Showing Objects after a delay

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While presenting, I want the audience to follow my line of thought. I often use a drawing board just for that. People are curious to find out what other stuff I am going to draw. It tremendously helps to keep their attention. The story I tell and the image that appears build up in parallel. The final picture alone, is far less powerful than the story that leads up to it .

The story is what I want them to remember.
The drawing sequence is helping them to remember it.
They remember the final image much better when they see it being build up.

The zooming features of Prezi help big way to focus on, and to get an understanding of parts of the whole. But seeing the whole picture being build up, is what makes them remember it.
This building up of the mental image can not be done by zooming around.

For this reason, I would be very obliged if you would consider to incorporate 'Appearing Objects' in Prezi. It might be done in the following way:
- In the details of a 'path element' you may define objects to appear one by one, in intervals like the path timing intervals.
- The order in which the objects appear, may be defined in a similar way as defining a path is done right now. (perhaps using different coloring, or dotted lines)
- You can access to this feature when you are defining or viewing a path. Whenever an frame is used as a path element and this 'path element' is clicked, a control appears to help you set the order and timing of elements in the current frame.
- 'Path elements' may be in the path twice. When a path element is shown for the second time, all elements are visible. (the audience has already seen them anyway, or alternatively, when designing the presentation, you may create another instance of the 'appearing image')
- Objects are all types of objects that are there (text, lines, images, movies)
- Objects that are not assigned to appear in a certain order, will be visible right away.

Kind regards,
Keep up the good work
Huug Lamberts
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Dear Huug,

Thanks a lot for this idea. I will forward it to our design team.

Best,
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Dear Huug,

very good points, thank you - and I totally agree with you, experiencing how ideas develop helps tremendously!

We have something cooking about this now - you'll see a release in the coming days about changing themes within a Prezi. We used a transition effect there, which will serve as a technological ground for 'revealing' steps in the path.

We'll post prototypes once they are working, and would be fantastic to get your feedback, or even an example prezi with that

Best wishes,
Adam
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Huug Lamberts

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Hi Adam, Zoli,
Thanks for considering the idea,
I'll come up with a example of what I would like to do with it.
regads,
Huug
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A simple way to permit some of this would be to support animated gif images that advance to the next image when the prezi path advances.
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how about allowing images/frame to appear similarly to the way transitions in ppt animations are working
this could be done with parameters in the path: frame is either visible from begining of presentation or appears when this step in the path is reached.

as LLinx said, it would be great to add information on top of an existing image/scheme

timing can be another parameter of the step
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Hi, I'm new to Prezi and am wondering if the timed appearance of objects along the path has been implemented yet. I see it was discussed a year ago.
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Silva, Champion

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Please add this feature. Lack of these feature is what forces me to use PPT instead of prezi, many times.
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grantanderton

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I would also love this feature, I think it is necessary to make great presentations.
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plot-paris

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this feature would indeed make Prezi more powerful than it already is... and take away the last advantage PowerPoint still has ;-)
I really hope you will be able to implement it soon (it will be sorely needed in a not too distant future).

on a more technical note:
to make these "reveals" of objects visually stand out among normal steps in a presentation you could simply give them a different colour coding (e.g. orange path segment instead of blue one). I also would suggest to give them a different kind of numbering, like float numbers. so a "reveal" of an object within frame 2 would be labeled 2.1 in the path. the next "reveal" within the same frame hence 2.2
a reveal in the next (the third) frame would be labeled 3.1 ...
does that make sense?
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it will also reduce motion sickness!
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That is exactly what I am needing right now! I must show/change things in a particular frame. I was thinking in insert some kind of flash animation to do the changes, but I didn't find a way other than looping animations (I need a "one way" animation for that).
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Hi Leandro,

It would be really helpful for us to understand how you'd like to use this feature. Do you have an example prezi or a story you could show?

Best
peter
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Hi Peter,
Zooming is great, really powerful.
it helps very much in understanding the relative position of the elements, to pu them in perspective. just super.

but

Zooming is visually too powerful to use all the time.
I would not use it more than 10 to 15 in a presentation. That means I ask the audience to change perspective 10 to 15 times. That is already quite a lot.

an example: (of one part of the presentation, one perspective)
1/ suppose I want to show a graph.
2/ then point out the main points
3/ then add a second graph
4/ finally point out a similarity between the two

Zooming would only confuse people here.
I need the axes of the graph as a stable reference for my audience, when 2/, 3/ and 4/ to appear, while I tell the story.

