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what the hell pixoto. images paused the moment they are uploaded. fix this damned site already!

what the hell Pixoto! why are images being paused the moment of upload? fix this damn site already and do away with the duels. let people pick the photos they want. your algorithms are not working!
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  • do away with the dueling and let people vote the images they want. your system only benefits a few of THE SAME PEOPLE.
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  • this is a perpetual issue that you're not addressing. blatantly ignoring the chronic complainers. ha!
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  • Yeah, super frustrating. I am not claiming to be the world's greatest photographer, but it seems highly suspect that image after image of mine needs to be resubmitted a half dozen times, getting paused after the first 6 votes, losing 5 duels in a row, only to eventually go on to be well into the 600s. Part of this is not having a Pro account - because then I would have 100 duels and eventually it would even out, I think. But it seems pretty implausible that virtually every image I submit goes through this process, eating up my credits, before it gets an honest start.
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    • I have two images in this collection:

      http://www.scadmoa.org/art/exhibition...

      Donated by Shirrel L. Rhoades, the photographs on view include iconic examples from pioneering 19th-century practitioners and from major 20th-century photographers who wielded their cameras to capture images of arresting landscapes, richly textured narratives, elegant fashion scenes, singular still lifes and powerful portraits. Photographers include Brady, Nadar, Cartier-Bresson, Adams, Mapplethorpe, Weston, Cunningham and other celebrated masters.

      That plus $3.00 gets you a cup of coffee from Starbucks. LOL.

      Anyway, the majority of my images that I'm taking currently are of the photojournalist type with little thought of making them works of art.

      And,yes, Tom, I will never post one of those up here for a bunch of credit driven mouse clickers.
    • Pretty cool, love to see folks justly rewarded.
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    Fantastic and really helpful post Margie. Absolutely all I needed to know to abandon Pixoto for good.
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    • Hi Mr, MMP, I am talking about the water itself being fake, not someone who sprays real H2O water on their subjects. That is fine by me. I am talking about drops that are made of chemical substances other than water, If that is what you do then we will respectfully agree to disagree...
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    @redwar:
    "In order for you to acquire enough images into a specific
    category so that you win $150\ week you have to have enough followers
    willing to supply 7,500 images"

    "people like Carl Sieswono Purwanto followers 4197 not
    always because they like his work but because they have to supply
    enough images per week to support his needs to have enough images
    in that category so that he goes home with the $150 "

    I am simple-minded and naive but how do you really think this grand theory de facto works ???
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  • We never had case where image would be paused as soon as it was submitted, without any duels. Earliest image is paused when it has at least 6 duels, so we would appreciate link to image(s) that is paused prior to first 6 duels so we can check what the issue is.
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    • Hello Tim, since duels are now gained rather quickly images can get paused quickly too, but never before image has at least 6 duels.
    • You're STILL avoiding the main issues Jasenka. If you'd like me to put them more clearly for you I'd be happy to do so, but I'm fairly sure it would be a waste of my time, since I already know you've heard them many times before, and yet you just refuse to acknowledge them.
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    Jasenka - you know full well that the issues are MUCH bigger than that....my last two images were posted in Abstract/Fireworks, and were both paused after six duels. The fact that they were, within six duels, duelled against images in both cases that were reported for being incorrectly classified, just adds to the pain of dealing with the inequalities of your site. You reward, financially!, those who exploit the rules, much to the detriment of every 'normal' user. Until I hear from a reliable third party that you've got this in hand, I won't be uploading any more images to your site. That's a pity, because you had a great idea when you set up, but offering money for breaking the rules just screwed the whole thing up. Stop the rewards, and make any financial gain from the site SOLELY by means of sales of images in whatever form, and ALL the problems will go away. Who in their right mind would want to buy several thousand images of the same purple and yellow water lily.
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    As has been discussed ad nauseam, six duels is no where near enough to determine the likelihood of an image's success. If the average number of duels is 100, its only six percent. Its pretty darned easy to hit a string of voters who either don't pay attention or are voting up (or down) images, and have several losses in a row. I have two images right now at the top of the leader board which both had to be resubmitted at least once, and that's just today. I totally get that this is Pixoto's way of frustrating members into paying for Pro accounts, but if your mission is to have the best photos at the top of the board, its a total fail. Members here are constantly complaining about this. You might think at some point, you people would listen.
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    At the risk of self crucifixion, actually within 6 is possible. Allow me to explain.

    Please read before clicking the I hate you button.

    Below is a real time list of scores:

    A 0 to 1 gives you a score of roughly 14.
    A 1 to 0 gives you a score of roughly 44.
    A 1 to 1 gives you a score of roughly 56.
    A 3 to 2 gives you a score of roughly 144.
    A 3 to 3 gives you a score of roughly 151.
    A 4 to 4 gives you a score of roughly 191.
    A 5 to 4 gives you a score of roughly 223.

    A 0 to 1 gives you a score of roughly 14.
    A 0 to 2 gives you a score of roughly 27.
    A 0 to 3 gives you a score of roughly 36.
    A 1 to 4 gives you a score of roughly 87.
    A 3 to 7 gives you a score of roughly 169.

    A 1 to 1 gives you a score of roughly 55.
    A 1 to 2 gives you a score of roughly 66.
    A 1 to 3 gives you a score of roughly 76.
    A 1 to 4 gives you a score of roughly 83.
    A 2 to 4 gives you a score of roughly 122.
    A 3 to 6 gives you a score of roughly 163.
    A 3 to 7 gives you a score of roughly 166.

