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Overrepresented Subjects

Hi All - we've been listening to your feedback and are trying to make Pixoto a more fun and interesting place for photographers and image buyers alike. One issue that we're trying to address is that some subjects are over represented on Pixoto. While these photos may be great in their own right - it can become tiring to see so many versions of essentially the same thing. We are planning on banning some over-represented subject based on member feedback.

What subjects would you like to see temporarily (6-12 months) banned from Pixoto?

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  • The lilies, and the train rail from Thailand.
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  • Thank you and while I applaud the idea, wouldn't it just be easier to enforce the similar image rule with a little less leniency? It is clear that it is a handful of repeat offenders and everybody here knows who they are and I have only been here for 3 weeks, so if I know, then you all must know.
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    • FYI Jason Viewbug only allows 10 yes 10 uploads per week for free accounts. just sayin...
    • Some weeks I enter more than others! And sometimes, only one or two to a category--sometimes, if for example, I have visited a salvage yard--then I enter lots of old cars in transportation for that week. I am pretty "diverse" in the categories I have entered. I do like the freedom to enter what and when I wish! BUT I do not like to see so many of the same flower from the same person, same whatever with very very slight differences entered. And then of course, the rest of us get wiped out! LOL But it does make me try harder, for sure!! Sometimes even with the descriptions of the categories--I have to figure out which category an image fits best--and twice my images have been "re-categorized" by the administration. That is just what happens! And it is not an earth shattering moment! I entered Pixoto originally, to work to improve my own work and because I enjoyed looking at the images from everywhere.
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  • This is a nice idea but not creative idea and i think most members will reacted negatively. Those people who want this ideas are the lazy togs.

    Just limit the subjects in each sub-category not the main category.
    Example: Category
    Flowers: Flower arrangement 100 a year limit.
    flower garden 100 a year limit
    single flower 100 a year limit
    flower in the wild 100 a year limit

    do the same with other sub category. But i's up to you to limit, this is only my example and idea
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    • Dawn F-P, don't look at the flowers that irritating you, don't vote for them and don't look at their profiles. These are just irritating you. Its simple! Water lilies in a lake grow differently and you can see water liliies in different locations. Photographers go out sometimes but not all the time because they have different work to do.
    • Well--I would love to have some one to go out and shoot with!! And even if several folks take the same subject--everyone's vision should be different. However, it is limited if it is one small flower... lol And I wish there were some water lilies near me...guess I'll go buy some roses and spray them with water and shoot! Oh, I am just being sarcastic--I realize that, Dawn. I am just against limiting the number of entries for any one person--if a group of people enter the same subject, at least it is all different people! All we can do is our own very level best. And hey--while I'm out shooting, think I'll go find an "Indian bonnet" to use...which I find odd as I am Native! ;) SOMEBODY is voting on those flowers--and we can't vote on our own images!! so maybe it's the people who belong to the site's fault?? :) I vote on the image I prefer, the quality I see. Don't care what the subject is!!! And I am packing a water bottle in my camera bag when the weather improves...
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  • Done -- and good idea. Thanks for asking for our feedback!
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  • Subjects are over represented on Pixoto, are you kidding? If I were a world traveler I would have a huge selection on subjects for you. Most people take pictures of the subjects around them. Some people live near lakes, oceans, seas and take beautiful waterscapes that I never get tired of seeing because I never get to those places. Some people take beautiful landscapes where they live and I never get tired of seeing them. II love seeing the photos of peoples pets and I never tire of seeing these. Some people take pictures of big cats, beautiful animals and I never tire of looking at them. When you have contests I never tire of the same subject matter in every photograph.
    If you have people complaining about the photos, tell them to go somewhere else. They just like to complain about something. If they don't like my photos don't go to my site and look at them. They are not dueled that often so if they are complaining they are going to my site. Everyone has different taste and there is no right or wrong. A clear sharp photograph with good composition should be voted for against a blurry photo (in a perfect world). Unfortunately people want the points so they can use them so they don't pick the best photograph or they accidentally click on a photo. It happens. Unfortunately competition can bring out the worst in some people.
    I know I can't compete with some of these professional photographers but when I look at their work it makes me work harder to get better. I may never reach their proficiency but it won't be from a lack of trying.
    As for subject matter being banned.................that could mean the best photograph never being seen. The negativity of the action of banning photographs because of someone complaining about not liking the same subject matter is ridiculous. If they don't like it, don't look at it. If you don't like the subject matter in a book, don't read it. If you don't like the subject matter of a magazine, don't look at it. Don't look at the same model wearing different dresses just because it's the same model. I could go on but I am properly talking to the wind.
    All of this is just my opinion and who am I? Thanks you if you read it all.
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    • I also agree with what Sue said, and said so well! Pixoto was not designed to be just a stock photo site--that is an addition to the site! I would hate to have anything 'banned' from the site, because some one would indeed be hurt or quit contributing, even though I do get tired of some of the subjects, that is a small issue compared to the benefit of seeing so many wonderful things!
    • Nice one Sue... excellent!
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  • Nice and great opinion Sue. The problem is the people not the beautiful and nice subjects that togs are submitting everyday. And people complain because there is a competition involve that's why members complain when they don't win. There must be a sportsmanship in here.
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  • Jason you just had been listening to few members of the site regarding this matter.
    How many members you've got thousands and listen to them through their work.
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  • If this is just a stock photography site why do they have the contests and give a rule that the pictures have to be entered in Pixoto. This makes me think it is more than just one thing.
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  • The logic of having this kind of rule has already been seen by Pixoto, that's why Jason is asking us to identify those images based on own our judgment. Surely it's not the end of the world. Time to get out of the swamp and move towards the river or towards the sea.
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  • As one of the new whiners, let me be clear. This site is advertised as a competitive site and has posted rules. If it did not have any rules, so be it, post whatever and as many similar shots as you want to, although you probably would then not attract many good photographers. Since it does have rules and offers cash incentives as well as a points reward system that allows you to be higher in rankings and therefore more likely to have your work seen and perhaps purchased, then the rules should be expected to be enforced. When people constantly post very similar or even duplicate items, sometimes even under multiple names, it dilutes everyone else's work. If you are only here to admire other people's work then have fun and enjoy it, but for those that want to get an honest assessment of our ability by comparing it to others and hoping for chance at either selling our work or perhaps being rewarded for it by winning contests, well we expect it to at least be somewhat fair. Clearly more than a few highly rewarded photogs on here achieved their rankings by very dishonest methods and it certainly is a factor in discouraging other talent from participating.
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  • I don't understand why Garces want to ban lillies and bridges from Thailand???..what's wrong with that?.
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  • Done

