Path-Speed

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It would be great if the path-function would allow users to set the speed in which a specific path-point will be accesed.
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Good idea. I love it. Do you have any idea how the interface should look for this?

peter
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I would like to be able to zoom into images but not have them fill the screen when I do. Maybe I ammissing something...
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I would like to be able to zoom into images but not have them fill the screen when I do. Maybe I am missing something...
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Nancy, you seem to be in the wrong topic? But anyway, the way you'd do this is to just put an invisible frame around your picture. Make the frame bigger than the picture, and zoom to the frame instead of the picture. In this way, the picture will not fill the whole screen.
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Peter those comments are 2 years old!!!!!

Are you still there?
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Agreed. This seems like an obvious tool and I was shocked not to find it.
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Hmmmm...
1) There could be something like a pop-up-menu when you select a point of the path
2) The zebra could be used.
a) only the scaling function would be used
b) the full zebra: you would then be able to move this point arround to any point of the presentation (i would love that feature ;) ) using the scale option would do the speed adjustment and using the rotating function would allow the user to adjust the angle in which the object would be shown (if not used prezi will keep the auto-turn-function active, which would give users an extra amount of freedom ;) )

Just some ideas.... :)
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the "zebra"??? O.o
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Adam [founder], founder

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We nice ideas!!
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The effect is not good if the transitions are too fast. !! I'm doing one now where the slides are close and because of that it doesn't have the effect I would like for it to have due to the fast transition... :(
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Hi Kenneth,

You might find this tutorial video on Prezi transitions helpful. It shows how you can play around with distancing and positioning your content in order to achieve different transitions in your prezi.
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Yes - this is an absolue must. Some of the zooms are far too fast and it becomes difficult to see exactly where you've just zoomed from - especially if you are following a path from a small object to a big one.
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I agree totally with this. In fact I had an idea to put some poignant text quotes along a path so that the audience has a chance to "glance" them as I move from point to point. Problem is that the path moves to quickly for it to work.

I would have the interface simple like the rest of prezi. Set path speed. 1/4 speed, 1/2 speed, Normal X- 2 - and "blink" (blink being instant)
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.I would suggest

1. use a left click menu (but this is bad for tabletsa)
2. multi timing options: user defined a timing preset for a view, varing from a preset time for that viiew, to the time it takes a clip to end; not alloing a shared presentation to step out of the automatic mode, if that is the option of the creator.
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I think this idea should go on with the other, that the path of the cam can be edited and the camera drives over special things.

Also there should be the possibility to change the accelleration of the cam. This would be a good element to control the dramaturgy of elements (first slow fly over a object and getting faster with a abrupt stop over something)
Particle illusion and Premiere uses option areas for such things that looks like a parabola.

But this would getting too complex for prezi.
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Perhaps the Prezi team could take a page from Newtek's Lightwave.
In that 3D app, there is a Modeler and a Layout program. In Modeler you build your 3D shapes, in Layout you assign motion paths and camera angles.

In a Prezi Modeler you'd build your presentation, text, frames, photos, etc. In a Prezi Layout you'd have your motion path, zoom, etc.

If you divided Prezi into these two core functions you'd be able to add more features to each without over complicating the menu system (the simplicity of which I think is what we all love).
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Just brainstorming with myself. Maybe there could be 3 modes. Modeler (or build mode), Layout (timing, motion and zoom) and finally presentation mode (show), with a split screen for the audience and presenter? I know it sounds complex, but by dividing the functions each individual mode would remain clean and uncluttered.
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I agree, but then there should be also a fourth mode:
Automatic presentation, with a possibility to attach speech. Only in this 4th mode a (path-) timing-menu should appear.
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The reason I looked in on this chat was to find out if the Auto-Present idea was out there. Hhmm, seven months ago . . .I wonder if the idea will gain momentum?
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think this is the right place:

it should be directly by the path, becouse you have to optimise
the paths one by one. maybe something like this:
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can't believe that you haven't addressed this...
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Path speed is important.  Prezi can cause serious dizziness to the audience.
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hmm...maybe the accellerations also with an zebra!?

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yeah, this is a good extension of my idea! like this simple way-
would be great to know the roadmap of the big update!
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What about using the speed bit on the path to dictate how quickly the camera moves from point to point and using a zebra like tool on the node to dictate how long the prezi stays on that point? That could be used if you have a show that doesn't require a presentation that people can just press the automate button and watch. But I guess at that point you might as well make a movie. Hmm...
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What about using the speed bit on the path to dictate how quickly the camera moves from point to point and using a zebra like tool on the node to dictate how long the prezi stays on that point? That could be used if you have a show that doesn't require a presentation that people can just press the automate button and watch. But I guess at that point you might as well make a movie. Hmm...
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this is GREAT
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How is it possible that the founder commented on this five years ago saying it is a great idea but you still can not use it on prezi?

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It would be great if you could just freehand draw the path, that way you could do a controlled fly by.

To control the speed and height of the path how about a record button. When you click record your mouse movement would fly the camera. Up and down could be maped to the path height, left and right would be maped to path speed.
This would give lots of controlover the camera.

Also the hight and speed of the path could be graphed right along the path as seen in purple and brown.
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How about tweening like flash?
You give 3 points with zoomed in and out and the smoothness makes prezi!

This would be easier, I think!
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THIS is AWESOME - doesn't anyone from PREZI get that. path speed needs to be adjusted!!!
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There are several variables to be controlled.

