Is Prezi ADA/508 compliant?

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Is Prezi ADA/508 compliant? Does it work with screen readers? If there is audio, can caption be possible?
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Janos Hardi

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Hi,

The Prezi application is not 508 compliant since flash based apps rarely fully accessible in this sense. Unfortunately screen readers cannot go deep inside a flash application.

However, we are working hard to make the Prezi website fully 508 compliant. For example we are experimenting with a nice transcript outline for presentations to let our users get a clue what is inside the presentation.

Do you have ideas on how to make our application more accessible?

Thanks for popping up this question,

Janos
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Debbie Rhodes

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Can you offer any timeline?
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Sarah Lewthwaite

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OK: here are some ideas for helping Prezi better cater to disabled users.

1. Show that you've at least considered accessibility! Provide an overview of accessibility issues up front so users do not have to keep asking individually what works and what doesn't, is it compliant isn't it etc. Multiple questions are listed here, all asking for information that should be readily available rather than spread across a comments board. Everybody wants to give their audience the best possible experience, this site appears to blank concerns about access, this doesn't reflect well on Prezi as a company.

2. Undertake a collaborative accessibility audit of the software with disabled people, perhaps an organisation like abilitynet or the RNIB who can actually tell you what Prezi's limits and affordances are with strategies to improve, rather than trying to crowd source tips. At the moment http://www.web2access.org.uk/ offers the best information on Prezi's limits and strengths. You need to follow this up - or at least signpost it.

3. You could set out - as Debbie recommends - a timeline or any kind of strategy for addressing the access limits of prezi.

4. Where limits can't be addressed (and at the moment, nothing you say tells me that you know what the limits are, or even care) You could identify technologies that Prezi can be used in conjunction with to ensure accessibility, offering ways to combine products, or delivery methods that work for everyone. You could also draw together some 'how to' presentations on supplying voice over, captioning etc.

It may not be possible for Prezi to cater for all, in which case we need the information as users to make our own judgements about way to suppliment use, work arounds, hacks etc. At this point we can begin sharing expertise, but not before. Your move.
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Yes, I'm interested in learning more about the transcript outlines. In the meantime, transcript-formatting suggestions would be greatly appreciated, so that I don't need to move to an alternate presentation format altogether.
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Jim McCusker

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One thing hat could go a long way: in exported PDFs, have the text be text, not rendered bitmaps. I gave a prezi at a government meeting, and afterwords I was expected to post the slides, but the PDF slides exported by prezi had no text in them, even though the prezi was entirely text-based.
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@Janos, @Sarah: I can wholeheartedly recommend working with AbilityNet to better include as many users as is reasonably possible.

Here's the report for Prezi: http://www.web2access.org.uk/product/172
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Sarah Lewthwaite

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Rik, have you read my comment? You ask for ideas - i've supplied some for meant for prezi, not prezi users. Is this meant to be a response? All you've done is repeat my thoughts back to me. This is not an answer. Are you going to act on, or respond to any of my, and other commenters, concerns?
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Rik Williams

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Hi Sarah,

I wanted to reference and support your comments and ideas for Prezi and provide a direct link to the resource you mentioned for other users of this thread. I'm sorry that this has upset you.

Best wishes,

Rik
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Rik - thank you for being an active user here and participating in the discussion.

Sarah - Rik is a fellow user so he cannot act on anything. I understand your frustration - we have noted your detailed ideas above. We get hundreds of ideas for features from our users each day. We are a small startup and we are scrambling to deliver what we can each month. We release new features regularly- based on the number of requests by users and the urgency.
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Rik - I'm so sorry, I got my wires crossed and assumed you were responding on behalf of Prezi. Please accept my apologies for any antagonism. It's great that you linked to the Web2Access resource directly. Once again, sorry!

Angelie - Thank you for clarifying Prezi's position, and also highlighting my misunderstanding. Thank you also for your frankness. I appreciate the demands on your company at a critical stage, but please do consider accessibility an 'urgent' at least equivalent to other usability issues. You mention numbers, please beware of basing accessibility activity on numbers of requests. There are a lot of plain reasons why attending to this makes good business and ethical sense. As stated before, there are also various ways to come at accessibility, and many offer quick wins for all.
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"UNIVERSAL DESIGN: The design of products and environments to be usable by all people, to the greatest extent possible, without the need for adaptation or specialized design."

http://www.ncsu.edu/www/ncsu/design/s...

-Don
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Jim McCusker

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I give a number of presentations at various government meetings but am restricted from using Prezi for these because of the lack of 508 compliance. AT LEAST make the downloaded PDFs 508 compliant by exporting text as text, rather than as rasterized graphics.
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Just to clarify, Section 508 is NOT a part of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). the ADA applies to state and local government and to private industry. Section 508 is part of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, which applies to the Federal government. Currently, and since 2001, 508 applies only to Federally-conducted programs.
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You are correct that 508 is separate from the ADA. The 508 requirement means that anyone who is under contract with, selling to, or works for federal agencies may not be able to use Prezi unless suitable alternatives are made available. There are workarounds to this, but that adds to the time and cost of the project. Your comment about the ADA and state government must be qualified with the point that since many states are now starting to adopt 508 guidelines, Section 508's impact is extending beyond the federal government.
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Still, this is a great resource, but if we can't use it with our blind and deaf students, then we can't use the program at all. Please help!
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Angelie

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I noticed that you posted in another thread, but I will just respond here. As we've tried to mention before, we completely understand that some universities and institutions are limited from using Prezi since it is Flash-based and screen readers cannot read text embedded in the Flash. But, there is no way I would feel good about promising a solution is on the way because this would require changing the platform on which Prezi is programmed. We are absolutely open to workarounds - but what else can we do? We're open to suggestions - really.

We have worked with a visually impaired speaker to embed sound cues in her prezi and she gave a very successful talk at TED.

I actually am making this post with alot of hesitation because I have been berated and trashed on this forum by pro-ADA compliance users - and they have even complained to my manager about my responses which were always direct and honest - i refuse to promise what we can't deliver. Still, I care about our users and that's why I'm posting here. Sadly, I wish more users would just understand that badmouthing and cursing at me will not make the changes happen any faster.... :(
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Jay Wyant

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Rik,

I am sorry you have been slammed by some users on other threads, but the tone on this thread appears to me to be mostly respectful and professional, with lots of good suggestions.

About where to go from here regarding workarounds: the forum begins with Janos Hardi's comments regarding a transcript. That comment was posted a year ago. Has there been any progress on this project? If Prezi creators can generate a text transcript that follows the presentation's path order, that will go a long way to addressing (though not completely satisfying) our 508 concerns.
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Agreed. By taking advantage of the information as it is input to create a "map" for comprehension and navigation seems like a reasonable solution.

Why not ask for a bit of extra information as things are added to the Prezi? (i.e., an alt-txt description for images, documents, and youtubes), ask for names for frames, and generate some "auto-descriptions" of the actions of the paths (i.e., zoom to the left to YouTube titled X). With this small amount of information you can create a "text" that "audio describes" the basic structure of the Prezi. Or in other words, describes what is Prezi about a presentation. The documents that are uploaded could also be accessed as an option. All you need is given to you by the user. You just have to think of some options for displaying that same information.

It can be done. See VoiceThread Universal for some ideas. But also notice that your other online design colleagues are proudly taking on this challenge, because quite frankly accessibility and flexibility are the future of digital media. Even the big publishers now get it. Get on now or get left behind.

-Don Glass
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I'm reviewing these comments from 1-2 years ago. It's now May 2012. Have any actions been taken to make PDFs generated from Prezi accessible?

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