    There's a category exclusively for cats and dogs: Do they belong to over represented subject?
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  • thank you for the chance to give our opinion
    one thing that may help flesh out the other categories is the pixoto weekly challenge, create a challenge for the least used category that week
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  • Heres what i put up just the other day.....this is how silly its getting.

    Echo's Top 5 Tips to Achieve 700+ Image Score

    Echo's Top 5 Tips to get 700+ Image Score

    Hey guys, here's my top 5 tips to get 700+ Image Score here at Pixoto.

    1: Find two children, get a bucket of water & tell one of them that the other stole their sweets. Get your camera ready & fire away as the battle commences.

    2: Find yourself a Water Lily....don't forget your water spray bottle. Take your photo.....Open it in Photoshop....over saturate it so it looks like something from Avatar, Blur the background so much that it looks like its resting on melted candle wax & post.

    3: Find yourself a very pretty girl, Keep her eyes sharp & apply so much dynamic skin softener to the face so that she looks like a glass doll with makeup, Don't ask her to smile as she may shatter. Oh...if you want an extra 30-50 points.....Just buy yourself an Indian head dress.

    4: Find yourself an old Steel Railway Bridge. make sure its sunset. Oversaturate the image in photoshop so it resembles a Nuclear dawn. Dont set up your tripod on the railway tracks unless its insured.

    5: Take a trip down to your local Fish & Tackle shop, buy yourself a multicoloured net & throw it over some unsuspecting trout.

    If any of the above fail to achieve you your desired score. Find an alleyway & take 100 photos.
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  • Heres another problem Edson.

    You won the Accolade of 7th Photographer in "Buildings & Architecture" for the year 2013............

    The way it works it....Pixoto takes your top 10 images in that category & calculates the average image score.

    So 7th huh....out of 18,562 members.......thats fantastic huh. ?.

    Not really......you won that accolade with two different subjects.

    The Mosque & the railway bridge.....that won you 7th place. Two subjects......lol seriously. To me thats farsical.

    Oh hey buddy....im not saying this is your fault. You didnt give yourself the award. So im not blaming you....not entirely. I find it slightly strange you would post so many images of the same thing....but your choice hey.