It is not only with graphs, but almost any drawing is much better understood when it is introduced step by step. Now you get at least some attention for each part of the story.

Cheers
Huug
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I think motion sickness, especially for people who don't have the skills to create embedded flash objects, could be pretty much removed with keeping zooming to ..
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Peter Arvai, CEO and founder

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love that example! Do you have more?
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It bothers me that this feature hasn't been implemented yet. It also bothers me that Prezi employees are still seeking out good reasons for why this feature should be in place ... this makes me think that they don't have a fundamental understanding of real world presentation needs.
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Peter, The ability to manipulate objects on events is pretty fundamental. I want to use Prezi for a really important presentation coming up and not having the ability to manipulate objects inside the presentation is a problem. Here's an example

Huugs example is a good one and there are literally thousands of other examples where a object manipulation is important. For example-I want to show a time progression where as i talk more of the object is revealed - this is simple if i can manipulate objects on within the flow but impossible currently.

I agree with Ian that after a year of asking you should have the basic idea now - it might be better to either do it or not... or perhaps post your idea of how the feature will work for comment/discussion?

David
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I totally agree, that this is one very important feature. Triggering object-visibility / animations at specific points is dearly needed. At the moment Prezi only offers a presentation as one big poster. That is a beautiful way to present things. But you can not properly show objects over time. And this dimension is of vital importance in many circumstaces!
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Hi Guys,

This will probably disappoint you but we have a policy of not commenting what we are working on that I intend to keep.

Why?

Firstly, it is often impossible to know the quality of a solution until it is ready. Our iPad app was the 3rd attempt at making it good. The first two could not handle the zooming nature of Prezi only the 3rd could. Even so, we still had to work hard to fix unexpected memory leaks in the iPad after the launch.

Secondly, technical development is very hard to predict. Infinite amount of literature is spent on describing how companies can/should organize their product development but the truth is that no company can reliably predict projects that usually last several months.

So rather then speculating on possible future events we focus on the good news upon releasing a new feature.

This creates dilemma: we like to staying in touch with our community at the same time as you get frustrated when we don't comment on future developments. On the other hand, making promises that we could not keep (regardless of if it is our or other technologies' fault) would only get you more disappointed.

This is the reason behind the policy.

Finally let me tell you about our guiding goal. Everyone at Prezi is working to help people share ideas. We also believe that idea sharing is not limited to particular technologies or platforms. Whether we're working on animations at moment or not I cannot comment, but let me assure you we're working very hard to deliver new features and there are more coming your way!
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I like the secrecy policy, but I'd recommend a few changes: When the feature is ready, instead of releasing it immediately, make an announcement, wait a couple of weeks, and then release it.
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Just wondering exactly how long your gonna keep us in the dark about android. You blew power point out of the water, that was until it landed in the lake called "does not work on my Samsung tablet." Boo. Stuck on a stupid laptop. I thought Prezi was the future? Yet here I am trying to make do with what I have, which is a sad attempt at meeting the needs of ALL your consumers. Now I get that ipad users pay, but man I WOULD PAY!!! Please i'm a student who gives presentations a boat load each term. You say you consider ideas, I say you should go further and manifest those ideas into products I can pay you for. Please, i'll beg if you'd like :)
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I'm SOO onboard with that... you BET -- I'd pay, too! Come'on Prezi... we're SOOOO waiting for this... and appears from these posts have been waiting a REALLY long time!
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Yes do make it. Apple doesn't support Flash.I suppose that it is easier to make an app which uses flash. Do make it. Please. Android market is coming up. You guys have a a great chance there. It is my plea and do take this into consideration.
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Yes do make it. Apple doesn't support Flash.I suppose that it is easier to make an app which uses flash. Do make it. Please. Android market is coming up. You guys have a a great chance there. It is my plea and do take this into consideration.
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Hi Peter,
its good news, that you are working on new features. And I do understand that a company has to stick to its information policy.
It is difficult though for us users to keep voicing ideas and suggestions - without any information whether you guys are actually using them. Especially when some of the suggestions, like the one in this thread, have been asked for for more than a year.

