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I have posted this Image under Abstract water drops. Majority of my Images are placed in Abstract group. I do hope this image comes under Water drops as there are four Water drops with refractions. I am posting this because I have had two or three images recategorised to Animals with Sub Category Insects and Spiders......Just when my images had been right at the Top of the leader board in Abstract.........

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    The main subject appears to be an ant though...perhaps if there was no ant and just 4 water drops hanging, you would have a case.

    The title even alludes to the ant: "To have a sip"; what is having a sip? The ant!
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  • I will change the title Then.........

    Michael .... If there are just 4 Water drops hanging I would not have created this Topic !!!!!

    If two Subjects are prominent in an Image, I think the Category can be chosen by the person who posts the Image, I guess..........

    Would like to hear from the Admins........
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  • I am not admin but to me it appears that the ant is the primaray subject in the pic.
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  • Aroon, I have to agree with the others that the Ant is the subject, but I am curious as to why you do not want it listed under insects? Broadening the number of categories your work is listed under just broadens your audience and potential customers. The image is a beautiful depiction of an ant, I think it would do better in the insect category than in abstract.
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  • I agree as well. The eye catcher is the ant and your title is also related to the ant. Who is having a sip? the ant.
    And by the way it's a nice picture

    who is having a sip? the ant.
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  • Sherry, I am more interested in the Artistic...... Just some Drops makes an image Dull . It was not supposed to be a beautiful depiction of an Ant ,But to be an Abstract of a Drop Shot....

    Michelle.... I quoted earlier If it is the title That is Bothering you people I can Change it.

    By the Way a girl relaxing in a Sunset scene is posted both in Landscape with Sub Category Sunsets/ Sunrise and Also in Category people with Sub Category "Portrait of Women" How come the Photographer has the Right to place such Images in Categories as They wish? ( I have seen Umpteen images of this type in Both Categories)

    Here I am just asking the Prerogative to be chooser in which Category one can place ones Image taken with some pain ( A drop image can be taken with half the effort I made for this image)
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  • Aroon, the problem is that the Abstract category is for truly Abstract work. An abstract image is one that does not depict a person, place or thing in the natural world - even in an extremely distorted or exaggerated way. Therefore, the subject of the work is based on what you see: color, shapes, brushstrokes, size, scale and, in some cases, the process.

    An image of an ant can be considered fine art solely dependent upon it's composition and quality. We must reserve the Abstract category for actual Abstract images.

    I hope you understand
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  • I’m hoping hard that this will be allowed!
    The irony here is that if you put the image in spiders and insects - someone will undoubtedly come along and moan that it should be in abstract - waterdrops!

    I agree with you Aroon - for the simple reason that both the ant and the waterdrops are in perfect focus and both could conceivably be the subject.

    It is the same for a flower (in perfect focus) with an insect attending (also in perfect focus) - it could be in either flowers or in insects and spiders. Or for a web with a spider (both in perfect focus) - these photos are able to be in more than one category.

    The only time I feel that players are taking chances are when they post a great photo of an insect on a VERY out of focus flower in the Nature - flowers section for example.

    For these dual subject photos - I vote with Aroon that the photographer should be allowed to submit in the category of their choice.

    Stunning photo!
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  • Abstract :-

    Existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.

    ????????

    And Yes it is Stunning Photo !
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  • I’m hoping for a serious revision of categories and sub-categories
    Abstract indeed Ralph - yet the option exists for water-drops in the abstract category... as does the option for a macro - yet there is not macro sub-category in animals - difficult!
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  • Yes dificult indeed, there should be a sepparate catagory for "macros" insects, close ups etc....

    In this case all i was meaning is, it is very dificult to fit some very good images in a set box when the lines are blurred

    Yes the photographer should be entitled to pick his category but it is unfair on others if it dosnt really fit ?
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  • I would say.. that when you have two main topics in a photo..where both compliment each other.. and together they form one image... it is a judgement call... the topic isnt necessarily the ant.. it isnt necessarily the water drops.. it is a total overall picture of a Ant sipping a water drop... or a Water drop being sipped by a Ant..... one with out the other would not make a complete picture.... even though each could stand on its own.. it is not the same.. it is the combination of the two that create the entire photo...
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  • Well, if you ask me, which I know you are not, but lets call a spade a spade. It should be in digital art. The obviously FAKE water drops are added to the image thus it should be competing with other altered photos and not in the photography category. Even if I could suspend the laws of gravity for a moment, it does not take a rocket scientist to see all of the alterations. Maybe you should start carrying around a water bottle and stage your photographs rather than trying to alter them later if want to compete in categories other than digital.
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  • Derrick, unfortunately there is no such rule, composite and photoshop altered images are permitted in all categories now unless they look like art rather than photos. That said, I'm also not convinced those drops are fake since the base of the drops is a different shape on all, additionally the hairs on the plant would easily support the weight of the top drop. The reflections also appear to be at slightly different angles as I'd expect, and maintain their aspect ratios which they would not if it was the same drop "squished" to look different.