    So....the words "Over Representation" Sums this up perfectly.
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    • I'm sure there are many other beautiful things to photograph.......and I'm sure many people would love to see some individuality and creativity. There are so many things in the nature and in urban life that make for good composition. You can grow as togs in your own right by developing new skills with new subjects rather than producing carbon copy images. Build yourselves a good reputation by showing you can do that - it's a big wide world out there - why not use you lens to show what else you have to offer? Thinking outside the box can really be a good thing.......
    • Dawn F-P, they are creative, that is why they have different beautiful photos. Look at their profiles again! Or if you are irritating to see their photos, don't look at their photos, don't vote for their photos and don't look anymore to their profiles or to the leaderboard. Just wait your award!
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  • Instead of banning images how about a new category?.... Cliché Subjects
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  • I don't like the words "banned" or "banning". You have photographers of many levels putting their photographs on Pixoto. You have invited us to join Pixoto an online community where photographers compete to have the best images in their category. To Quote Pixoto: "How do I get more Points (and more exposure in the directory)?
    It’s pretty simple – just consistently submit lots of great images.
    Q: What kind of Photos can be submitted to Pixoto Stock?
    Almost any photo. Please see our contributor guidelines for details.
    Pixoto Stock and Print Submission Guidelines

    Image Properties

    Images must be at least 4 million pixels. To calculate the number of pixels multiply the width times height of the image in pixels.
    Images must not be upsized
    Images must be correctly exposed and in focus
    We accept .jpgs or .pngs only
    Images must have a title, description and at least 5 keywords/tags
    No watermarks (including any text or date embedded in the image)
    No noisy, dusty or scratched images
    NO VERY SIMILAR IMAGES: Only one image of any subject and scene/pose combination is allowed (e.g. either b/w or color - not both). Same shot from multiple angles is NOT OK.

    Wouldn't it be better to ask the person breaking the rule to stop, but do it nicely.
    EX: We appreciate you putting you photographs on our site. If you could refrain from submitting very similar photographs we would appreciate you working with us making the site fun for everyone.
    Something like that.
    Please appreciate that we all use your site.
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  • Sue, I believe Pixoto has tried that approach. Unfortunately there's a small number of togs who constantly push the rules to the limit. Some just flat out cheat.

    I do question why Pixoto needs to ban subject matter. The subject matter is not the issue. It's the togs entering images that push the similar images rule to the limit. Banning subject matter is just going to create a new set of overrepresented images. There is already a rule for similar images. Tighten up the rule definition and enforce it at the tog level.
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  • It would be so great if we could rid the site of redundancy. However, I can't think that banning a specific flower, set of rails, species of duck, etc. is the solution. Perhaps if voters would stop being so predictable, the photographers would start being a little more versatile.
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  • After reading all this I decided life's to short and I am going to enjoy what I am doing. This is all too negative and pointless.
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    • I have to say that IF I would happen to get a lovely shot of a dahlia, and some one else has already posted about three hundred dahlias themselves, but it is my first really great shot of one--do I want it "banned" because that type of image is banned for awhile--whatever awhile is... and as for posting shot of water lilies--if that is all someone has near them, then that is what they will shoot! I shoot the flowers in my own garden, and love to travel to see different things, but sometimes all I have to shoot is what I HAVE!! And sometimes it seems as if all I have are sunflowers--yes, I have a lot of images of sunflowers on my page--BUT they are all different!! Different angles, lighting, heck--each sunflower IS different! I do enjoy what I am doing! And love to look at everyone's photographs--it has certainly improved and inspired me to try more and to work harder. And sometimes, gives me ideas for my own work. The idea of 'banning' a subject is not a happy idea!
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  • I really feel bad and sorry for those photos which didn't make it to the top. As what Edson said a bunch of us here in Hatyai, Thailand are just doing it for fun. Why are you so interested with our profiles? Anyway, lilies, the mosque, the bridge, and etc...are what we have here, we are very lucky to have them. So, we tried to do our best to make them look even more beautiful. I've suggested a solution before and they said they will put it into consideration. I'll bring it here once again. My suggestion to this problem is simple actually. To insure fare voting. Ex. If I submit a photo in the FLOWER category. In my image duels within that day/24hrs, I shouldn't be given any image duels from that category (FLOWER). And this applies to other categories as well. Because what happens is that, people vote for the other photo becuase they already know the photographer. And secondly, they want to vote you down becuase their photo is just next to the lilies. Then maybe limit the submission of lilies to say 3 in a day. What do you think?
    Let's just make sulotions and meet at the middle...
    • our pix are not the best compared to other "great togs" but we all share the same feelings when our pix go on top...FYI Asher Salvan and Juliser Salvan ( cousin) are non DSLR users but when they win they share their joy to everybody every time we meet on Saturday.... and we would just laugh out loud every time other togs would look down at our achievements....

