Uncategorised??

What is the uncategorised category for? Right now its filled with shots that do fit in other categories?
I've just read the description...and confess I wonder why it's there. I presume it still costs the same amount of credits to enter, and for that you gain nothing? Do you get awards...which also seems wrong.
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  • I’m confused
    I do agree, this is unclear. Before not-categorised uploaded pictures were automatically blocked when trying to submit. Now by coincidence pictures go into this "uncategorised" category and changing the category is impossible....
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    I imagine if they change the category to the correct one the points gained on the shot will be lost and they will have to start again. It just seems an unnecessary complication and confusion for people.
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  • Jasenka (Official Rep) June 29, 2014 10:51
    Hi Terry and Ad, Uncategorized category is for users (and photos) who do not want to categorize their photos or so not care about categorizing their photos. In uncategorized category all subject can go and we will not change category or moderate duplicates and very similar images in Uncategorized category.

    Award will be issued but there will be no points. Upload cost 10 credits per photo, same as uploading to each of the categories.

    You can still, as always, categorize your photos during submit stage and they will be submitted to category you have chosen.

    I hope this helps.
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    Why give awards though? That seems to be pointless and even unfair to those who put their shots in the correct place. I can see this being misused.
    Why don't people want to put their shot in the correct category, , its not hard. All those I have seen so far can easily be put in the right place.
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  • I mistakenly uploaded a photo as "uncategorized" and now I can't change it. I wonder if this category is full of new users making mistakes like me.
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  • For some additional information about the uncategorized category please read this blog post. http://blog.pixoto.com/2014/06/new-su...

    I would love to hear your feedback. Certainly the hope here is that people will use it if they have a lot of images to upload but don't have time to fill out the category for each one. If we find that it is being used in some other way or is detrimental to the Pixoto experience - we will make changes.
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    I still don't see why you are giving awards-and I presume you cannot enter a shot in this and also in one of the proper categories?? Or at least I hope you cannot.
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    Obviously the Pixoto Team have way to much time on their hands to come with yet another stupid waste of time. Why are the team not working to sort out the problems that are constantly being reported and constantly ignored. UNBELIEVABLE
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    To me, this doesn't build Pixoto up, it instead drags it down. By allowing duplicates in this category, Pixoto has immediately created an unfair playing field. It's hard for me to comprehend how it can be thought that competing in that atmosphere is something that is "fun".

    And to then award those who don't have to play fair with the exact same award that the rest of us earn legitimately is, frankly, insulting to everyone who plays by the rules.

    If someone wants to upload a lot of images but doesn't have the time to categorize them properly, then they certainly don't have a lot of pride in their work and absolutely are doing it only as a lark. That should be discouraged, not encouraged!

    This also raises another question: if someone can upload a lot of images, where did they get the credits to do so? If they've got the time to vote in the duels to rack up the credits, then they've got the time to properly categorize their uploads.

    I realize that people do struggle over categories. To me, the answer is to make that easier rather than side-stepping and avoiding the category issue by getting them to lump their photos into one big free-for-all. For those who are legitimately fussed over what category to choose, it would have made a lot more sense, in my opinion, for Pixoto to create a category called Pending, which would cost zero credits to upload to, until the actual category is chosen of course, where the photos would sit (maybe for a while) and not duel until they get categorized by either a Pixoto staff member or even create trusted members of the community who could have access to choosing the category for photos in Pending. Heck, you don't even have to go that far -- just create a Pending category that has a field for category suggestions for each photo in it and encourage all of to regularly check the Pending category to help. Encourage staff members to do so as well. The person uploading the photo could read those suggestions to help them make their decision and then spend their 10 credits to upload the photo.
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  • Can the Uncategorized category images be sold?

    Please explain the point - "Are submitted as editorial only (Pixoto moderators will make the best market images available as commercial stock)"
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    Okay Jason, I have more comments to add besides the lengthy comment I already left here. I just clicked on your link and read through. The following is based on what I read.

    Firstly, what's with this: "....you don’t have to spend hours using tedious drop downs to get them in the right categories and subcategories". Hours? Hours! Exaggerate much? But it gets better. "....the single biggest obstacle for people to upload photos is the amount of time it takes to type, categorize and subcategorize each one". Really, that's the single biggest obstacle? I must have missed the questionnaire. I don't recall ever being sent a survey that asked me what my biggest obstacle was to upload photos. I don't recall that ever being asked in this forum.

    And I would contend that it's not an obstacle whatsoever. I just uploaded a photo as a test .... it took more time staring at the screen waiting for the image to upload than the actual process after that -- once it was uploaded, it took mere seconds to get it published. You don't have to type a single thing. I didn't this time -- no title, click on the category, click on the sub-category. Done. Seconds.

    Then there is the issue of quality. Early on, the piece states, "Furthermore successful mutli-subject categories like Black & White have shown us that we can get great photographic diversity and bring amazing photos to the top of the leaderboard in mixed subject categories.". So, that sounds like you're expecting "amazing" photos to be in this category. Pixoto has high expectations that the images will be terrific, right? Hold on, not so fast. Read a bit more and suddenly that tone has changed. "We believe it is likely that the overall quality of Uncategorized images will be lower than that of more carefully considered submissions." So, now, Pixoto expects the photos to be lower quality than in the other categories and, perhaps worse, also contends that the choice of Uncategorized is done by those who do not carefully consider their submissions.