    I would however like to know why there's a paper crease one third of the way between the two curves of the plant, this is obviously a photo of a picture (the exif proves it's not a scan).
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    Derrick..... Dont question My integrity . I will give the unedited Jpeg image to admin or to you to show the Drops are real. Darrel Raw I never Fake my Drop shots. I was Taking the drop shots when The Ant came as an Unexpected Visitor.

    I will Edit my Images,Yes. mainly because my Sensor has dirt. No editing was done with the Drops and Ant.......

    the Drops used here is Glycerin placed very carefully on the hairs of the plant using a syringe. the Ant as I said was unintentional, But when It came to investigate,I took the Opportunity........

    I have made a tutorial on Red Bubble how I take Drop shots with Refractions.
    Here is the Link http://www.redbubble.com/groups/the-p...

    I think you should take a look at work of this man on Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuntbea...

    and also this Lady http://www.flickr.com/photos/venkane/...

    Sad That people like Derrick and Darren can show off thier expertise so Blatantly without fully knowing the Facts

    Gaia And JoAnn...... Thank you for the Support.......
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    Aroon, thank you for proving my point. They are not water drops, they are fake. "the Drops used here is Glycerin placed very carefully on the hairs of the plant using a syringe" which you then photograph over other photographs, further proven by the similar image in your profile of the same ant on the same vine using the same 4 drops of glycerin with a completely different image as a background. I think there is a rule about similar images too but I digress.

    You are a brilliant artist and a great digital editor. There is no denying that. My point was that the category is "Water Drops" and your photos, by your own admission, do not include "Water Drops". If that is questioning your integrity than I am guilty. Regardless of what I say, you will continue to win duals and awards. I personally believe they should be in digital as altered images rather than the pure categories. Maybe they need a "Staged Studio" category?

    Now explain to us again how you do not modify your photos.

    P.S. and " The Ant came as an Unexpected Visitor." is kind of amusing as ants seem to make "unexpected" visits in a lot of your photos. I would also like to point out that allowing that lil guy to drink glycerin is cruelty to animals. I know it is only an ant but endangering an animals life, for you photography, is UNACCEPTABLE.
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  • Derrick.........

    the Drops in this image of cource consists of glycerine. but the drops are not faked, is the point I want to make.the ant of cource came and went after sniffing some times without any discomfort.

    Yes I used a leaf and a Flower as Background for the images.hence BG in two images are different.

    what I am saying is that at least 95% of my drop shots are water and you should not point out they are fakes.
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  • come On Derrick........

    In this Image I may have made a misclassification in Classification on Water Drops.And I myself will change it into macro or Something. Just want you to know That The Drops I take are real and more than 95 % with Water. I dont Photoshop Them

    Done. Changed The Category.
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  • I’m chewing sugar-free gum with glycerol in it...
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    WOW! What a hot topic!

    Just as a matter of interest Derrick - if you look online (Google, etc) for photographic forums, tutorials, etc. to assist with taking photos of "waterdrops" - you will see that a large percentage of the "waterdrops" in the abstract category (and in other sub-categories - such as Nature up close: water ) are in fact glycerin. What are you proposing then - that all the photographers who use this method (I am not one - so am not being defensive) "own-up" to a technique? Then Pixoto needs to change its policy and state categorically that only pure water (with no additives of any sort) may be used for the abstract waterdrops category?

    Darrell, the paper folding (also highly visible in the droplets) is part of ensuring focal distance for multiple drops as far as I know. Aroon might be able to correct me. I tried some of this droplet photography and (partly because I tried to stick with water only) decided to remain with "natural" rain-droplet photography only - it is seriously time-consuming to get all the bits in focus.

    This photo (http://www.pixoto.com/images-photogra...) is pretty much guaranteed to be glycerin droplets. Top photo of all time in abstract: waterdrops.

    Lastly, glycerin is largely non-toxic, although it might give that ant a bit of a runny tummy... I suspect that nature is not suffering greatly (if at all) from having glycerin splashed around wildly.

    Aroon - kudos for raising the topic - darn shame that the photo has been placed in the animals category (unless you chose to place it there). Still believe that it has a completely firm place in the abstract category!
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  • I’m disgusted
    Gaia,

    According to Drugs.com glycerin can cause "serious side effect such as:

    severe stomach pain or cramping

    bloody diarrhea; or

    severe rectal pain, bleeding, or irritation.