* The two end points of a path segment (all we can specify now)
* The changing position along the path (which defaults to a straight line?)
* The speed and change of speed along the path (some kind of S-curve)
* The change of zoom (by default it zooms out a ways, and then back in)
* The change of rotation (by default, it seems very uniform throughout)
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Not to get off-track, but at some point it would also be nice to have the option of creating paths with a bézier curve. The reason I mention it here is that it fits with the spirit of the conversation: better control (and more creative control) over the path function.
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I can confirm that bezier curves would be better than free hand, in fact thats how I drew the curved path in the pic above. Free hand plus a real time auto smoothing would be simpler.
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But will John Doe understand that?

Because there are people having problems with the notepad! ;-)
What will they do with a bezier.....
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Good point chromax. I'm familiar with bézier curves because I work in programs like Corel Draw and Adobe Illustrator (among other things). Your average Joe may have some difficulty with it. Rylan is probably right that a free hand with auto smoothing would be simpler. I'd just be concerned that if you wanted to get something "just so", freehand could be frustrating (unless you have a Wacom tablet interface....which most don't)....in any case, the ability to curve a path is the end desire, so however its arrived at is better than not at all.
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Is there a log of the improvements / feature upgrades as they are implemented? - e.g. I noticed that AS3 code is now being supported ( I can now control swf clips).

The speed control is a really fundamental requirement (easing would rock, too!) to build less vertigo inducing transitions for a really slick, polished presentation.

Such an exciting paradigm shift in presentations! Keep up the great work!
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well since prezi's tools are simple the speed should be too, why not just have colored paths represent the path speed, red is max speed, green is medium, violet is slowest and all inbetween.

this could be controlled by the scrolly mouse wheel while mouse overing the path or when picking the path tool.

I think that would be easiest since you can clearly see path speed due to the colors.
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I see your point, but I still think Till and Chromax have it right. If each leg of the path has a speed indicator slider (as illustrated above), that would be an elegant and easy way to set the speed. I suppose cycling through multiple path colors could be as simple, but I'm not sure that I see how.

Also Till and Chromax's examples clearly indicate that it would be very easy to make minute adjustments without having to have a mouse wheel (think Mac users). Besides I don't think "seeing" the color of the path (as representative of speed) is all that useful. The "right" speed of any one path segment is going to have to be determined by walking through the presentation, and making adjustments based on the "feel" of it.
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It would be FANTASTIC and VERY SIMPLE if one of the speed settings was "instant", so that people went from point to the next point with no panning effect. This would be just like going from one powerpoint slide to another.

With this one feature, we could combine both prezi style zooming and powerpoint linear slides, all in one presentation. There are times when separate slides is a good thing (and it's faster and simpler to design), and other times when zooming is really helpful.
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Jonathan

I think this would add so much too
Should we think a little further on this? Let's look at this from other other end. You want slideshow, or multiple pages.

Let's assume we have a simple mean to set a path-step instant.

Next issue to solve: Should there be a difference between editing view and presentation view?

Let's assume we have 5 images, and we want an instant 'slide' like change.

One option:
In presentation view, when you zoom out, we would only show the first one in prezi, and when you arrive there with the path, or start clicking on it, it shows the images one after the other.

However, while editing, you would probably want to keep the simplicity of just having them 'on your desk', next to each other, and just use the path tool to set its presentation time behavior.

Of course this means there will be places in your prezi, which will look full when in editing mode, and empty when in presentation mode.

Or:
Keep it as it is, we don't change layout, its simpler, and all we talk about is transition time. If you zoom out, you would see all again. (I prefer this myself)

Adam
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I think keep it simple, your second option. If you don't want the last 4 images to be to be viewable when you zoom out, then you can always just park them a very long way away "off the edge" of your main presentation view. It would be nice to have them next to the first image, but not at all important.
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I think if you go back to Till and Chromax's illustrated suggestion, it can accomodate an "instant" speed. Somewhat like a jump. If you make the path fast enough, it will look instant (or I'd assume so).
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Another aspect I would like to add here:

There are TWO kinds of speeds / time aspect one could consider in this discussion.

One is transition speed or behavior

Second is auto-play delay. If we can set 'hold time' at each stop, this would allow us to create quite good auto-play prezi stories, almost like movies.

What do you think?
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Somebody at our company was asking about this - if autoplay could be varied stop by stop. Personally, I don't really feel the need for autoplay at all, so can't comment about it's usefulness.
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Autoplay isn't very useful for a traditional "stand in the room" presentation, but if you posted your Prezi on a website, Autoplay has got some value.
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or for display systems.
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The current too high transition speed is currently a showstopper preventing us using prezi for our e-learning presentations. Delay between transitions is secondary to me and it would probably be sad that discussing it delays the implementation of transition speed.
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This was brought up quite some time ago and I'm wondering if the speed option is actively being worked on?
Currently, the zooms are so fast that they are quite off-putting (I'm zooming in from big image to very small). I'd rather not abandon production of this presentation in prezi but I can't imagine it will be approved as is.
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Good question. We have been discussing this for a long time. I would be interested in knowing if this is actively in development and whether or not the crew could give us an ETA (plus or minus a couple months) on deployment (if it is indeed, in development)
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This is one of the best examples of applied co-creation on the net today. Only this is a mayor incentive to put this improvement in practice: you'll get massive free-publicity if you market it right!
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Hi kraker,
Still feeling enthusiastic ?
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Well, are you guys going to do anything about this? This is a good tool with a novel approach to content presentation. YOU shouldn't assume it will remain the only choice in the market though.