    Yet, Pixoto wants these same people, who don't have the time or the inclination to "carefully consider" the images they upload, to "choose a few hundred (or thousand) images and try them out." So, let me get this straight. In order to upload a few hundred, at 10 credits each, the member is going to have to already have a bucketload of credits. That's going to require a lot of voting, yet by the article's own words, they are being uploaded without careful consideration. That doesn't leave any confidence that they are going to be voting with careful consideration either.

    Then there's the issue of the utilization of staff time. We've been told numerous times that the staff don't have time to act on reports any faster, we've all seen photos that are obviously miscategorized winning awards because the report team just can't work through the reports in time to prevent that, and we've been told that Pixoto can't police its own categories because there isn't enough staff to take the time to do that. Yet, I read this, "Pixoto moderators will go through the best of the Uncategorized images and assign search terms/keywords so that they will appear in the correct stock and art shop searches." And, there's also this, "Pixoto moderators will make the best market images available as commercial stock".

    The amount of time that task is going to take, as well as the time it is going to take for Pixoto staff to determine if the images are even eligible for stock (lack of model or property releases, etc.), should be spent policing the boards looking for miscategorized images -- there are legitimate problems on this site and instead of creating new work for staff, my opinion is that the staff should be spending their time fixing the issues that exist instead of taking on the task of something that should be done by the members. If someone wants their photos to sell then they should be willing to invest a little bit of their time to facilitate that. Is Pixoto also going to go through the top photos in each category assigning correct keywords etc? And if not, why not? Why would those members who choose Uncategorized get better treatment than the ones who actually took the time to choose a category?

    This whole thing just baffles me. If you want a no-stress, "fun" area, with no moderation whatsoever, then by all means create a free-for-all category and let folks go to town with it -- but there should be no awards and those images should not be in the Market. Leave the Market and the Awards to those with the "careful consideration".
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    • No worries :-) I can never quite get a handle on whether Pixoto wants to be known as a stock photography site like Shutterstock, for example, or a photo-sharing site, like Flickr. I think they want to be both but they offer neither the quality control of a stock site nor a customizable and rule-free experience like a sharing site. The competition aspect does make them stand out but there are too many miscategorized and watermarked images that negatively affect the duels before they are moved or deleted to regard that with any seriousness. That can be fixed, but the policing of the site needs to be taken over by staff members for that to happen. In my opinion anyway.... :-)
    • You're right!
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    Uncategorized category? Even the name is contradictory... I think it's a bad idea. If you don't have the time to categorize your images, then there's something wrong with the way you relate to your work. If Pixoto wants to offer the Market quality images, this is definitely not the way to do it.
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    Just another thought, by entering something in uncategorised some users could actually be removing the chances of getting an award that they may have got in the categorised.
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  • Maybe it's me but I can't see anything that is revoluntionary about this site.

    1. You have a voting system that doesn't work.

    2. You have so many images that are contravening someone else's copyright and despite being given a list of just a handful of them you still refuse to take them down.

    3. You have stock images mixed in with what can only be described as point and shoot family snaps and challenges which does nothing for the reputation of the site or the contributors.

    4. You have a canvas print service that is only accessible to people who live in the US which makes no business sense at all on a site that accepts contributors from all over the world and deprives contributors of possible revenue.

    5. Your target of $75 to be earnt before contributors can get paid is way to excessive and virtually unachievable unless you have 300 downloads, unrealistic and unfair.

    6. Now for some reason known only to you, you open a category that defies logic. I'm not sure which planet the Pixoto Team are on but maybe you would like to join us on earth for a while and make the site work.
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  • I had a laugh, I discovered someone with only two shots uploaded, one of which he put in uncategorised. -people would have fit the bill.
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  • What if i report those uncategorised images to put them in their proper category would the team do it? LOL
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  • I'm sure I read somewhere that kids can now have Pixoto accounts - and now this? Why don't we just have a free-for-all site where we can upload any crap from our phones and a shite load of selfies just for good measure? Pixoto has just gone from bad to worse.....
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    Jason, please give this a thought:
    You asked for feedback in one of the earlier contributrions to this discussion.
    well you got it (given all the feed back in this tread) and it's not positive.
    You als stated "that in order to make a revolutionary product you have to take chances and try things", This true in itself, but in the world of innovation the wrong way to go is "disruptive innovation”: trying to sell selling cheaper or poorer-quality product resulting in a destroying your market.
    Well you took the chance, tried something and it turned out to be a wrong choice (given all feed back).
    Might it not be time to reconsider the choice you made regarding "uncategorized" images to avoid destroying your own Pixioto market opportunities....
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    There have been many changes on here, some for the better, some for the worse, but I can honestly say this is the worst one ever! Please remove this "category" as soon as possible!!!
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    if people don't have the time for categorizing an image (which takes seconds) they aren't going to have time to vote properly either.. a bit worrying. And if people are going to be uploading hundreds or thousands (?!) of images at once they are most likely going to be voting blindly to get enough credits.. the voting seems off lately anyway this isn't going to help
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  • Thanks for all of your feedback. I'll give it until the middle of next week before analyzing results and make a decisions on whether this is helping or hurting.
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  • This is ok if it's a separate site or just a "sub" site of Pixoto. So there will be separate voting and credits earned, and a different badges for winners. It's like a choice of a softdrink where you can choose an original flavour or a lite flavor.
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