    Again these are real time stats. The last is of two pumpkins sitting on some straw.
    (Yeah, its got a pretty sour aroma.)

    If your image was to be a real stinker, it could possibly get 6 losses and 0 wins. II think I had at least one or two...LOL.

    But let me show you something:



    It says there were 6 duels. Yet there are two missing. Also, 2 of the four losses are again against wrong categories.

    Since similar images of the pumpkins have done much better, I have to assume, if I were one of the chosen, chances are, I would have a much better image score because all my friends would be voting for me.

    Furthermore, the loss score is being played with as it could be 13, 14 or 15. When you have 100 duels, a two point spread could easily add up to an award.

    Sorry, got a bit off track.

    Your images don't stop dueling at 100 duels. In fact, it takes two days and 200 duels to get up to the top. And, as I pointed out, already, there is a definite ratio to the top which is 2:5 : 1 And, you would have to have that ratio stay true all the way up to the top.

    What does that tell you?

    I know what it tells me. It tells me that the first 6 duels can, in fact, determine he fate of your image\s. It also tells me that this site is not a managed resource and that your images will never get a true, clean duel here without it.

    It also tells me that if you really want your images to soar to the top, have a friend create a contest that only you can win and then have all your friends vote for you.
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    Had an interesting one today - image score dropped ten points without receiving a duel at all. Same 11 duels, same win/loss ratio, score went down ten points. Can't explain that....
    • I saw the same thing happen but wanted to take a snap of it before and after.

      I think the original score was 397. Seconds later, it was down to 391. Didn't think it would be worth mentioning without proof.

      So, now that you brought it up, I'm honored to let you know you are not the only one.

      I think someone has built a program that knows how to change the scores.
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    As i already mentioned @redwar::

    " I am simple-minded and naive but how do you really think this grand theory de facto works ???"

    You argue that ...
    "In order for you to acquire enough images into a specific
    category so that you win $150\ week you have to have enough followers
    willing to supply 7,500 images" ..........
    and .....
    "people like Carl Sieswono Purwanto followers 4197 not
    always because they like his work but because they have to supply
    enough images per week to support his needs to have enough images
    in that category so that he goes home with the $150 "

    For example, I have 1500 Followers, so what can i do to motivate them to vote for my image in case it appears to them while voting?
    Do i sent the concerned photo asking every single follower to start voting in duels but always skip voting when my image is not dueling until my image appears in a duel, how offen will that happen? Otherwise one of the "supplyers" photo could settle the race???

    Now something to the paused images after 6 duels. Voters regulate this, if first 6 voters don`t like your photo (or you), then you will end up whith 1 win and 5 loses and an paused image that you could resubmit if you think it can do better!
    Is it fair? NO it is not, but, the same applies to all other submitters.
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  • Followers get notified when you've submitted images. So, if they do vote on images, they can easily vote for your images or against them.

    Fair dueling is not an option it is a responsibility of this site -- since the site was built on this concept -- to be fair, even and unbiased. If the site is unwilling to manage the resource, then someone will come along and they will do it right and Pixoto will become vaporoto.
    • True enough. I know some folks here can submit almost anything and have it get a monster score, because their hundreds of followers see it show up in their feed and know whose image it is.
    • That I also agree with but when you put up 60 images and almost all of them see 1 loss off the bat, it means that 120 images are involved or 60 of my images are dueling against each other.

      To be fair, most of the time when I do place 60 images into the hopper, they do duel each other and that's just the way it goes.

      I'd love to say it is bad management of resources but there's no management involved. Just a computer.

      30 seconds after the 50 image submission, the smoke clears and 20 images are done. Then, within 10 minutes, 3o more images are done. After 30 minutes, I have possibly 2 that could go beyond the 500s.

      After that, it is a wait until new images arrive and drive the scores back down.

      For me and I'm sure for hundreds of others, you feel like this place is more of a take your money and run than a place where where your images are valued as potential stock and, ultimately, make money taking pictures.
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  • Here's one for you.

    According to Pixoto:

    347,301,562 is the amount of duels.
    5,984,904 is the amount of images submitted
    58 is the total average amount of duels

    For each image to get 100 duels, it would require 598,490,400
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    • Hello Redwar, when image is resubmitted imageduel history will show all duels since image is first submitted (that means duels that image had before resubmitting will be also shown).
      Also when you check images, on imageduel history page, your image dueled with, scores will be as they are now, not as they were when images dueled each other. Meaning, other image could have 400 score when it dueled your image, but now, when you check imageduel history, that image can have 700 score. That doesn't mean that image had 700 score when it dueled your image.

      I hope this helps.
    • It does and it also shows something else you didn't mention.

      The cheaters.

      While going through my images that have gone up to top 20 or above, it is clear to me that my images are equal to and slightly above normal.

      So, when a less than normal image goes to between 600 and 700, then I know I can focus on that person and his\her following as being the reason why the score is wrong for that quality of image.

      When you have over 1000 images published, you can pretty much tell what works and what doesn't. When I see an image that shouldn't even come close to an equal or above image, I will start looking at the images he\she has submitted and I can assure you that I will let you know the photographer has images that have been pushed by popularity and not image quality.
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