      Let's just have some fun and enjoy while it last....CHEERS!
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  • However i too like to ban or some how limit over represented subjects..but i can not entirely go against it...As people are limited to geographical locations..not everyone can go everywhere and get variety of photos..people like to click what ever they have easy access to..as all here are not professional photographer, some are business persons or service persons, who has photography as hobby..so whenever or whatever they can photograph, they do.
    but that should be limited too..same subject can have variety in many ways..i feel..
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  • To be honest, the first time I joined pixoto I had a hard time getting awards. So I was challenged to be better. I decided to study and spend more time how to edit photos and now I had develop my own way of editing. As what kuya Edson said me and my cousin are using a point and shoot camera. We are limited to what we can do. My camera is good in macro so I focused on it. I tried taking some landscapes but it's just not capable of doing it. I want to have fun with my camera and pixoto makes me happy because my images are recognized though I'm not a dslr user yet. Thank you pixoto.
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  • You don't have to be a dslr user to take good photos - I have received awards with a point-and-shoot. In fact I still do not own a dslr. Ok - so I may not get the top award, but there are many togs who use a point-and-shoot professionally . Do not underestimate the camera you own - with trial and error you will find out more what it can do. No-one is saying you should take landscapes - yes, the macro is good on a finepix - I have looked at your page and you have some excellent shots - however of 102 images, 47 are the lily/lotus flower. Try playing with more settings, try focusing on different subjects - I'm sure you have more on your doorstep that what your portfolio represents ........
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  • To Edson Reyes et al:

    Don't take it too personal when I said "lilies" and "train rail from THAILAND". First of all I have only 1 vote to cast and maybe my opinion may not be the opinion of others just like you. However, lilies are an obvious over representation as you can see in the leader board from top to bottom where you can hardly see the difference from one image to another. I'm not against lily because it's winning, it's because too much of it has been uploaded time and time again with almost no difference from one photographer to another especially from your "group".

    Another over represented are roses. I have 16 in my profile, it's not because I like it but that's the best way I could get even with those lilies. If roses will be banned, then I will gladly welcome it.

    With regards to "made in Thailand train rail", Isn't it obvious that it has been uploaded by your "group" time and time again (check the latest submissions) with almost no difference but the clouds and the sun? Hello? Can't you not take a walk a bit farther along the track and find another angle shot or spot? Same spot? Same composition? Same Angle? A lot of train tracks in Thailand, take shots to your heart's content, then upload a fresh "made in Thailand" track then I'm sure nobody can say it's same old sickening images.

    By the way, Jinine Chen aka Vivero -- your friends are not forgotten. I just hope it's not Salvan and Salvan Jr., because most of their uploads are the same from previous two togs. You might wan't to warn them again same as you warned Jinine when she was busted and banned. Watch out Bill Goodman is watching you LOL.

    http://community.pixoto.com/pixoto/to...
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  • Oh yeah! I forgot the main topic here. Hello Garces!!! Single out the lilies in Thailand and the bridges, real fair huh! Then what about the lilies from indonesia, Malaysia and from other countries? Now, my account don't even think about it for a second that Juliser's account is also mine...Uh uh...no can do Mr. Garces. We are cousins and we have different cameras. See he's just new. I was here for more or less than 2 years now. You might wanna check out our facebook accounts to enlighten you a bit. https://www.facebook.com/juliser.salvan, https://www.facebook.com/asherjr.salv....
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  • Why do I feel like we are a threat to some togs. When we were in nature upclose we were always the topic. Solution? = to make a separate flower category. Now we have a separate flower category but still we are being expostulated not to submit our beautiful flowers. Do we need to have a separate category just for lilies? Hmmm...I bet Thailand people will still be in the topic....just unbelievable! I just wanna have fun, which I am doing everyday anyway!
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  • People know full well that prize money is relates to numbers of images entered in that category.- if you have a group of togs submitting - and resubmitting in excess 50 images each in one category per week, as a group that means they push up the money they get rewarded.
    If that's not abusing the system, I don't know what is.....
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    • Let's try it, if it is really the weekly prize money is the matter about the flooding of certain categories. Let us see if the flooding of certain categories will really stop. Nothing to loose! If not, it means people are just enjoying and having fun to share their photos and win of any awards. Goodluck to our photography!
    • Dawn F-P and Lenore, you can suggest it to Pixoto team or Mr. Jason Kiefer directly, if you think this is really the matter. And let us see of what will happen to that certain categories.
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  • These recent comments are very informative. For example:

    "yes there are so many subjects around and I've collected literally thousands of them since I started photography in 2008 but the chances being in the top 20% is quite remote....the group then discovered the lilies..."