Maybe it would be a good idea for the prezi team to publish some kind of road-map, so we can see what you are working on. no need for any publishing dates. just nowing if our wishes are being addressed would be very comforting.
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Can I ask your opinion about a possible solution?
Let's imaging that when you edit, create the path, you get some alternatives (beyond zooming, the default we have today)

- Zoom to next path point
- Fade to next path point
- Reveal object under next path point without zooming
- Hide object under next path point without zooming

So any object, that has a path point 'reveal' on them would not be visible when you start showing the prezi, only after you got there.

I feel that a mixture of zooming and revealing might be quite useful - like the example of the graph above, you reveal the 2nd graph, than you zoom into where they cross, zoom out again to show the axis, reveal a 3rd graph without zooming.

(reveal would probably mean something like 3 sec fade. no swirl, no movement, etc)

what do you think? would this be good for the situations you describe?
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Adam - Please implement this!!!
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Yes yes yes. Do this!
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I love the roadmap idea. We are all grown ups who love Prezi, and we can only imagine how hard it is to get this brilliant product one every platform. My own interest in an Android version is because (unlike the iPad) I have video out on my tablet and could use this for all my presentations rather than lug my laptop around. My thought is that a player would be the way to go - authoring can be done on ordinary computers.
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Even better than what I had in mind when I posted "Surprise Endings!" Sorry I hadn't seen this thread before.
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that sounds fantastic, Adam.
I allways thought of zooms and reveal as two different things. But your way of regarding a zoom or a fade or a reveal as equal actions along a path... thats a really great way of thinking about it.
It keeps things very simple!

One could even imagine indicating which option has been asigned to a path-point (eihter by colour or style).

One thing bugs me though: what if I want to reveal and zoom at the same time?
Or what if I want to reveal several objects at the same time?

I can think of two ways to achieve this:

1. You can link certain path-points to each other. So you create the zoom-point first. Then you create one or several reveal-points. And finally you drag these reveal-points onto the zoom-point (they arrange themselves around the zoom-point in a circular fashion).

2. You can define whether a path-point is triggered by pressing a button, automatically after the last path-point or automatically with the last path-point.
In order to change the settings of a path-point, you could press and hold the left mouse-button on creation/edditing to bring up a context menu where you can define the path-points behavior (when it is triggered and what kind of animation it is).

what do you think?
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I agree this would be a great feature - you should do it. I also think multipaths or real-time path choice is important (and different)
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Hi Adam,
Your idea is very interesting, Very elegant in design mode. I can't see all the implications yet, but it sounds like the right way to do it.

I agree with plot-paris that usually you want to show some initial stuff (eg.: the title of the graph and the axes).
Also, you may want to reveal more than one element at the same time (eg: a graph, a comment on that graph and an arrow)

Some way of grouping path-points would solve that I guess.
(But I would be still be happy without them. I can do a few extra clicks during a presentation, to have the same effect)

Huug
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Related to "reveal more than one element at the same time"... this could work in conjunction with permanent grouping of items (another highly desired feature).
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Adam,

I think this would solve many of the challenges or shall we say limitations for presenting a more involved topic. However, I think adding an automatic timer to the path point will also be important. I don't want to constantly click forward to get to the right sequence of reveal, but more importantly I don't want to have to train my sales team or others to do it. With these reveal options, I would want some of them to be automatic such that a whole sequence will occur as the presenter then starts talking after it has completed.
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@Adam

- Just revealing the object (fading in) is perfect for what I need.
- Being able to set the transition-time would be appreciated
- I would leave out all the other transitions; I would not use them. (box in, checkerboard, fly in, swirl, etc. etc.). They are only distracting.

Huug
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true. all the fancy transition options are unnecessary.
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I suppose it could be working like this:

- When zooming manually (panning by dragging the mouse) to the area, would show all the content.
(really useful during a presentation - immediate overview of has been shown before)

- When clicking on an element would do the same as going there using the path. So now some content might still be hidden. clicking will resume the path.
(also very useful - explain it again, even when you have shown it before)

- clicking on an element that is set as: 'reveal without zooming' would use the zooming settings of the previous path-point (recursive: the last zooming setting that can be used in the path) and reveal all the path-point up to the one that was clicked.

Huug

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