    Less serious side effects of glycerin may include:

    diarrhea;

    nausea or stomach discomfort; or

    mild rectal pain or burning.

    This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Tell your doctor about any unusual or bothersome side effect. "

    And that is in people, just imagine what is can do to an insects digestive system. Although I appreciate your input, just because it is a common practice does not make it acceptable. The harming of animals for photographic purposes is never acceptable.
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  • I’m still chewing gum with glycerol in it...
    As I said, that ant may get a runny tummy - and you are right, no animal should suffer for photography's sake - so I hope you mind where you put your feet when you are taking photos. Also hope that you have absolutely NO pesticides in your household (I don't - am avidly against pesticide use, buy organic, use organic, advocate natural pest control, etc. - one of the reasons why in a tiny garden we have an incredible insect diversity).

    Nobut seriously - getting back to the topic - are you requesting that Pixoto redefine the policy regarding droplet photography to exclude glycerin?
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    Thank you for your concern. I am always conscience about leaving my footprint in any foreign environment. I think it is our responsibility as photographers. And no, I do not use chemical or pesticides in or around my house. As an an animal activist and the owner of 24 pets of my own, I do not even use traditional cleaners. I use botanical oils and plant extracts, but I do thank you again for your concern and bringing attention to this.

    And seriously, back to the topic, I am not requesting Pixoto ban or redefine policies. I am suggesting they consider a "Staged and Studio" category for the "specialist" photographers who shoot in a staged or controlled environment. I think that would level the playing field for the realist photographers who follow the rules. That way they could submit hundreds of similar photographs without effecting the chances of the people who are trying to compete and follow the rules at the same time.
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  • I’m amused but fairly delighted - have a lovely day!
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    Yay! respect re environmental responsibility!! cool!

    Back to topic - trying to enforce something like this is seriously tricky. I am a "realist" photograph taker (one day hope to earn sufficient creds to call myself a photographer - and I do not mean Pixoto awards LOL). It saddens me that some folks resort to serious photoshop and HDR techniques in order to "win" - but it is part of the contest and I take a level of enjoyment out of seeing some of my pics competing against (and even occasionally winning) some of the heavy duty post-production images.

    The water-drop thing - I still see no problem with glycerin being used. Although do hope that it is being applied with a dropper in order to limit environmental impacts.
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    a) There are no harmful side effects for ants eating glycerin. It is in fact used as a food source for many captive insects. Insects do not suffer the same complaints as mammals, they have evolved to digest a large variety of sugar based foods.
    b) Water is never pure, even distilled water contains some impurities.
    c) The current policy of Pixoto is to allow photoshopped images in all categories. Aroon I commented on the paper crease because without explanation it looks like the entire image is a photo of a photo. I don't really like the idea of using a photograph as a backdrop, but it's not against the rules to do so provided it's your own work, so lets just leave it at that...
    d) I think perhaps it's time we ALL started to consider what we've been doing here. Singling out a photographer to publicly harangue about his photographic techniques/style, even though he is playing within Pixoto's rules, amounts to bullying and quite frankly I'm starting to feel dirty just reading some of these threads.
    e) It's possible to have these discussions without using Pixoto players as examples, I know we all have our frustrations at some of the things that go one here, but we don't make the rules and thus shouldn't be punishing anyone because we don't like their techniques. Again, if Pixoto allows it, it's legit - they make the rules.
    f) Rant over! Happy shooting to you all!
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  • I’m about to pop another gum with glycerol in it into my mouth...
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    Well said Darrell!

    Still think it is a darn shame to have Aroon's image resubmitted to animals though - would have loved it to give some of the seriously over-photo-shopped images in Abstract a good run for their awards...
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    My Good ness..........

    When I came home from Office I Thought my Thread will be Finished. But it is Still hot and Active. when I Posted that Image I forgot that I used Glycerin. heck I remembered it later and what havoc it created.

    for Sure 95% of my Drop shots are with water drops. And after reading This Topic I will think twice about using glycerin anywhere near Ants or other small living things.........

    thanks all for the active Participation................
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    whew.. what a wild ride this threat was....

    Since day one, I have never been comfy with Pixoto placing the waterdrop category into abstract...

    I think they need two droplet categories... one for those splash ones that are beautiful and gorgeous and totally man made and created in a studio.... .they are wonderful photos, have never seen one I didnt like...but such a fast difference between studio created droplets/splashes... and a drop of dew or rain drops on a leaf or blade of grass..or something that nature provided.... how does a droplet of dew on a blade of grass fall into an abstract category, there is nothing abstract about a droplet.. it is , what it is a drop of water, moisture, dew etc.

    This doesnt resolve the glycerin debate.. which I don't really have an issue with but am just saying that I cringed when I saw Pixoto put waterdrops category into abstract....
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