    So you admit that you're not interested in submitting photos if they don't go to the very top? That's not a love of photography, that's not wanting to be here to have fun, that's only loving a "win".
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    • Ron, I bet this thread is being closely read by the powers-that-be. It's been a very enlightening discussion, especially lately.

      I'm with you on "exploring life through (your) lens" .... I have some excursions planned and am looking forward to finding, um, something new and different to shoot :-)
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  • Not exactly a crime to not have a love of photography or to only be here for the win, but it doesn't say much for integrity, does it?

    The bottom line for me is that it makes no sense to ban certain subject matter because a couple of people dominate the category with redundant and (eventually) boring, repetitive images. There may be other folks one day who might like to submit lilies, or train tracks or cows pulling men through the mud on carts. BUT there may be something to be said for limiting uploads to a specific category to one or two a day or a set number a week or a month. Or enforcing the "too similar" rule a little bit better (though right now, we can't even get miscategorized images moved in a timely manner, so I doubt the folks here are going to jump all over similar images.)
    Personally, for me, this isn't the right way to address this problem. It smacks of punishing everyone for the actions of a few.
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  • All the categories, to be fair. And make new categories. Refresh Refresh Refresh
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  • I’m thankful
    Let us love the beauty of the water lilies, as well as the other flowers, the beauty of the railways, as well as the other buildings and architectures, the beauty of the lions, as well as the other animals, THEY ARE ALL GOD'S CREATIONS and WE, PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE INCHARGE TO SHOW THEIR BEAUTIES TO THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD. I'm incharge with my location and you all photographers out there are incharge with your locations. Let us love and help one another. God bless us all.
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  • Ronnel....as heart wrenching as your above statement was.....Im not sure this is the place to be preaching about God, Last time i checked he wasnt an Architect, he wouldnt want "His" creations to be represented just for the competative aspect & certainly wouldnt want "His" beautiful creations to be so over processed.

    Because surely he would have created them so perfectly in the first place.
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  • I’m thankful
    This is for everyone: We cannot stop the people to like our photos, that is why our photos are always on top of the leaderboard. When the people stop liking or voting our photos in the duels, THAT IS THE END. We don't decide to be on top of the leaderboard, the people who vote our photos decide for us to be on top of the leaderboard. God bless our photography!
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    • How old are you, Ronnel, twelve? Pathetic...
    • Higher! No, I'm not pathetic! I'm fantastic! How about you? How old are you? You said, you don't want to talk to me, why are you still commenting. I think we can be good friends.
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  • Pixoto Team and Mr. Jason Kiefer, PLEASE , "NO" to CRAB MENTALITY in Pixoto!

    A crab mentality is a type of thinking in which a person tries to pull others down if he or she can't get ahead. The term “crab mentality” is used to describe a kind of selfish, short-sighted thinking that runs along the lines of “if I can't have it, neither can you.” It is also specifically refer to people who pull other people down, denigrating them rather than letting them get ahead or pursue their dreams. As a general rule, an accusation of having this type of mentality is a poor reflection on someone's personality.

    This concept references an interesting phenomenon that occurs in buckets of crabs. If one crab attempts to escape from a bucket of live crabs, the others will pull it back down rather than allowing it to get free. Sometimes, the crabs seem almost malicious, waiting until the crab has almost escaped before yanking it back into the pot. All of the crabs are undoubtedly aware of the fact that their fate is probably not going to be very pleasurable, so people are led to wonder why they pull each other back into the bucket instead of helping the clever escape and succeed.
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  • Ronnel, your mentality really tells how you think of yourself and your photography -- that is --- it is the best and others are just pulling you down to the ditch. For me, that is a selfish assessment of oneself. The new rule will affect everybody and not only you, so to conclude that it is designed to pull you down is absurd. Has Pixoto decided which images are to be temporarily banned? So what's the fuss? Are you anticipating the obvious? Well, maybe you're right, but don't get too paranoid, we're all here to enjoy. Good luck!
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  • The stench of desperation is getting stronger and stronger; there are some very nervous people out there............
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  • Jason, if you're out there..........this is going nowhere fast :-)
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