to see stars during sunset because there is way to much light in the sky"

      So let me try to decipher this all for you in simple steps.

      1. it is impossible to have such result during 151sec exposure,

      Answer: 151 second exposure was for the foreground,

      2. no trailing stars, no blur clouds et

      Answer: a second 6 second exposure was for the stars.

      3. it is impossible to see stars during sunset because there is way to much light in the sky"

      Answer: It is not a sunset it is a moonset

      4. Nicola statement "its not real"

      Answer: Nicola has every right to report the image and i respect that right. However only Nikola knows if he based his report on not fully recognizing the initial EXIF data, or on the fact that he believed the image not to be real from his own personal perspective.

      Don't waste your time here, go create another post of your own and spend more time whining on about Pixoto's justification in removing your similars/duplicate/rotations and flips.
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